New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Wb1234]

disingenuous as always.
I dont think we'll get a bad deal if we go to open market with a ninth game in another capital city and there are competing bidders. If Pistol Pete decides to extend again before 2028 with the incumbents then we'll get a bad deal.

Either Perth are going to improve the value of the tv deal or not

this is why you shouldn’t bs so much lmao

 

[Wb1234]

The Pre-season challenge added to make people care about trials.

That will have a sponsor by then and ads to the rights.

The NRLW CBA allows for a 20 week comp in coming years.

There will be some sort of International comp post season too.

A NRL game is worth just over $1m to TV. So the new team brings in $30m minimum alone, Not sure location changes much. Given production costs for NZ or Perth

You summed it up previously

1. expanded women’s
2. End of season int comp
3. Pre season
4. Higher ratings due to dolphins / more games

and most importantly

5. Extra game to sell

then there’s the fact that the comp is due for an increase based on economic growth over 8 years

i literally picked a 100 mill increase to not be controversial and get dragged into a tv rights debate

tv rights are going up a lot and the salary cap will be 15 million or higher

top players will be on 2.5 million plus

at that level union can’t compete

let’s see how many players play for pride of jersey then

 

[Te Kaha]

And back to NZ...
Sunday night BIG expose on the Sunday current affairs program about the dangers of concussion caused CTE amongst ANY athlete in Contact sport pay special interest to Rugby, and by extension League.

Exclusive: First NZ rugby player diagnosed with CTE brain disease

"He sacrificed his body and brain for the betterment of his fellow Kiwis.” Sunday's Mark Crysell investigates the head knock crisis in contact sports.

www.1news.co.nz

Monday night Leading news story is about Woman's Rugby's rise and the countdown until we see evidence of concussion based CTE amongst women players.

If anybody thinks this isn't going to cause even furthur drops to Rugby and League playing numbers is kidding themselves.

 

[Pippen94]

And back to NZ...
Sunday night BIG expose on the Sunday current affairs program about the dangers of concussion caused CTE amongst ANY athlete in Contact sport pay special interest to Rugby, and by extension League.

Exclusive: First NZ rugby player diagnosed with CTE brain disease

"He sacrificed his body and brain for the betterment of his fellow Kiwis.” Sunday's Mark Crysell investigates the head knock crisis in contact sports.

www.1news.co.nz

Monday night Leading news story is about Woman's Rugby's rise and the countdown until we see evidence of concussion based CTE amongst women players.

If anybody thinks this isn't going to cause even furthur drops to Rugby and League playing numbers is kidding themselves.

I love NRL but protecting ppl especially children from this type of injury is a good thing

 

[Te Kaha]

I love NRL but protecting ppl especially children from this type of injury is a good thing

It's already causing a drop off in junior player numbers, that will only increase. Dumping a Second NZ team will not improve that situation. Other things need to be done first.

 

[Wb1234]

TikTok - Make Your Day

Wonder where we heard that before

 

[Matua]

TikTok - Make Your Day

Wonder where we heard that before

Why are you watching Tik Toks of young English dudes talking bollocks - they know as much about NZ rugby as you do. You can tell this by the players they mentioned they've never heard of during Super Rugby Aotearoa - they never heard of Love because he was in high school. They'd never heard of Kirifi or Black because they clearly don't follow NZ rugby. One of them said Black will probably be an AB in the future and he's not even playing in NZ anymore.

Their premise is flawed, they're talking about young players coming through being affected by South Africa leaving Super Rugby, but that has nothing to do with the young talent coming through.

Seriously man, your Tik Tok watching is making you worse informed.

 

[The Great Dane]

And back to NZ...
Sunday night BIG expose on the Sunday current affairs program about the dangers of concussion caused CTE amongst ANY athlete in Contact sport pay special interest to Rugby, and by extension League.

Exclusive: First NZ rugby player diagnosed with CTE brain disease

"He sacrificed his body and brain for the betterment of his fellow Kiwis.” Sunday's Mark Crysell investigates the head knock crisis in contact sports.

www.1news.co.nz

Monday night Leading news story is about Woman's Rugby's rise and the countdown until we see evidence of concussion based CTE amongst women players.

If anybody thinks this isn't going to cause even furthur drops to Rugby and League playing numbers is kidding themselves.

Why are you focusing on contact sports?

