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New South Wales 2016

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For the NSW spine to be able to do any work in attack, Daley needs to get Farah to stop putting on plays for himself. Year after year the guy goes for selfish plays, often overcalling his halves and his plays do sweet FA when he does. Farah has ability but his constant derpiness in Origin peeves me beyond belief.

Definitely!! Have mentioned it countless times here. Robbie looks for what's on for Robbie first, and then lays it off to the halves when there's nothing on.

Reynolds and Maloney need quick quality ball if NSW are to threaten QLD at all, instead of Farah just labouring out of acting half on 4th and 5th and allowing the QLD defensive line the time to move up and shift.

It's no surprise that with all the halves combos NSW have had, they can't score a decent amount of points. The issue always has been the first bloke to get his hands on the pill.
 

Clifferd

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I'm more worried about defense rather than attack tbh, I reckon Dugan will get slaughtered if he plays centre hence why I have Morris there and Dugan fullback who's been there before. Have Moylan come on when the games in the balance shifting Dugan to lock or somewhere in the middle where he can be covered for in defence

Fullback is arguably the toughest position you could play in origin since the attack always wants to put up a towering kick and the chasers basically want to kill you. I dunno if Moylan could handle that intensity straight up
 

big hit!

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I'm more worried about defense rather than attack tbh, I reckon Dugan will get slaughtered if he plays centre hence why I have Morris there and Dugan fullback who's been there before. Have Moylan come on when the games in the balance shifting Dugan to lock or somewhere in the middle where he can be covered for in defence

Fullback is arguably the toughest position you could play in origin since the attack always wants to put up a towering kick and the chasers basically want to kill you. I dunno if Moylan could handle that intensity straight up

How can you just willy nilly come up with an idea of Dugan in the middle? There's no such thing as 'cover'. At this level, he'll be exposed, especially with Smith, Cronk and Thurston pulling the strings. He'd also get gassed after a set playing there, particularly in the Origin arena. There's also Klemmer, Tamou, Frizell all as your potential middle rotation for Woods, Gallen & Bird. What a waste of their place and better options for this role in the side if Dugan is then shifted into the middle third instead.

Playing in the middle as a forward is about going as hard as you can for 20-25 minutes at a time and then coming off for a breather, and getting 3 other fresh battering rams off the bench for 15-20 mins either side of HT to do the same job.
 

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Why would Dugan get "slaughtered" in defence in the centres? He hasnt shown to be a poor defender in any other game he has played in the centres, Origins inclusive
 

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I'm still yet to see an official 17.

I think that's great. We all know that Daley doesn't have the cattle man for man. Picking the team as a squad and leaving everyone guessing as to what form the 17 will take is some way to try and get an advantage.

I've asked before, but is Daley required to have #1-17 named by a specific deadline prior to Wednesday week? I'd assume that 18th & 19th men who have games this weekend would need to be released for their club?
 

Valheru

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Definitely!! Have mentioned it countless times here. Robbie looks for what's on for Robbie first, and then lays it off to the halves when there's nothing on.

Reynolds and Maloney need quick quality ball if NSW are to threaten QLD at all, instead of Farah just labouring out of acting half on 4th and 5th and allowing the QLD defensive line the time to move up and shift.

It's no surprise that with all the halves combos NSW have had, they can't score a decent amount of points. The issue always has been the first bloke to get his hands on the pill.

So it wasn't all Pearce's fault?
 

rabbitohs95

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My team based on the squad:

1. Dugan

I feel like we need a ball runner at the back and Duges is a proven Origin player. His big frame and toughness (yes he goes down a lot but always gets back up) is definitely what we need. Plus if he does get injured, there's always Moylan on the bench.

2. Mansour

Again, big and robust is what we need and Mansour fits it perfectly. A player who's been rewarded for good form and I hope he does well. Could be a Blue for years to come.

3. Jennings

Pretty straight forward decision. Has played well this year and has proven he has it in Origin. Is capable in both attack and defence and should score a try or two this series.

4. Morris

Much like Jennings, Morris has stood up in the Origin arena and is our greatest counter to Inglis. He's getting old and it could be his last series but he needs to be there, and club form has done him justice.

5. Ferguson

While I don't necessarily agree with him being in the team, there aren't many if any other realistic options. He's a big body that can get us metres from kicks, but I worry about his defence and his errors. Hopefully he stands up.

6. Maloney

The best performing NSW half had to be here. Maloney has helped the Sharks cruise to first place and his teammates will be happy he's here. Good running game and good kicking game will compliment Reynolds.

7. Reynolds

Incredibly pleased that Reynolds got picked over Pearce. Unlike than his derpness, Reynolds can actually put teams under pressure with his great kicking game and is great at directing the team, so his organisation will be pivotal. Should thrive under a strong pack.

8. Woods

The cult figure all great teams need. Although there was doubt over his injuries he's come out from them well and should continue his form into Origin. Will be a central figure in stopping McGuire and Scott.

9. Farah

While Ennis has been in better form, Farah has shown some success in the Origin arena. The only thing I'm worried about is the fact he can hog the ball quite a bit, which would hamper Maloney and Reynolds' impact. Could be his last series with Peats on the rise.

10. Gallen (c)

No words needed, but i'll put them in anyway. I hope that everyone lifts for the great captain's final hurrah in Origin. He deserves to win another shield and I hope the boys can do it this year. Will be inspirational.

11. Cordner

I think since his last Origin outing, Cordner has matured as a player. Like a few on here have explained, he's better stating than from on the bench, and is a part of our new generation coming through. I think this will be his breakout Origin series.

12. Jackson

I'm not a huge fan of Jackson and i'd rather honestly have Scott here, but he is a good player and very capable in the Origin arena. Has a very big job in trying to contain Inglis and help Reynolds in defense, but i'm confident he can do the job.

