New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Te Kaha]

Each club could’ve used that money to buy a ground or build a hotel or invest in property

it wasn’t invested in anything

it was mostly used to cover player wages and taken back to owners for loan repayments

that’s why the clubs are struggling financially now

They used it to get over the Covid years. It means, for the most part, they are able to carry on. And if they can't the RFU can set up a new comp with centrally controlled contracts. An English club comp wont be going anywhere soon.

 

[Te Kaha]

You just walk into every time
Like playing chess with a 2 year old

Now you're trying to dig yourself out

There is nothing to "dig" out of. You haven't made a valid point yet.

The funny part is that the thread started out with him just trying to ignore the problems with Super Rugby and now we're talking bankruptcy in England...
Running around trying to plug holes in the ship
We haven't got around to the legal action happening in France yet..

That's the sign you know your argument has failed. When you bring up irrelevancies.

You started by claiming a second club will "deal a massive blow to NZ Rugby". Now that you have been shown up as someone who doesn't know what he talking about, you deflect. Especially now with Sparks demise there is zero chance of a second club in nZ.

 

[Wb1234]

They used it to get over the Covid years. It means, for the most part, they are able to carry on. And if they can't the RFU can set up a new comp with centrally controlled contracts. An English club comp wont be going anywhere soon.

Well they should’ve cut spending like the nrl did instead of giving away a significant share of revenue into perpetuity lol

im not surprised you think it’s a good idea

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The problem with that is then you are going to have a bunch of 16 to 24 year olds who weren't good enough to play Super Rugby, who may have never played League signed by teams that don't have anywhere near the same training and skill pathways that the Aussie NRL clubs have.
Added to this the inability to sign decent Aussie talent to supplement these "juniors" and you have the makings of a worse team than the Warriors.
Without massive investment into junior pathways and junior coaching for a decade before a new team its going to be a failure. And given the impending demise of contact teams sports even that will probably not be enough.

With the right talent scouts it's possible to identify the best juniors playing school football and sign them to a contract. The ARLC has the money to fund this sort of operation.

 

[Te Kaha]

Well they should’ve cut spending like the nrl did instead of giving away a significant share of revenue into perpetuity lol

im not surprised you think it’s a good idea

There you go again, lying instead of posting fact. It "gave" away a share only while the company remains solvent. If it doesn't and the comp starts again, they don't have those debts and they don't give away any more revenue.

 

[Te Kaha]

With the right talent scouts it's possible to identify the best juniors playing school football and sign them to a contract. The ARLC has the money to fund this sort of operation.

And you don't think NZR is already doing that with the best talent? Talent that is already learning the game, has proper structures and pathways in place and not having to move to Aussie to learn.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It’s clear that Rugby Union is bigger than league in NZ and England and by a significant margin. I wouldn’t even think that would be arguable

The Super League draws better television ratings than the RU club competition, but the latter pulls better attendances. At the Test level RU is a behemoth in England whereas our game struggles.

 

[Gobsmacked]

There is nothing to "dig" out of. You haven't made a valid point yet.





That's the sign you know your argument has failed. When you bring up irrelevancies.

You started by claiming a second club will "deal a massive blow to NZ Rugby". Now that you have been shown up as someone who doesn't know what he talking about, you deflect. Especially now with Sparks demise there is zero chance of a second club in nZ.

You see Rugby league as a threat.
And you've now argued for 22 pages.
Every meltdown is more evidence.

I'm going to go over all the obvious reasons again like a broken record because you choose to ignore them.

I think you're very nervous about the upcoming Super Rugby season. Viewers have declined massively and the let's face it, failure of the Fiji side and PI sides that lack any meaningful contests or revenue, Australian teams mostly behind the pace and talk of dropping a side because the talent pool isn't big enough.
It's looking like a few New Zealand sides playing each other is about all that's left . This poor comp is on life support...
Meanwhile Rugby league is booming! More revenue, more talent, more teams. That booming game is on your doorstep...
Once it jumps the fence, Super Rugby's f**ked.
Maybe the Highlanders, Crusaders ect will see the writing on the wall and put together a bid to join the NRL

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

And you don't think NZR is already doing that with the best talent? Talent that is already learning the game, has proper structures and pathways in place and not having to move to Aussie to learn.

New Zealand's juniors are currently poached by Australian NRL clubs. Jason Taumololo was scouted by the Cowboys and brought to Townsville as a teenager. A second or third New Zealand club could do this without the need to move to Australia.

We've currently got each club getting $5m over the salary cap to run their football operations. That's $85m per annum wasted on clubs. This was brought in to bail out small clubs, most of which are based in Sydney and have no room to grow. If we got rid of Sydney's smallest clubs then we could divert this money into developing junior pathways in New Zealand and Australia. It won't happen because the game is run for the benefit of Sydney clubs, but if Mary MacKillop performed a miracle from her grave and made it a reality then it would provide strong competition with NZR for New Zealand's best juniors.

 

[Te Kaha]

You see Rugby league as a threat.
And you've now argued for 22 pages.
Every meltdown is more evidence.

I'm going to go over all the obvious reasons again like a broken record because you choose to ignore them.