The only reason that the focus of CTE is on combat and contact sports in the media is because that's the area with the most research and publicity, however CTE is being found in more and more sports every year. In fact it's getting to the point where sports without examples of CTE, or suspected cases of CTE, are becoming rarer than those with them.

Baseball, cricket, cycling, snowboarding, skiing, bobsleigh, motor sports, gymnastics, tennis, etc, etc, etc, all of them have either confirmed cases of CTE, or cases that are as confirmed as they can be until an autopsy can be done.

That's without even discussing subconcussive impacts. Look into them if you not only want to be really freaked out, but want to start to truly understand the extent of the problem.

If the risk of CTE is enough to really significantly impact the contact sports then it's going to effect basically every sport in existence, and bunch of other recreational activities as well.

 

[Perth Red]

Why are you focusing on contact sports?

The only reason that the focus of CTE is on combat and contact sports in the media is because that's the area with the most research and publicity, however CTE is being found in more and more sports every year. In fact it's getting to the point where sports without examples of CTE, or suspected cases of CTE, are becoming rarer than those with them.

Baseball, cricket, cycling, snowboarding, skiing, bobsleigh, motor sports, gymnastics, tennis, etc, etc, etc, all of them have either confirmed cases of CTE, or cases that are as confirmed as they can be until an autopsy can be done.

That's without even discussing subconcussive impacts. Look into them if you not only want to be really freaked out, but want to start to truly understand the extent of the problem.

If the risk of CTE is enough to really significantly impact the contact sports then it's going to effect basically every sport in existence, and bunch of other recreational activities as well.

As usual, people are generally sheep and will be guided by media and their own false perceptions.
The risk is minimal (from what we know so far) in most sports. The high profile courtcases and media scare mongering is causing a perception that isnt born out in reality. You're more likely to develop dementia from lack of physical exercise and isolation than from playing sport!

 

[Perth Red]

Why are you watching Tik Toks of young English dudes talking bollocks - they know as much about NZ rugby as you do. You can tell this by the players they mentioned they've never heard of during Super Rugby Aotearoa - they never heard of Love because he was in high school. They'd never heard of Kirifi or Black because they clearly don't follow NZ rugby. One of them said Black will probably be an AB in the future and he's not even playing in NZ anymore.

Their premise is flawed, they're talking about young players coming through being affected by South Africa leaving Super Rugby, but that has nothing to do with the young talent coming through.

Seriously man, your Tik Tok watching is making you worse informed.

Hes moved on from wiki to tik tok as the source of his 'facts' lol

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

Afl was on the main channel

When was that? And for how long?

In the few years I've been following the ratings, I've rarely seen AFL on Seven's main channel in NSW/QLD.

Same with the Storm on Nine in Vic. Only very occasionally have they made it on to the main channel.

There's a sizeable discrepancy between main and secondary channel ratings. Although the particularities of a game deemed special enough to be upgraded are significant, there are clearly some viewers who will switch on the magic lantern and gawp at whatever happens to be on their preferred main channel. They are less likely to watch something that requires the slightest effort to find. It must take them out of their comfort zone.

It's still the case in the UK that a show moved from BBC 2 to BBC 1 will instantly rate better. Same show, but now on a channel considered more mainstream.

As mentioned in the earlier post, I think the pot of gold for Seven will be if Swans games rate as well in Sydney as their alternative non-sport programming. Enough to make it commercially viable to keep local AFL teams on their main channel. And a regular Friday night Sydney clash would be Swans on Seven against NRL on Nine, both on the respective main channels. Likewise the Lions in Brisbane.

As also mentioned, even if all that went to plan, the flies in the ointment are the Giants and Suns.

 

[Perth Red]

Its not that long ago that NRL was buried on Ch9 at midnight in Vic and WA! And that's if there wasn't golf or something else to show. At least its now live, all be it still buried on a secondary channel. Its a shame we dont have Storm on Ch9 main channel in Melbourne more. I wonder what the viewing audience difference to what ever sht they normally show on a Thurs or Fri night would be?

For our kiwis on here will getting NRL on FTA in NZ be a big opportunity? Like UK SL, being buried on Sky I'm imagining only 25% of the country having access to NRL hasnt been great for its exposure? As we are now seeing on Ch4 with audiences of 1/2million for SL getting FTA is critical for a sports growth.

