New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Matua]

I said England is the home of union

is english your second language ??

like league is also second for you

Odd you're a pedant about this but chose to be so wilfully ignorant about other stuff.

England's also the home of league. But who cares.

Either way, that's irrelevant to the teenagers you follow on Tik Tok having any clue. They don't. You don't.

 

[Wb1234]

Odd you're a pedant about this but chose to be so wilfully ignorant about other stuff.

England's also the home of league. But who cares.

Either way, that's irrelevant to the teenagers you follow on Tik Tok having any clue. They don't. You don't.

Well if your going to respond to my post respond to what I actually wrote not what you imagined in that massive brain you have

 

[The Great Dane]

On a League forum discussing Rugby and League and you ask why I am concentrating on Contact sports? In discussion about a country where the national sport is a contact sport... fmd I would have thought that would be obvious.

Or you're making out that CTE is a bigger issue in the rugbys and other contact sports to push the point that it'll have a significantly larger impact on them than other sports to win an argument on the internet, when that isn't necessarily the case in reality.

I'd go so far as to say that it shouldn't be the case in reality.

Its not that a lot of sports are showing concussion caused CTE that's the problem, its currently contact sports are over represented. The reason of course is that there are more chances to get concussed in those sports. And because of this it is being more widely reported, thus causing reduced numbers of kids playing those sports.

That's exactly my point though; contact and combat sports are only overrepresented because that's where the majority of the research, and media attention, has been so far. However almost every time somebody has looked for CTE in another sport they've found it, or at least something similar to it, and it's only a matter of time before we start to better understand that and it becomes more publicised.

In other words, we're starting to find CTE in what look to be statistically significant rates in dozens of sports, most of which aren't traditionally considered contact sports, and potentially other recreational activities as well.

We've also found that you don't need to be concussed, in either the clinical or colloquial sense, to develop symptoms of CTE. Subconcussive impacts have been shown to cause the brain to move within the skull without causing the symptoms associated with concussions, but are also still capable of causing brain damage associated with CTE if you're exposed to enough over an extended period.

The really crazy thing about subconcussive impacts is that they can be so small that you don't even need to make contact with anything to cause one. The vibrations of moving at high speeds or g-force associated with cornering or suddenly stopping can be enough to cause subconcussive impacts.

So sure, there'll almost certainly be a higher rate of CTE in the combat and contact sports on average (there do seem to be potential exceptions like bobsleigh though), and generally speaking the cases of CTE in combat and contact sports seem to be worse. However the presence of CTE in most other sports still seems to be significant, and the cases there are still life changing.

 

[Canard]

Actually you kind of can, every day in fact. Players of professional sport get injured every day, they arent suing their clubs.
One of the reasons why I think the NRl could have been smarter in its CBA negotiations re longer medical care and a stronger CTE response fund.

They WOULD sue there clubs if it was shown the injury was caused by negligence on the part of their employer, and their employer didn't assist them with medical bills etc.

So yeh, that's a terrible take.

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

There was a guy walking down the street in east hull I said hello too

Don't try that in Brighton.

 

[The Great Dane]

They WOULD sue there clubs if it was shown the injury was caused by negligence on the part of their employer, and their employer didn't assist them with medical bills etc.

So yeh, that's a terrible take.

There's nothing concert to suggest that that has happened in the NRL, or Rugby in general, though.

The case against the NFL was strong because it was proven that the NFL knew about CTE before anybody else and tried to cover it up. As far as we know that hasn't happened in RL, RU, or any other full contact team sport.

 

[Wb1234]

This is your most ignorant comment yet. England don't control the game like the NRL do in league.

Those guys are clueless about NZ rugby.

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Don't try that in Brighton.

Sounds like Brighton in Sydney

 

[Wb1234]

Or you're making out that CTE is a bigger issue in the rugbys and other contact sports to push the point that it'll have a significantly larger impact on them than other sports to win an argument on the internet, when that isn't necessarily the case in reality.

yes

 

[Perth Red]

They WOULD sue there clubs if it was shown the injury was caused by negligence on the part of their employer, and their employer didn't assist them with medical bills etc.

So yeh, that's a terrible take.

CTE isn’t caused by clubs being negligent. And I covered what I thought should happen re CTE support for ex players.

 

[Iamback]

You summed it up previously

1. expanded women’s
2. End of season int comp
3. Pre season
4. Higher ratings due to dolphins / more games

and most importantly

5. Extra game to sell

then there’s the fact that the comp is due for an increase based on economic growth over 8 years

i literally picked a 100 mill increase to not be controversial and get dragged into a tv rights debate

tv rights are going up a lot and the salary cap will be 15 million or higher

top players will be on 2.5 million plus

at that level union can’t compete

let’s see how many players play for pride of jersey then

Spark Sport going bust
I think Stan is gone by next TV Deal so you won't see huge rise but $100m extra on the whatever it is now. Is certainly not unrealistic

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

And back to NZ...
Sunday night BIG expose on the Sunday current affairs program about the dangers of concussion caused CTE amongst ANY athlete in Contact sport pay special interest to Rugby, and by extension League.

