Match Discussion: Round 18 vs Bulldogs @ Belmore Sports Ground

[slotmachine]

We have got massive value out of Pete. Sione has been important for us even if he hasn't lit the world on fire like we thought. Pat and Chanel - zero value.

Only referring to the three Matautia "value" pack.

 

[PhilGould]

Is it serious for Sione????

Broken hand????

He's in my fantasy team!!!!

No one cares about your fantasy team

 

[Rabbits20]

No one cares about your fantasy team

I didn't come in here for trouble but you seem to be looking for it......

 

[Noname36]

Interesting question. How would it look now if we had have let the Dogs take the Matuatias for both clubs 3 years ago when we toppwd their offer?

I've never rated Chanel or Pat but then on the other hand Sione is probably close to our best player so I go back and forth on whether it was a good deal or not. I'm obviously happy we kept them for Sione however I don't like the fact that Chanel and Pat probably got higher contracts than they deserve off their brother's back. Nepotism is never truely dead at the Knights.


I think I'm in a minority on this forum but I dont rate Lamb much. I'm not basing that on his late screw ups today at all FTR. Although his kicking game shows promise the rest of his game is severely lacking at the moment. I know he's young but most other young halves coming into the NRL have shown much more well rounded skill sets.

 

[slotmachine]

I'd like to see lamb play in a team that's playing OK before writing him off. Our forwards are an embarrassment.

As for siones value, he had a poor 2015 getting shuffled all over the place, was ordinary at centre in 2016 but finished strongly when moved to second row and been in a weird funk in 2017. Still don't know where he ends up in the future.

 

[Alex28]

I didn't come in here for trouble but you seem to be looking for it......

If Sione is in your fantasy team you aren't going to last long in the finals any way. Time to go and let us grieve...

 

[Johns Magic]

I'd like to see lamb play in a team that's playing OK before writing him off. Our forwards are an embarrassment.

As for siones value, he had a poor 2015 getting shuffled all over the place, was ordinary at centre in 2016 but finished strongly when moved to second row and been in a weird funk in 2017. Still don't know where he ends up in the future.

Yeah Sione shows touches of class in the back-row but his lack of metres and impact with the ball is starting to become concerning to me.

As with you I'm not sure where he ends up.

 

[Swarzey]

I know he's young but most other young halves coming into the NRL have shown much more well rounded skill sets.

Don't think Lamb has had the opportunity to showcase what he can really do. I agree there's some young halves who are showing more positive signs than Lamb but he hasn't exactly had the luxury of playing behind a forward pack that are on top consistently or surrounded by players who aren't at his own stage of development.

Reality is we have a 20 year old with still under a season of FG games trying to steer around a side with similar levels of experience at the top level. Not too many young halves would be doing any better.

 

[slotmachine]

Earlier this year I thought lamb was going as good Nathan Cleary.

He's dropped off now but that's too be expected getting flogged every week.

 

[Alex28]

Might do all you super knights fans to go back on this thread to 4pm and read what you have said. I thought the boys all played hard, tried guts out, went really close, the knocking of Pete who had a very good game was disappointing and I bleed for Lamb who was put in a terrible position of having to salvage a draw for extra time, not a win.
Today I was bitterly disappointed by the loss, thought we had the win, but I am now feeling for our players, especially the young ones, not merkins but knights.

Probably the smartest thing said in here this afternoon. A bunch of kids - most of which have well under 50 games played - took it to a team that they had no business even competing with. They are still learning and developing. They had no luck at the end - and Brock will learn from it and make better decisions in the future.

The other smart thing said here today was by JM - when we get success - and we aren't that far off with a few quality experienced players around them - we will have earned it.

 

[Hardcore_Fan]

The thing is, we won't get success. We are a club destined for repeat failure.

 

[Noname36]

Yeah Sione shows touches of class in the back-row but his lack of metres and impact with the ball is starting to become concerning to me.

As with you I'm not sure where he ends up.

Issue with Sione is that he's not going to be a metre-eating forward - at least not now, he's only just been moved to the forwards from centre. He's an edge player but we don't really set up any plays to utilise edge runners, let alone into anything resembling a gap. Our forwards are mostly just used for one out hitups back up the middle at the moment (not surprising with our halves issue) and Sione isn't really built for that. Similar with Barnett.

 

[PhilGould]

Sione was running good lines off Lamb on that left and they seemed to be building a nice combination. Also I think that's where Lamb himself was playing his best. Now Lamb's been moved back to the right side to make way for Hodkinson.

 

[Alex28]

The thing is, we won't get success. We are a club destined for repeat failure.

You are one of a few that won't deserve to bask in the success when it arrives.

Woe is f**king me.

 

[Glendale]

Sione was running good lines off Lamb on that left and they seemed to be building a nice combination. Also I think that's where Lamb himself was playing his best. Now Lamb's been moved back to the right side to make way for Hodkinson.

I have noticed throughout the year that Lamb doesn't seem to be comfortable passing left to right. Early in the year Gagai was getting starved of the ball. He has looked much better when played on the left.

 

[Noname36]

Don't think Lamb has had the opportunity to showcase what he can really do. I agree there's some young halves who are showing more positive signs than Lamb but he hasn't exactly had the luxury of playing behind a forward pack that are on top consistently or surrounded by players who aren't at his own stage of development.

Reality is we have a 20 year old with still under a season of FG games trying to steer around a side with similar levels of experience at the top level. Not too many young halves would be doing any better.

I agree it would certainly help him to be in a better team - however even accounting for that you can still see that his game is severely lacking. Mullen for example always played behind shit forward packs but you could at least see that he could pass, kick and run even if he couldn't use them consistently. Lamb is really struggling with his passing game and he's too slow to ever put the defence in two minds.

 

[Hardcore_Fan]

You are one of a few that won't deserve to bask in the success when it arrives.

Woe is f**king me.

Lol f**k off dickhead. Like you can decide on if I can or can't bask in anything.

 

[Johns Magic]

Issue with Sione is that he's not going to be a metre-eating forward - at least not now, he's only just been moved to the forwards from centre. He's an edge player but we don't really set up any plays to utilise edge runners, let alone into anything resembling a gap. Our forwards are mostly just used for one out hitups at the moment (not surprising with our halves issue) and Sione isn't really built for that. Similar with Barnett - I think he's probably capable of more than we're using him for atm.

Sione's numbers were way better last year. He went through a nine-game run of 100+ metres to finish the 2016 season. Three of those were 140+ and another three were 120+.

He has only hit 100 metres twice this season and the most was 112. Maybe it is the style we are playing but if it is then we need to change that because second-rowers need to be hard to control on the edges.

 

[Alex28]

You seriously can't make this shit up.

Hokko didn't know where the kick was to be placed before he knocked it back. He thought it was 40 out.

$750K a year for stellar decision making.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...s/news-story/08e17826d8c25b433d7c6ad0c08e7808

 

[Swarzey]

I agree it would certainly help him to be in a better team - however even accounting for that you can still see that his game is severely lacking. Mullen for example always played behind shit forward packs but you could at least see that he could pass, kick and run even if he couldn't use them consistently. Lamb is really struggling with his passing game and he's too slow to ever put the defence in two minds.

Mullen didn't get shoved into first grade with a deadbeat halves partner though. He learned from arguably the greatest.