 

[Wb1234]

Why are you watching Tik Toks of young English dudes talking bollocks - they know as much about NZ rugby as you do. You can tell this by the players they mentioned they've never heard of during Super Rugby Aotearoa - they never heard of Love because he was in high school. They'd never heard of Kirifi or Black because they clearly don't follow NZ rugby. One of them said Black will probably be an AB in the future and he's not even playing in NZ anymore.

Their premise is flawed, they're talking about young players coming through being affected by South Africa leaving Super Rugby, but that has nothing to do with the young talent coming through.

Seriously man, your Tik Tok watching is making you worse informed.

England is the home of union so English union fans would know why super rugby has collapsed

but this is something I said a month ago

 

[Perth Red]

England is the home of union so English union fans would know why super rugby has collapsed

but this is something I said a month ago

Southern England if you dont mind!

 

[Wb1234]

When was that? And for how long?

In the few years I've been following the ratings, I've rarely seen AFL on Seven's main channel in NSW/QLD.

Same with the Storm on Nine in Vic. Only very occasionally have they made it on to the main channel.

There's a sizeable discrepancy between main and secondary channel ratings. Although the particularities of a game deemed special enough to be upgraded are significant, there are clearly some viewers who will switch on the magic lantern and gawp at whatever happens to be on their preferred main channel. They are less likely to watch something that requires the slightest effort to find. It must take them out of their comfort zone.

It's still the case in the UK that a show moved from BBC 2 to BBC 1 will instantly rate better. Same show, but now on a channel considered more mainstream.

As mentioned in the earlier post, I think the pot of gold for Seven will be if Swans games rate as well in Sydney as their alternative non-sport programming. Enough to make it commercially viable to keep local AFL teams on their main channel. And a regular Friday night Sydney clash would be Swans on Seven against NRL on Nine, both on the respective main channels. Likewise the Lions in Brisbane.

As also mentioned, even if all that went to plan, the flies in the ointment are the Giants and Suns.

Ages ago prob 10 years

afl reached its zenith in nsw and qld around that time

it was literally saturation coverage

now it’s gone back to being a nieche sport in both states

To be fair it’s probably overtaken union in nsw and qld overall

 

[Wb1234]

Southern England if you dont mind!

Ok ok southern England

midlands

newcaslte

Manchester

Just ignore a tiny bit that runs along the m62 motorway

 

[Te Kaha]

Why are you focusing on contact sports?

The only reason that the focus of CTE is on combat and contact sports in the media is because that's the area with the most research and publicity, however CTE is being found in more and more sports every year. In fact it's getting to the point where sports without examples of CTE, or suspected cases of CTE, are becoming rarer than those with them.

Baseball, cricket, cycling, snowboarding, skiing, bobsleigh, motor sports, gymnastics, tennis, etc, etc, etc, all of them have either confirmed cases of CTE, or cases that are as confirmed as they can be until an autopsy can be done.

That's without even discussing subconcussive impacts. Look into them if you not only want to be really freaked out, but want to start to truly understand the extent of the problem.

If the risk of CTE is enough to really significantly impact the contact sports then it's going to effect basically every sport in existence, and bunch of other recreational activities as well.

On a League forum discussing Rugby and League and you ask why I am concentrating on Contact sports? In discussion about a country where the national sport is a contact sport... fmd I would have thought that would be obvious.

Its not that a lot of sports are showing concussion caused CTE that's the problem, its currently contact sports are over represented. The reason of course is that there are more chances to get concussed in those sports. And because of this it is being more widely reported, thus causing reduced numbers of kids playing those sports.

 

[Te Kaha]

As usual, people are generally sheep and will be guided by media and their own false perceptions.
The risk is minimal (from what we know so far) in most sports. The high profile courtcases and media scare mongering is causing a perception that isnt born out in reality. You're more likely to develop dementia from lack of physical exercise and isolation than from playing sport!

That is no longer the case. With each new research paper coming out its is showing in sports where there is a lot of concussion there is a direct correlation to brain damage.

 

[Perth Red]

Ok ok southern England

midlands

newcaslte

Manchester

Just ignore a tiny bit that runs along the m62 motorway

Im guessing you've never been to manchester and Newcastle if you think Union has some sort of strong foothold there lol

 

[Perth Red]

That is no longer the case. With each new research paper coming out its is showing in sports where there is a lot of concussion there is a direct correlation to brain damage.

True but if you consider number of participants v number of concussions and then that can be proven to have led directly to CTE, its still tiny.
Like I said having no exercise is far more likely to lead to dementia than playing sport (other than boxing and UFC)