Exclusive: First NZ rugby player diagnosed with CTE brain disease

"He sacrificed his body and brain for the betterment of his fellow Kiwis.” Sunday's Mark Crysell investigates the head knock crisis in contact sports.

www.1news.co.nz

Monday night Leading news story is about Woman's Rugby's rise and the countdown until we see evidence of concussion based CTE amongst women players.

If anybody thinks this isn't going to cause even furthur drops to Rugby and League playing numbers is kidding themselves.

CTE is caused by a moving person's brain impacting against their skull when they come to a sudden stop, isn't it?

Does that mean watching fumbleball can cause CTE?

The viewer's head goes from side to side to keep up with the messy action.

Maybe that's why fumbleball fans are crazy?

 

[Wb1234]

Spark Sport going bust
I think Stan is gone by next TV Deal so you won't see huge rise but $100m extra on the whatever it is now. Is certainly not unrealistic

Should be aiming for 600 million pa tbh

 

[Canard]

There's nothing concert to suggest that that has happened in the NRL, or Rugby in general, though.

The case against the NFL was strong because it was proven that the NFL knew about CTE before anybody else and tried to cover it up. As far as we know that hasn't happened in RL, RU, or any other full contact team sport.

Agreed. That's why I have posted many times, it's a case of ensuring all that can be done to protect player safety is.

And it's not a matter of changing laws or depriving players of there rights.

 

[Canard]

CTE isn’t caused by clubs being negligent. And I covered what I thought should happen re CTE support for ex players.

Agreed.

Like I said though, it's not legally possible for clubs to contract out of there player safety requirements though, which seems to be your suggestion.

 

[Pippen94]

Or you're making out that CTE is a bigger issue in the rugbys and other contact sports to push the point that it'll have a significantly larger impact on them than other sports to win an argument on the internet, when that isn't necessarily the case in reality.

I'd go so far as to say that it shouldn't be the case in reality.

That's exactly my point though; contact and combat sports are only overrepresented because that's where the majority of the research, and media attention, has been so far. However almost every time somebody has looked for CTE in another sport they've found it, or at least something similar to it, and it's only a matter of time before we start to better understand that and it becomes more publicised.

In other words, we're starting to find CTE in what look to be statistically significant rates in dozens of sports, most of which aren't traditionally considered contact sports, and potentially other recreational activities as well.

We've also found that you don't need to be concussed, in either the clinical or colloquial sense, to develop symptoms of CTE. Subconcussive impacts have been shown to cause the brain to move within the skull without causing the symptoms associated with concussions, but are also still capable of causing brain damage associated with CTE if you're exposed to enough over an extended period.

The really crazy thing about subconcussive impacts is that they can be so small that you don't even need to make contact with anything to cause one. The vibrations of moving at high speeds or g-force associated with cornering or suddenly stopping can be enough to cause subconcussive impacts.

So sure, there'll almost certainly be a higher rate of CTE in the combat and contact sports on average (there do seem to be potential exceptions like bobsleigh though), and generally speaking the cases of CTE in combat and contact sports seem to be worse. However the presence of CTE in most other sports still seems to be significant, and the cases there are still life changing.

What other sports?! Tennis?! Track?!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

That was years ago and I was going to a work event in parra park and had banners and sht you dope. But yeh convinced me once and for all what a sht place Sydney was to live if you wanted to actually get around the city.

No I'm talking last year when I went and stayed over in parra to catch the panthers game, homeless everywhere around the station, very sad to see for such a wealthy country. Maybe they should have built some shelters rather than commbank?

Melbourne and Sydney have a high homeless population.

 

[Perth Red]

Agreed.

Like I said though, it's not legally possible for clubs to contract out of there player safety requirements though, which seems to be your suggestion.

Of course it is, they can’t contract out negligence, there’s a massive difference. It’s inherent to sport that injury is part and parcel of the employment. It’s like literally guaranteed in the job You’re going to get injured at some point playing professional rugby league. there’s nothing to suggest clubs are being negligent when it comes to CTE risk.

 

[Wb1234]

Of course it is, they can’t contract out negligence, there’s a massive difference. It’s inherent to sport that injury is part and parcel of the employment. It’s like literally guaranteed in the job You’re going to get injured at some point playing professional rugby league. there’s nothing to suggest clubs are being negligent when it comes to CTE risk.

Or not doing stuff to mitigate the risk

There’s literally jobs out there that pay what’s called danger money

 

[Perth Red]

Or not doing stuff to mitigate the risk

There’s literally jobs out there that pay what’s called danger money

Yep I was in one for years as a psychiatric nurse. We got higher rate than general nurses and got to retire at 55. It was partly recognition that we’d often get attacked on the job.

 

[Iamback]

Should be aiming for 600 million pa tbh

Not sure the competition is there for such a number, Especially with such limited space for commercials in a game