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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

Gobsmacked

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Yes always better to move on when your position is indefensible.
All he was saying was there's a difference between the knowledge of of something at an academic and institution level and it being at the forefront of the general public's concious.
It's been known about for possibly 2 decades, the legal ramifications possibly 1 but it's only been common knowledge for a few years.
Even today probably 1 in 3 people aren't aware.
The average mum isn't into sport and that just wouldn't a topic they're well versed on.
Rugby league has always been a hard sell for over protective parents because ... its Rugby League!
When I played as a kid, nobody really got concussed. The force required for a concussion isn't prevalent at a young age and it would be interesting to see the difference percentage wize of concussion in kids playing compared with adults.

Moving forward Rugby League has wonderful alternatives in touch and tag. The most notable being Benji Marshall who transitioned to full contact at a late age.

For all the talk about Contact sports in decline, going to Basketball and Soccer. I think you find the drop off in League coincides with an uptake in Tag and Touch. Which really means league has lost nothing , perhaps even gained participation.
The main part about participation too is that those who played at a young age are usually fans for life.

We don't need big participation to get the best talent, as this situation unfolds. It seems those who possess those talents aren't lost to the sport .given the fantastic product we have today is testament to that.
Union, that dreadful pile of rubbish doesn't have an alternative..and the loss in participation is just purely a loss. This coincides will the aging demographic of Union fans.
 

Perth Red

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Yes always better to move on when your position is indefensible.
Ok if you want to keep playing how do you explain this stat out of that article? Its much more likely the decline of Rl players in NZ is due to lack of money and strategy in RL and warriors not doing their job in the country than it is people running scared from concussion.

In contrast to the ARL, that organisation's (Auckland RU) senior playing numbers were up 12 per cent this year, while secondary school numbers experienced a small but still notable three per cent rise.

And this article goes into the far more complex socio demographic changes shifting sporting allegiances than just concussion fear

 
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Perth Red

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All he was saying was there's a difference between the knowledge of of something at an academic and institution level and it being at the forefront of the general public's concious.
It's been known about for possibly 2 decades, the legal ramifications possibly 1 but it's only been common knowledge for a few years.
Even today probably 1 in 3 people aren't aware.
The average mum isn't into sport and that just wouldn't a topic they're well versed on.
Rugby league has always been a hard sell for over protective parents because ... its Rugby League!
When I played as a kid, nobody really got concussed. The force required for a concussion isn't prevalent at a young age and it would be interesting to see the difference percentage wize of concussion in kids playing compared with adults.

Moving forward Rugby League has wonderful alternatives in touch and tag. The most notable being Benji Marshall who transitioned to full contact at a late age.

For all the talk about Contact sports in decline, going to Basketball and Soccer. I think you find the drop off in League coincides with an uptake in Tag and Touch. Which really means league has lost nothing , perhaps even gained participation.
The main part about participation too is that those who played at a young age are usually fans for life.

We don't need big participation to get the best talent, as this situation unfolds. It seems those who possess those talents aren't lost to the sport .given the fantastic product we have today is testament to that.
Union, that dreadful pile of rubbish doesn't have an alternative..and the loss in participation is just purely a loss. This coincides will the aging demographic of Union fans.
Exactly, soccer mums have always chosen soccer as a safer option. BAsketball has got popular not because rugby (sic) is unsafe but because courts are now readily available and schools are more and more offering it.

We are fortunate we have a number of variations of the game from touch, flag, nines and full 13 contact. There's literally a risk level and different physical demand for everybody within RL!
 

Te Kaha

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Moving forward Rugby League has wonderful alternatives in touch and tag. The most notable being Benji Marshall who transitioned to full contact at a late age.

Except where touch told League to piss off, like here in NZ,where they don;t want to be associated with League and are loosely aligned with NZR.

Even today probably 1 in 3 people aren't aware.
Of course you have the stats to back that up? of course you don't you're full of shit.

For all the talk about Contact sports in decline, going to Basketball and Soccer. I think you find the drop off in League coincides with an uptake in Tag and Touch. Which really means league has lost nothing , perhaps even gained participation.
The main part about participation too is that those who played at a young age are usually fans for life.

Except it is clearly not since they are moving to Basketball. Especially among Maori and Pacific Islanders who, traditionally, have made up the bulk of League players. So once again you're wrong.


We don't need big participation to get the best talent, as this situation unfolds. It seems those who possess those talents aren't lost to the sport .given the fantastic product we have today is testament to that.
It's a team sport, if you can't field the teams you can't have the sport. And in NZ League is having trouble filling teams.
 

Te Kaha

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Ok if you want to keep playing how do you explain this stat out of that article? Its much more likely the decline of Rl players in NZ is due to lack of money and strategy in RL and warriors not doing their job in the country than it is people running scared from concussion.