13. Bird

I think Birdy plays better as a roaming lock than he does confined to one corridor as a second rower. His across the field runs to put players into holes is a good weapon for us to have and his aggression and passion is second only to Gal.

BENCH

14. Moylan

A good utility to have off the bench. Can cover fullback and the halves and with the versatility of the other backline players, he could be very useful. Great ball playing which will be helpful to the halves.

15. Frizell

Frizell is such an Origin type player and i'm glad he got the shot over Cartwright. His robust running and strong defence will be useful when he comes on and will help the team go forward when fatigue hits in. Definitely has to come off the bench.

16. Klemmer

The thing I love about Klemmer is that he's the perfect bench prop. Huge frame, plenty of power and lots of aggression. Perfect for Origin and he will be a Blue for many many years to come. Critical to our success in the middle of each half.

17. Tamou

The great thing about Tamou is that he can be an impact player off the bench or a solid starter. Since his return to injury last year he's been great for the Cowboys and was good for the Blues last year. Solid option for the bench


18th Man: Walker

Shouldn't even be here tbh. You could call me a bitter Souths fan but honestly his form this year has been up and down and he's been thrown around and hasn't settled until his last game in his best position at centre. Shouldn't be picked unless he's playing centre which we have plenty of.
 

Clifferd

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Why would Dugan get "slaughtered" in defence in the centres? He hasnt shown to be a poor defender in any other game he has played in the centres, Origins inclusive

He'd probably do okay but personally I'd have Morris in the centres over him who has proven to handle Inglis quite well before. That leaves Dugan either at fullback or out of the team altogether which wouldn't make much sense
 

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Gal.

BENCH

14. Moylan

A good utility to have off the bench. Can cover fullback and the halves and with the versatility of the other backline players, he could be very useful. Great ball playing which will be helpful to the halves.

Moylan has not played in the halves since juniors. Not in first grade, NSW Cup or Under 20's. Yet you want him to cover the halves in State of Origin. He is a ball playing specialist fullback who might be moved into the halves one day, and might not.

As a bench utility, I can think of at least a dozen players more suitable, including at least 3 from his own club. He will be the fullback, like it or not. If the intention is anything different, he should not have been selected.
 
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SBD82

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Moylan has not played in the halves since juniors. Not in first grade, NSW Cup or Under 20's. Yet you want him to cover the halves in State of Origin. He is a ball playing specialist fullback who might be moved into the halves one day, and might not.

As a bench utility, I can think of at least a dozen players more suitable, including at least 3 from his own club. He will be the fullback, like it or not. If the intention is anything different, he should not have been selected.

I agree with you that Moylan shouldn't be the utility if compared to the likes of a J. Bird or Peachey. But from the squad that is there I think it would be the best option, considering the other choice (walker)

I think it's possible Laurie is trying to be clever (seems a nice bloke but god he seems thick).

I think this is a possible scenario:

Start the game with duges at 1. Jackson right back row.

Bring Moylan in at the 25/30 minute mark. Play him at fullback in defense and move Jackson to the middle, Dugan defends right back row. In attack Moylan plays as an extra pivot. Dugan still plays his normal game as a ball runner.

I think it's possible that this is what will happen. I don't think it's a great idea but I'm trying to figure out wtf Daley is doing. It's also possible that I'm massively overthinking it, and Daley will start Moylan at 1, Dugan at 4 and walker at 14.
 

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So you'd rather an injured Dugan over a fully fit Morris in the centres

Oh its cause hes "injured" now that he'll get "slaughtered" is it?

Ive not made a comment on who id prefer mate, just questioning why exactly Dugan would be so bad defending at centre like you claimed
 

Clifferd

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I agree with you that Moylan shouldn't be the utility if compared to the likes of a J. Bird or Peachey. But from the squad that is there I think it would be the best option, considering the other choice (walker)

I think it's possible Laurie is trying to be clever (seems a nice bloke but god he seems thick).

I think this is a possible scenario:

Start the game with duges at 1. Jackson right back row.

Bring Moylan in at the 25/30 minute mark. Play him at fullback in defense and move Jackson to the middle, Dugan defends right back row. In attack Moylan plays as an extra pivot. Dugan still plays his normal game as a ball runner.

I think it's possible that this is what will happen. I don't think it's a great idea but I'm trying to figure out wtf Daley is doing. It's also possible that I'm massively overthinking it, and Daley will start Moylan at 1, Dugan at 4 and walker at 14.

This is pretty much what I meant but explained a lot better. Out of the crop of players Daley picked Moylan suits better as a utility, otherwise Walker is the utility and nobody likes that option

Could work or it could go horribly wrong
 
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SBD82

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This is pretty much what I meant but explained a lot better. Out of the crop of players Daley picked Moylan suits better as a utility, otherwise Walker is the utility and nobody likes that option

Could work or it could go horribly wrong

Agree. It could work or be really horrible.

If that's the way it goes it's pretty similar to the way QLD has used Morgan and DCE the last couple of years. Not sure that copying QLD's play book would be a great idea when that gameplan was created around DCE and Morgans strengths.
 

carcharias

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Barring Moylan Mansour and Frizzel ( has he played for Aus)
All those players have played and won some very big games
Maybe Daley is onto something
 

Doomednow

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Moylan on the bench is a pants on head idea. Give him back to the Panthers if that's the plan. He is in no way a utility. Walker is a dumb pick but that's how it is. Daley can deny it all he wants but that selection has Fulton's hands all over it. Why do these blokes even have a role still?
 

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Josh Morris has been named in the dogs side. I'm assuming that mean our backline looks like...
1. Moylan
2. Mansour
3. Jennings
4. Dugan
5. Ferguson
14. Walker
 
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