I think you're very nervous about the upcoming Super Rugby season. Viewers have declined massively and the let's face it, failure of the Fiji side and PI sides that lack any meaningful contests or revenue, Australian teams mostly behind the pace and talk of dropping a side because the talent pool isn't big enough.
It's looking like a few New Zealand sides playing each other is about all that's left . This poor comp is on life support...
Meanwhile Rugby league is booming! More revenue, more talent, more teams. That booming game is on your doorstep...
Once it jumps the fence, Super Rugby's f**ked.
Maybe the Highlanders, Crusaders ect will see the writing on the wall and put together a bid to join the NRL

What a load of garbage.

Failure of Fiji and PI after a single season? Are you really that stupid? Don't answer that it's self evident.
You are so far behind the news its not funny. Funding and team numbers are secure for the next 7 years. No Aussie teams will be cut. In that time RA gets additional funding from a Lions tour and world cup. As long as they don't go down the path of signing League players at exorbitant prices for zero return they should be fine.

Your claim of rugby viewership declining ignores the fact that NRL viewership has declined more.

And with no way to fund a second NZ team with less NZ tv money, it would be up to the NRL to fund it meaning less money for the existing clubs. I'm sure they will like that.
There are no credible bids. There is no money, there are not enough juniors. Yet a second club will be a good idea...

 

[Te Kaha]

New Zealand's juniors are currently poached by Australian NRL clubs. Jason Taumololo was scouted by the Cowboys and brought to Townsville as a teenager. A second or third New Zealand club could do this without the need to move to Australia.

We've currently got each club getting $5m over the salary cap to run their football operations. That's $85m per annum wasted on clubs. This was brought in to bail out small clubs, most of which are based in Sydney and have no room to grow. If we got rid of Sydney's smallest clubs then we could divert this money into developing junior pathways in New Zealand and Australia. It won't happen because the game is run for the benefit of Sydney clubs, but if Mary MacKillop performed a miracle from her grave and made it a reality then it would provide strong competition with NZR for New Zealand's best juniors.

Except there isn't enough juniors for a second let alone third club. There are no junior pathways to get juniors up to standard outside of Australia.
The warriors have tried for 27 years with the entire junior system concentrating in Auckland and they are going backwards.
Its really simple. without the investment in junior pathways there not even enough juniors for one club let alone 2 or 3. Domestic League in NZ is dying fast. That's not including the fact that less and less teenagers are staying in team contact sports. And given Basketball is now the prefered sport of PI and Maori youth that may never change.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Except there isn't enough juniors for a second let alone third club. There are no junior pathways to get juniors up to standard outside of Australia.
The warriors have tried for 27 years with the entire junior system concentrating in Auckland and they are going backwards.
Its really simple. without the investment in junior pathways there not even enough juniors for one club let alone 2 or 3. Domestic League in NZ is dying fast. That's not including the fact that less and less teenagers are staying in team contact sports. And given Basketball is now the prefered sport of PI and Maori youth that may never change.

That's why it would require significant investment from the ARLC, which won't happen any time soon.

 

[Te Kaha]

That's why it would require significant investment from the ARLC, which won't happen any time soon.

They haven't done it in the 30 years since the Warriors were announced, they wont start now.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

They haven't done it in the 30 years since the Warriors were announced, they wont start now.

They'll never do it because they only care about the interests of Sydney. Our game is doomed to decline into a niche product due to Sydney RL placing its interests ahead of the game.

 

[Wb1234]

This exact same argument is being made by English fans on another forum with the nrl salary cap rising to 12.1 million

 

[Perth Red]

With the club grants predicted to go up significantly it does make investing in an nrl club far more attractive. Owners can actually make money now if well run. Will be Interesting to see how that might change club ownership in the future and if we see a lot more interest in private bids for new clubs.

 

[Wb1234]

Huge opportunity for major Super League signings as rival competition "heads for disaster" - Serious About Rugby League

Time and again Super League has lost star players to rugby union. Kyle Eastmond was the brightest young star in Super League till he left for rugby union, Chris Ashton of Wigan Warriors did the same prior to him. Even young players like Callum McLelland left Castleford Tigers for rugby union in...

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With the nrl salary cap now above the Gallagher premiership for the first time raids on any union talent is on the cards

indeed with the nz warriors now receiving close to 18 million in funding from the arlc surely this makes them the richest nz rugby club ?

 

[Gobsmacked]

Huge opportunity for major Super League signings as rival competition "heads for disaster" - Serious About Rugby League

Time and again Super League has lost star players to rugby union. Kyle Eastmond was the brightest young star in Super League till he left for rugby union, Chris Ashton of Wigan Warriors did the same prior to him. Even young players like Callum McLelland left Castleford Tigers for rugby union in...

www.seriousaboutrl.com

With the nrl salary cap now above the Gallagher premiership for the first time raids on any union talent is on the cards

indeed with the nz warriors now receiving close to 18 million in funding from the arlc surely this makes them the richest nz rugby club ?

That really puts things into perspective.
New Zealand warriors are the richest Rugby club in NZ.
Another team would simply be #2
Undeniable.

Check this out.. even Rugby Union knows its too slow and boring...

World Rugby introduces guidelines to speed up game

Shot clocks could become commonplace to speed up penalties and conversions from January 1.

www.rugby.com.au

 

[Gobsmacked]

Meltdown imminent in 3....2....

 

[Wb1234]

Meltdown imminent in 3....2....

He’s probably scouring total rugby league trying to find the thread where they say league is going to take over in nz (I never said which one it was)