In contrast to the ARL, that organisation's (Auckland RU) senior playing numbers were up 12 per cent this year, while secondary school numbers experienced a small but still notable three per cent rise.

And this article goes into the far more complex socio demographic changes shifting sporting allegiances than just concussion fear


And where did i say concussion was the only reason? It's one of many, and it's one that is growing every year.
 

Perth Red

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And where did i say concussion was the only reason? It's one of many, and it's one that is growing every year.
to quote yourself: 'Of course you have the stats to back that up? of course you don't you're full of shit.'

you were making a clear inference that concussion was playing a major part in decision making in jnr sports participation. Or are you now agreeing with me that it MAY actually be quite a minor factor at the moment?
You failed to answer my first question re Auckland RU numbers increasing?
 

Te Kaha

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to quote yourself: 'Of course you have the stats to back that up? of course you don't you're full of shit.'

you were making a clear inference that concussion was playing a major part in decision making in jnr sports participation. Or are you now agreeing with me that it MAY actually be quite a minor factor at the moment?

No I wasn't, in fact I stated quite clearly that it was one of many reasons, I was pointing out however that it is not a new issue like you claim.

You failed to answer my first question re Auckland RU numbers increasing?


Spoiling my fun... I was waiting Gobful to mention it so i could point out once and for all the irrefutable proof his entire thread is wrong. In one article it showed that in the one city in NZ that actually has an NRL team, that his claims that Rugby is dying and that there is no need to spend millions on creating Junior pathways for League players that dumping a 2nd NRL team in a city will do that. That one Article showing the 20% decline in Auckland League juniors and increase in Rugby Juniors shows his entire thread is wrong.
 

Gobsmacked

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No I wasn't, in fact I stated quite clearly that it was one of many reasons, I was pointing out however that it is not a new issue like you claim.




Spoiling my fun... I was waiting Gobful to mention it so i could point out once and for all the irrefutable proof his entire thread is wrong. In one article it showed that in the one city in NZ that actually has an NRL team, that his claims that Rugby is dying and that there is no need to spend millions on creating Junior pathways for League players that dumping a 2nd NRL team in a city will do that. That one Article showing the 20% decline in Auckland League juniors and increase in Rugby Juniors shows his entire thread is wrong.
🤣 for the last 3 years 5 Rugby Union teams have been playing in NZ and 0 League teams have.

Rugby Union is looking at another dismal season with all NZ teams finishing top then the Aus teams and last of all given 0 chance are the pacific nations.
Firstly the pacific nations have no chance . The Aussie clubs are getting smaller and smaller crowds and thier performances are getting worse.
Every year the gap widens.
How long do you think a comp with 5 viable teams will last ?
There's a very small amount of games left where the winner isn't obvious.

Super rugby is on its death bed.
 

Te Kaha

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🤣 for the last 3 years 5 Rugby Union teams have been playing in NZ and 0 League teams have.

Rugby Union is looking at another dismal season with all NZ teams finishing top then the Aus teams and last of all given 0 chance are the pacific nations.
Firstly the pacific nations have no chance . The Aussie clubs are getting smaller and smaller crowds and thier performances are getting worse.
Every year the gap widens.
How long do you think a comp with 5 viable teams will last ?
There's a very small amount of games left where the winner isn't obvious.

Super rugby is on its death bed.


The desperate cry of someone who has been shown that his entire thread is wrong.

Making shit up, hoping its right, when deep down he knows it wont be.... In the only city in NZ where there is an NRL team, League player numbers down, Rugby player numbers... But according to you putting an NRL team in another city will 'deal a massive blow to NZ rugby"... when it hasn't even done that in the largest City with the largest League presence.
 

Gobsmacked

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The desperate cry of someone who has been shown that his entire thread is wrong.

Making shit up, hoping its right, when deep down he knows it wont be.... In the only city in NZ where there is an NRL team, League player numbers down, Rugby player numbers... But according to you putting an NRL team in another city will 'deal a massive blow to NZ rugby"... when it hasn't even done that in the largest City with the largest League presence.
I think you'll just have to watch for yourself
 

Perth Red

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No I wasn't, in fact I stated quite clearly that it was one of many reasons, I was pointing out however that it is not a new issue like you claim.




Spoiling my fun... I was waiting Gobful to mention it so i could point out once and for all the irrefutable proof his entire thread is wrong. In one article it showed that in the one city in NZ that actually has an NRL team, that his claims that Rugby is dying and that there is no need to spend millions on creating Junior pathways for League players that dumping a 2nd NRL team in a city will do that. That one Article showing the 20% decline in Auckland League juniors and increase in Rugby Juniors shows his entire thread is wrong.
and yet you seemed to be implying that the recent drop in numbers is directly related to it. Which is it? Either we've known about concussion for decades and its always stopped people playing OR its got much more focus now and is primary reason for recent increased drop off? You seem confused what argument your trying to make here?

