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NBA Offseason / Summer 2011

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AlwaysGreen

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Who'd have thought that Bunniesman would support the Heat. :lol:

Is there any bandwagon you won't jump on?
 

BunniesMan

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Who'd have thought that Bunniesman would support the Heat. :lol:

Is there any bandwagon you won't jump on?
I've supported the Heat since before the Big 3.

Since when is supporting a team with the second longest active drought in the nrl, 'bandwagoning'.

Of the big EPL teams, Arsenal has gone the longest without a trophy.

The Swans have won 1 premiership since the year Hitler first came to power.

Even if you count me supporting the Heat as a bandwagon, none of the other teams I support could be called bandwagoning...by any reasonable person that is.
 

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"We are all witnesses"

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Players want 52% and system issues in their favour. Owners won't go further than 50-50, and if the players want the system issues in their favour the owners won't give the players more than 47%.

If I was a betting man I'd put money on no season, and major longterm damage to the NBA brand.
 

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FFS, someone needs to compromise, either they do or they lose more money then they are arguing over. I realise that the players union is being arsed and the owners have made no concessions at all, but they have to realise that no one gives a f**k if multi-millionaire athletes are losing a few dollars.
 
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Someone does need to compromise, but the problem is both sides feel they've compromised more than enough.

And regarding the players, like I said before, of course they should give up. Logically they should give up. But I think their pride and ego won't let them. And I also think that they still don't understand how willing the owners are to throwaway a season. They think if they threaten to decertify the union and go through the courts, the owners will fold.

It's a classic game of chicken and I don't think either side realises how willing the other is to crash head on.
 

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ba...=AjWt00hi5vYwZE_FxPZ9xfs5nYcB?urn=nba-wp10234

It gets worse. The hardline "minority" might comprise as much as 14 of the 29 owners. Just 1 or 2 need to flip and we'll have 50/50 taken off the table.

One of the hopes the players had was that because one of their own was an owner, he'd be trying to get a fair deal for them. It turns out Jordan is one of the hardest of the hardliners...

Unless the players forget about decertifying and accept 50/50 very quickly, they'll do no better than 47.

In most negotiations, the longer it goes the more willing both parties are to compromise further and end it. In this negotiation, the longer it goes the less fair the owners will be.
 
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Have you ever been in a negotiation in your life let a lone a CBA? Our company tried to take away our guarantee to a redundancy if the company ever sold and we weren't having that because it was making the company look more attractive to prospective buyers, nobody budged and the motherf**ker dragged on for too long. Finally someone budged and guess who? The company because the company doesn't make money without the workers. I'm sure the single mothers at Woolworths would have gladly taken our jobs that paid more and waived a right for the sake of money.

Chauncey Billups already said he'll sit out the season and lose $14m and that many others will do it.

I know it wouldn't happen because there's probably only a double digit BunniesMan IQ between every player in the league but the sooner they realise they don't need the NBA and could easily pull together and form their own league the better off they'll be.
 

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The owners own the arenas. There isn't a spare 20k stadium in every city.

There just isn't another 30 billionaires laying around waiting to pour money into Basketball.

Some players are smart enough to invest their money, but it's depressing to know just how many live pay check to pay check. They don't have the money themselves to start their own league.

And also the owners have exclusive contracts with the networks. And the networks are still paying them, basketball or no basketball.

And the owners say 22 of the teams lose money, that's probably exaggerating but say half the teams, or 15, really do lose money year to year. That's 15 owners who essentially profit from cancelled games. They won't be in a hurry to make a deal.

The hardline minority is growing. If in the next couple weeks the owners say "ok new deal, the best we're going to give you is 47%", will you then be convinced of their ability to outlast the players?

And Billups is willing to throwaway a year? Ok. Even if you ignore the possibility that he's posturing, maybe he is one of the few who invests his money and doesn't spend it like an ATM. But I do not believe that more than 50% of players have the ability to go 12 months without any money coming in.

If nothing happens in the negotiations coming up in the next week, expect December games to be cancelled. Expect a new offer of 47% to the players.

If the players don't agree the whole season will go pretty soon, the owners won't talk until May next year and it'll only be to offer 44%.

Don't get me wrong. I'm on the players side. They've already given more than they should need to give. The owners are being selfish, they are not negotiating in good faith. In a perfect world none of this would be happening. But it's not a perfect world.

The owners will win, it just depends on when they'll win and by how much they'll win.
 
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The owners don't hold the upper hand for shit.

The players can play overseas if they need the money. They've already proven they can pack out gym arenas in the US and will prove it worldwide. The sponsorship would flood in and nobody is paying to see NBA D-League scrubs. Without the players the NBA has no fans and without the fans the NBA gets no money. The elite players could seriously live off touring worldwide.

If the players stick to their guns and not budge they will eventually win but they are not determined enough to stick to it and they're not smart enough to do something for themselves and for progression.
 

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The owners don't hold the upper hand for shit.

The players can play overseas if they need the money. They've already proven they can pack out gym arenas in the US and will prove it worldwide. The sponsorship would flood in and nobody is paying to see NBA D-League scrubs. Without the players the NBA has no fans and without the fans the NBA gets no money. The elite players could seriously live off touring worldwide.

If the players stick to their guns and not budge they will eventually win but they are not determined enough to stick to it and they're not smart enough to do something for themselves and for progression.
The stars could. The best 20 players in the NBA could quit the NBA today, do a rolling world wide year long exhibition tour and make more than they make in the NBA.

But that isn't going to support the other 350 average players. Those players have nothing without the NBA owners.

Lebron and Kobe will do fine however long this lasts. Lebron and Kobe would do fine if the NBA shut down permanently tomorrow. Mario Chalmers and Luke Walton would not be ok if the NBA shut down.
 

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The meeting today has so far lasted 7 hrs and still no word, not worth getting hopes up like last time only to be disappointed.
 
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