New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Pneuma]

Of course it is, you can't expect everybody to enjoy the same thing. But wally and his mate are going on about the monolithic NRL when it's only ever captured 20% viewers at its highest.
Compare this to NZ when late last year we had a woman's Rugby game get to 1.5 million or 30% of the population and have previously had an All Blacks match cross 2 million or 40% of the population.

NFL final gets about 30% as well. 100 million out of 350 million

 

[Te Kaha]

NFL final gets about 30% as well. 100 million out of 350 million

And Soccer in Europe and South America get close as well. But apparently according to Wally and his mate that doesn't matter in NZ.

 

[Wb1234]

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NFL final gets about 30% as well. 100 million out of 350 million

One round of nrl gets close to 5 million viewers

it’s why the nrl has a tv deal worth 430 million compared to 90 million for nz (including tests) and 35 million for Australia (including test)

 

[Te Kaha]

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One round of nrl gets close to 5 million viewers

it’s why the nrl has a tv deal worth 430 million compared to 90 million for nz (including tests) and 35 million for Australia (including test)

Ahh changing the argument when you are losing. These figures are for a SINGLE match you wally, not a round.

 

[Wb1234]

The other thing people are forgetting is the super rugby season is over by june

so there is a long gap with no top level club rugby games being played in nz

obviously this is a massive void nz2 can fill (also given how few games each club plays)

 

[Pippen94]

No, your point isn’t more important and it isn’t even relevant. It is just a slogan that you parrot endlessly and mindlessly, as one can see from this exchange

We get it: expansion to new areas is difficult. Some people think it’s worthwhile with a bit of effort whilst others like yourself clearly don’t. Play a new record mate: this one is tiresome, repetitive and stuck on a loop.

Ur concept of what makes a team viable is wrong & will undermine the very expansion u advocate. U r clueless

 

[Pippen94]

There'll be a super sunday 2pm,4pm,6pm.
Question is do you want the existing Australian teams filling the new sunday 6pm slot every weekend? cant imagine it will be great for fans or corporates.
Or do you want a Perth team filling it every other week where it will be prime time for fans in Perth for a sunday afternoon game and cut the impact of the addition of another poor time slot down by half? Australian teams rate better than the Warriors, all of them. Australian TV pays 90% plus of the tv deal.
You'd need to get Sky to massively up the current $32million to equal the value of adding a new Australian metro market of fast approaching 3million people, imo.

NZ2 benefits if they and the warriors take the dreaded 6pm slot between them for the full season. But then as said there's problems with Wellingtons stadium for night games. Not sure how negotiable that is?

Pay TV just wants extra game. Sky funding nz2 is best of both worlds

 

[Te Kaha]

The other thing people are forgetting is the super rugby season is over by june

so there is a long gap with no top level club rugby games being played in nz

obviously this is a massive void nz2 can fill (also given how few games each club plays)

You really don't comprehend do you wally... After Super Rugby there is the inbound international tours, followed by the Rugby Championship, followed by the NPC, followed by the outbound tours.
As usual you are making shit up.

Pay TV just wants extra game. Sky funding nz2 is best of both worlds

Sky funding will end in 2027.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

The other thing people are forgetting is the super rugby season is over by june

so there is a long gap with no top level club rugby games being played in nz

obviously this is a massive void nz2 can fill (also given how few games each club plays)

The NPC (national provincial championship) and international tours run after Super Rugby, so theres not a massive void.

 

[Wb1234]

The NPC (national provincial championship) and international tours run after Super Rugby, so theres not a massive void.

I said top level club rugby games

a handful of internationals played over six months isn’t replacing regular club games

obviously with the advent of suer rugby npc isn’t really relevant when talking about top level games

 

[SpaceMonkey]

obviously with the advent of suer rugby npc isn’t really relevant when talking about top level games

The NPC (at least at the first division level) is still considered top level in NZ and often attracts more support than Super Rugby, especially Ranfurly shield matches.

 

[Wb1234]

The NPC (at least at the first division level) is still considered top level in NZ and often attracts more support than Super Rugby, especially Ranfurly shield matches.

The indisputable problem with the NPC

When was the last time NPC rugby captured any semblance of the ongoing national sporting conversation?

amp.rugbypass.com

 

[Te Kaha]

I said top level club rugby games

a handful of internationals played over six months isn’t replacing regular club games

obviously with the advent of suer rugby npc isn’t really relevant when talking about top level games

Once again Wally you show yourself to be ignorant.

 

[Wb1234]

The NPC (national provincial championship) and international tours run after Super Rugby, so theres not a massive void.