The article also shows your wrong about concussion leading to an eventual death of both rugby codes lol

My assertion all along is RL's problem in NZ are not due to concussion fear but the incredibly small amount of money the NZRL has to do its job along with the Warriors being a generally sht run NRL club for a long time and the ARLC happy to rape the country for talent whilst putting nothing back in.
That report pretty much backs that point of view up. Kids in Auckland are choosing Union over League in increasing numbers, thats the problem, not CTE is going to get you fear mongering.
 

Te Kaha

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and yet you seemed to be implying that the recent drop in numbers is directly related to it. Which is it? Either we've known about concussion for decades and its always stopped people playing OR its got much more focus now and is primary reason for recent increased drop off? You seem confused what argument your trying to make here?
I implied no such thing. I stated on three separate occasions that it is one of the reasons that is stopping Kids playing, and yes it has been known about for decades.

The article also shows your wrong about concussion leading to an eventual death of both rugby codes lol
The article states no such thing. It also doesn't state the amount of work done in the junior ranks to prevent concussion, including the removing of tackling. Which in itself may result in further damage.

My assertion all along is RL's problem in NZ are not due to concussion fear but the incredibly small amount of money the NZRL has to do its job along with the Warriors being a generally sht run NRL club for a long time and the ARLC happy to rape the country for talent whilst putting nothing back in.
And now its you claiming there is a single reason. with no evidence to support that.

That report pretty much backs that point of view up. Kids in Auckland are choosing Union over League in increasing numbers, thats the problem, not CTE is going to get you fear mongering.

And now basic Mathematics is your issue. The decline in League juniors does not correspond to the increase in Rugby Numbers. The difference is mainly in Basketball, you know the non contact sport. And why would that be? nothing to do with concussion according to you.
 

Perth Red

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I implied no such thing. I stated on three separate occasions that it is one of the reasons that is stopping Kids playing, and yes it has been known about for decades.


The article states no such thing. It also doesn't state the amount of work done in the junior ranks to prevent concussion, including the removing of tackling. Which in itself may result in further damage.


And now its you claiming there is a single reason. with no evidence to support that.



And now basic Mathematics is your issue. The decline in League juniors does not correspond to the increase in Rugby Numbers. The difference is mainly in Basketball, you know the non contact sport. And why would that be? nothing to do with concussion according to you.
haha, dodge and weave So weve always been worried about concussion and its always stopped people playing rugby (sic). So why the fear that therell be no contact team sports in 30 years??

Clearly it does, your premise is that an increasing number of jnrs are not playing rugby (sic), what that report claims is that MORE jnrs are playing rugby union in Auckland. It blows your argument out the water.

For RL its a number of reasons, the two I mentioned being the key ones as recognised by the AuckRL and what they are trying to do to address.

Is it more likely the recent RL drop is due to concussion, which according to you has been a known issue for decades, or neglect by RL to have strong Jnr programs and reach into schools? If Union Jnr numbers are increasing then clearly fear of concussion isnt a key issue at play here. If it was we would expect to see a drop in both surely?
Like I said Basketball is in vogue with the kids at the moment, part Americanization of the world and part schools having facilities to play it, and easy and low cost option to play.
 

Te Kaha

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haha, dodge and weave So weve always been worried about concussion and its always stopped people playing rugby (sic). So why the fear that therell be no contact team sports in 30 years??

Clearly it does, your premise is that an increasing number of jnrs are not playing rugby (sic), what that report claims is that MORE jnrs are playing rugby union in Auckland. It blows your argument out the water.

20% decrease in juniors playing League, 3% increase in Rugby Juniors, not differentiating between contact and non contact Rugby, after years of decline.
Oh and nice straw man there. please show where i said "So weve always been worried about concussion and its always stopped people playing rugby " or admit you are a liar.

Like I said Basketball is in vogue with the kids at the moment, part Americanization of the world and part schools having facilities to play it, and easy and low cost option to play.

Yeah it's just pure coincidence that in a time of heightened concussion fears that the contact sport has gone down and the non contact one has gone up... another Tui add there, not that you would know what that meant.

 

Wb1234

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Maybe juniors numbers are declining for union and league in mz because nrl clubs are taking so many players

there’s no shortage of kiwi juniors in nrl clubs
 
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Kids in Auckland are choosing Union over League in increasing numbers, thats the problem
Australian NRL clubs make it very clear to young Kiwis that playing Union is the best way to gain their respect.

Play Union to a high level in NZ and you'll have representatives of two codes chasing after you.

Stick to playing junior League and you will likely be ignored. Probably have to relocate at a young age and excel in a League system in Oz before an NRL club will notice your talent.
 

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