Melbournes Money

[elbusto]

Mate you're a f**king idiot. Do you have any idea how many players Melbourne have lost since 2006?

Try comparing their 06 side to 09, they're completely different teams.

Exactly - if they are ripping off the Salary Cap then they are doing a bloody awful job of it!

 

[big country]

Do not agree - the growth in interest in Rugby League in Victoria continues year by year.Long way to go but its working. One of the reasons we have been able to reestablish League in Tassie this year is the Storm and the local interest in them.

In the long term Rugby League must have a true National presence. The AFL is not throwing all that money at QLD and Sydney for nothing.

The 'Stop the World I want to get off' view will only see League die. Your either in it or forget it.

hmmm - somehow me thinks a grand final between cronulla and penrith next year will struggle to get more than 300 viewers in Melb

 

[big_matt]

hmmm - somehow me thinks a grand final between cronulla and penrith next year will struggle to get more than 300 viewers in Melb

So why did the Cowboys/Tigers GF get 80k viewers?

(Waiting for the next excuse........)

 

[big country]

So why did the Cowboys/Tigers GF get 80k viewers?

(Waiting for the next excuse........)

80k is just as good as 300 - it's not even a blimp on the radar - in fact anything less than 500k these days causes production execs to reach for the pills

 

[elbusto]

So why did the Cowboys/Tigers GF get 80k viewers?

(Waiting for the next excuse........)

My memory of that Grand Final was that it was a replay and not shown live. I had to go to a local pub to watch it. Might be wrong but do not think so.

 

[elbusto]

80k is just as good as 300 - it's not even a blimp on the radar - in fact anything less than 500k these days causes production execs to reach for the pills

In that case the Swans and the Lions are dead in Brisbane and Sydney - you had better let the AFL and Channels Seven and Ten know .....

 

[big_matt]

80k is just as good as 300 - it's not even a blimp on the radar - in fact anything less than 500k these days causes production execs to reach for the pills

Keep your head in the sand mate. Your game will die if it doesn't go national. Every other sport in Australia knows this apart from some sydney fans who want to think TV execs would be interested in paying huge money for a local sydney sport.

 

[big country]

Keep your head in the sand mate. Your game will die if it doesn't go national. Every other sports in Australia knows this apart from some sydney fans who want to think TV execs would be interested in paying huge money for a local sydney sport.

mate we've been national for 20 years and we've been in Melb for 11 and yet your people still dont worry when the Brady Bunch is on instead of the league?

 

[meltiger]

Bit off topic. 2009 was the first grand final I've been to since the Storms run started in 06. In any of the previous years have they had more supporters there? I thought it was a pathetic effort from storm supporters.

I'd hate to think what kind of following they would have if they struggled.

Yes. Just got unlucky in who they played this year.

Was the lowest turnout by Storm fans of the 4, however decidedly more were in the stands than Cowboys fans in '05

So you havent murdered the game by bending rules ..Errr heads.

Salary cap,Who does the News LTD(NRL) send down to go through the News LTD Books??

& this has anything to do with the thread at hand how?

ok this is where I disagree - there should be a level playing field across the board - none of this 'propping up' business - some 100 year old clubs have become extinct because they were not propped up and you cant tell me they were not as important as melbourne

Yes I can.

Disagree. At last count Melbourne had 8 Internationals & 2 SOO players in their starting 13. How many other teams have that? They have been overly strong in playing strength for about 5 years and all the stars have recently signed long term contracts. Isn't the salary cap designed to stop this happening? For some reason the salary cap doesn't affect the Storms playing roster, like it does other teams.

Before Storm entered the comp it was considered unfair that the Broncos had easy access to virtually all the young playing talent in QLD. Melbourne have changed that by being able to recruit the best young players from QLD over the last 6-7 years. How? These young players weren't prepared to cross the border to NSW but are now happy to move to Victoria? Obviously additional incentives are available to entice these young players, but a salary cap also applies to U20's to prevent stockpiling of young players. Once again, the U20 salary cap doesn't seem to stop the Storm.

I am lead to believe the corporate support for the Storm is comparable to a lot of the NSW clubs, yet they still make a loss of between $5-$6million per year. Can you imagine the losses they would have if they weren't succesful?

Everything points towards them spending more on players than other clubs, that's not a level playing field, and these accusations will continue as long as their owner continues to run the competition they play in.

& once again, what does your insinuations that the Storm are cheating the salary cap have to do with the topic?

 

[ozjet1]

recruiting of rookies in the NRL is totally unfair as well.