NZ Rugby Attendance And TV Ratings Are Falling Due To The NPC Format

www.sportsbusinessjournal.com

 

[Te Kaha]

NZ Rugby Attendance And TV Ratings Are Falling Due To The NPC Format

www.sportsbusinessjournal.com

Eleven years ago you muppet!... You don't know what you are talking about so you google as fast as you can and hope its relevant.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Here's how I think a second NZ side could work in NZ. I'm not saying this is what SHOULD happen or that it would be a huge success, (I'm staying neutral on that, but I'm at least trying to provide a model that is practically feasible.

Assuming a season of 25 full rounds in an 18 team comp, with two pools of 9 teams (Sydney and non-Sydney), with each team playing the teams in their pool twice and the teams in the other pool once, you'd get either 12 or 13 home games per season.

NZ2 to be based in either Wellington or Christchurch. Based out of the existing stadiums or the new Christchurch stadium once its built.
A commitment to play 8-9 at the home base per season and 4 at the second city.
assuming at least 1/3 of home games are Sunday afternoon games (midday AEST timeslot) that would keep the potential number of night games in Wellington down to the required 4 if it were the home ground.
Season ticket options could be split into 5 tiers- All home matches, an 8-9 ticket option for the main home ground, a 4 ticket option for the second city, a 1-2 game package for fans in Aus and a non-ticketed membership.

This doesn't of course address the issues of funding and improving NZ junior pathways. But its a model that would allow the use of the best existing venues and capture support from the widest possible area of the country without making travel too onerous.

 

[Wb1234]

Here's how I think a second NZ side could work in NZ. I'm not saying this is what SHOULD happen or that it would be a huge success, (I'm staying neutral on that, but I'm at least trying to provide a model that is practically feasible.

Assuming a season of 25 full rounds in an 18 team comp, with two pools of 9 teams (Sydney and non-Sydney), with each team playing the teams in their pool twice and the teams in the other pool once, you'd get either 12 or 13 home games per season.

NZ2 to be based in either Wellington or Christchurch. Based out of the existing stadiums or the new Christchurch stadium once its built.
A commitment to play 8-9 at the home base per season and 4 at the second city.
assuming at least 1/3 of home games are Sunday afternoon games (midday AEST timeslot) that would keep the potential number of night games in Wellington down to the required 4 if it were the home ground.
Season ticket options could be split into 5 tiers- All home matches, an 8-9 ticket option for the main home ground, a 4 ticket option for the second city, a 1-2 game package for fans in Aus and a non-ticketed membership.

This doesn't of course address the issues of funding and improving NZ junior pathways. But its a model that would allow the use of the best existing venues and capture support from the widest possible area of the country without making travel too onerous.

New club with get a grant of 18 million Aussie or close to 20 million kiwi

salary cap is 12.1 million

club will be able to fund junior program from this money

nz derby will be massive for rugby league

warriors to revert back to Auckland which they are anyway

 

[SpaceMonkey]

New club with get a grant of 18 million Aussie or close to 20 million kiwi

salary cap is 12.1 million

club will be able to fund junior program from this money

nz derby will be massive for rugby league

warriors to revert back to Auckland which they are anyway

Warriors wouldnt need to completely revert to Auckland, but define their catchment as Auckland, Northland, Waikato and the Bay of Plenty, and encourage them to move a game or two each seasons to Hamilton and Rotorua - both within 2.5 hrs drive of Auckland, and home to another half million or so people all up in those regions.

There's something of a natural divide through the central north island anyway, of places that tend to look towards Auckland as "the city" or towards wellington, and that'd fit that conveniently.

 

[Matua]

Warriors wouldnt need to completely revert to Auckland, but define their catchment as Auckland, Northland, Waikato and the Bay of Plenty, and encourage them to move a game or two each seasons to Hamilton and Rotorua - both within 2.5 hrs drive of Auckland, and home to another half million or so people all up in those regions.

There's also no guarantee that people outside of Auckland would automatically from switch to the new team from the Warriors anyway. I know a bunch of league fans in NQ who don't support the Cowboys as Parramatta was always the team supported where they're from.

If the new team is based in Chch I won't support them, actually I'm pretty loath to support a Wellington team either.

TBF, the Warriors were never really just Auckland anyway, from their inception they drew support from all over the country.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

There's also no guarantee that people outside of Auckland would automatically from switch to the new team from the Warriors anyway. I know a bunch of league fans in NQ who don't support the Cowboys as Parramatta was always the team supported where they're from.

If the new team is based in Chch I won't support them, actually I'm pretty loath to support a Wellington team either.

TBF, the Warriors were never really just Auckland anyway, from their inception they drew support from all over the country.

I think the most likely people to switch support will be those who actually have the incentive of being able to go to games- so itd be silly to try to push people from the Waikato or BoP who can still realistically go to a Warriors game or two a year if they're keen for a bit of a drive, to support a team that are well out of day trip range.