4 teams basically have the pick of all of QLD for new talent. in contrast, there are 11 teams jostling for players in NSW.

a draft is the fairest way to distribute the best of the new players into the comp. but ofcourse, the game cant even do that properly.

 

[babyg]

New Stadium + FTA exposure + New Ltd out = more sponsorship = more money.

Help Melbourne for as long as they need. I thought even though NewsL give the Storm $$, NewsL in return get to keep sponsorship money. So the gave may not be as large.

 

[meltiger]

recruiting of rookies in the NRL is totally unfair as well.

4 teams basically have the pick of all of QLD for new talent. in contrast, there are 11 teams jostling for players in NSW.

a draft is the fairest way to distribute the best of the new players into the comp. but ofcourse, the game cant even do that properly.

Every club has access to every young player available, across the world let alone QLD


It's my opinion that Ryan Hoffman should have taken home Clive, only my opinion of course. A NSW junior. Do we want to examine how he became to be a Melbourne player and not a Wests Tiger?


Poor recruiting choices are the fault of Sydney clubs, not those clubs who are doing it well...

 

[big_matt]

mate we've been national for 20 years and we've been in Melb for 11 and yet your people still dont worry when the Brady Bunch is on instead of the league?

Where are you getting this stuff from? League been a truly national sport for the last 20 years? How many states have had teams for the full 20 years? Thought so...

And its not the fault of victorian fans that league isnt shown here by channel 9. Channel 9 dont want to seen to be beaten in the ratings by 7 showing AFL on Friday nights so they are petty and show programmes that may get lower viewing figures than the storm just so they dont lose the "sports head to head".

 

[ozjet1]

Salary cap,Who does the News LTD(NRL) send down to go through the News LTD Books??

independence is a shame in the NRL.

 

[elbusto]

mate we've been national for 20 years and we've been in Melb for 11 and yet your people still dont worry when the Brady Bunch is on instead of the league?

Well mate the fact is that Junior participation is growing in Melbourne, half as many Victorians watched the NRL Grand Final this as the AFL one and you are seeing this growth in the second biggest State in the country.

If you lose Melbourne forget the NRL. I am sorry mate but without Melbourne you lose all of the other States outside NSW and QLD as well.

Melbourne is the catalyst for growth and increased income.

Without them the FL will destroy League.

 

[big_matt]

recruiting of rookies in the NRL is totally unfair as well.

4 teams basically have the pick of all of QLD for new talent. in contrast, there are 11 teams jostling for players in NSW.

a draft is the fairest way to distribute the best of the new players into the comp. but ofcourse, the game cant even do that properly.

Since when? There is nothing to stop any team recruiting young talent from QLD. If they cant be bothered sending scouts up there then thats their loss. There is no rule to say QLD talent goes to the 4 teams.

And given we have several NSW origin players we obviously don't just recruit from one state. Maybe the sydney teams should do the same.

 

[big country]

Where are you getting this stuff from? League been a truly national sport for the last 20 years? How many states have had teams for the full 20 years? Thought so...

And its not the fault of victorian fans that league isnt shown here by channel 9. Channel 9 dont want to seen to be beaten in the ratings by 7 showing AFL on Friday nights so they are petty and show programmes that may get lower viewing figures than the storm just so they dont lose the "sports head to head".

sorry - i didnt realise you couldnt consider yourself national if you had a base in only 1 other state......mate I can tell you now - channel 9 would be comitting ratings suicide if they broadcast the Storm instead of Burkes backyard in competition with the AFL

 

[Whos Ya Daddy]

Prop Melbourne up until they are self sufficient.

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[big_matt]

sorry - i didnt realise you couldnt consider yourself national if you had a base in only 1 other state......mate I can tell you now - channel 9 would be comitting ratings suicide if they broadcast the Storm instead of Burkes backyard in competition with the AFL

How can it be a national sport with teams in only 3 of the states?

And you are wrong. The prelim final they showed got 250k viewers, which is far more than watch some of the crap ancient films they show in Melb. That 250k was outside of the 30k that were actually at the game.

Look - our U16 team is 100% victorians. If you don't think that shows that a foothold is growing in Melb then thats ridiculous.

 

[elbusto]

How can it be a national sport with teams in only 3 of the states?

And you are wrong. The prelim final they showed got 250k viewers, which is far more than watch some of the crap ancient films they show in Melb. That 250k was outside of the 30k that were actually at the game.

Look - our U16 team is 100% victorians. If you don't think that shows that a foothold is growing in Melb then thats ridiculous.

I think we are wasting our breath. The world is changing rapidly and the NRL must become truly national and it knows it. Blokes like Big Country will be left behind. Thats just the way it is.