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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

Te Kaha

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That which is "is an alternate format of Touch Football," would clearly qualify, since it isn't touch. And those participation figures would count in your dick measuring contest. Doesn't change the fact they still aren't actually playing league. And while it may look good for marketing, all it does is hide the truth.
 

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That which is "is an alternate format of Touch Football," would clearly qualify, since it isn't touch. And those participation figures would count in your dick measuring contest. Doesn't change the fact they still aren't actually playing league. And while it may look good for marketing, all it does is hide the truth.
NRL touch Premiership...🤣
 

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Too be fair, what is the actual point of juicing your participation numbers? Bragging rights? That's really all it is .
So the AFL pay a bunch of executives to get participation numbers up... they find a way to make it look like they're doing a great job and keep their job..
So what, the NRL aren't paying people to bullshit? Great.
Govt funding. Council allocation of playing fields. Public and corporate perception of popularity of a sport. Plenty of reasons you’d want to be in the top 5!
 
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If it’s got a ptb then it’s league

only an idiot would argue otherwise
6 tackles, ptb, invented by league. laughable to say it isnt just a variant of league like nines, flag, wheelchair rl etc

the only reason it doesn’t carry the title ‘rugby league touch’ and run by the arlc is because in true rl style our administration didnt have the sense and the vision to ensure it remained closely aligned with the governing body Many moons ago. A situation thankfully Dave smith began rectifying back in 2013
 

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6 tackles, ptb, invented by league. laughable to say it isnt just a variant of league like nines, flag, wheelchair rl etc

the only reason it doesn’t carry the title ‘rugby league touch’ and run by the arlc is because in true rl style our administration didnt have the sense and the vision to ensure it remained closely aligned with the governing body Many moons ago. A situation thankfully Dave smith began rectifying back in 2013

Then League is just a "variant" of Rugby then.

It is it's own sport now. Why would a "variant" need to organise a hybrid comp if it was simply a "variant"?

Even the Austalian Govenrment thinks you are full of shit
https://www.transparency.gov.au/ann...sports-commission/reporting-year/2018-2019-37

Rugby League0425,000375,000800,000
Touch Football0721,094145,000866,094

What is not there... RL 9's.
 
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Then League is just a "variant" of Rugby then.

It is it's own sport now. Why would a "variant" need to organise a hybrid comp if it was simply a "variant"?

Even the Austalian Govenrment thinks you are full of shit
https://www.transparency.gov.au/ann...sports-commission/reporting-year/2018-2019-37

Rugby League0425,000375,000800,000
Touch Football0721,094145,000866,094

What is not there... RL 9's.
By that logic Rugby is just a variant of soccer.
it only sits seperate as rl administration is historically dumb and didn’t keep it under its management. Though seeing how it’s thrived an$ how sht rl management is that’s probably no bad thing
 

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By that logic Rugby is just a variant of soccer.
it only sits seperate as rl administration is historically dumb and didn’t keep it under its management. Though seeing how it’s thrived an$ how sht rl management is that’s probably no bad thing
Soccer originally allowed handling the ball so spot on
 

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6 tackles, ptb, invented by league. laughable to say it isnt just a variant of league like nines, flag, wheelchair rl etc

the only reason it doesn’t carry the title ‘rugby league touch’ and run by the arlc is because in true rl style our administration didnt have the sense and the vision to ensure it remained closely aligned with the governing body Many moons ago. A situation thankfully Dave smith began rectifying back in 2013
They shouldn’t have allowed whoever started the comp to do it but tbf it’s grown the game a lot
 

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By that logic Rugby is just a variant of soccer.
it only sits seperate as rl administration is historically dumb and didn’t keep it under its management. Though seeing how it’s thrived an$ how sht rl management is that’s probably no bad thing

Exactly, its stupid Logic. They are separate sports. Whatever the reason it is separate, the salient point is that it is, and thus can not be used to boost participation stats.

To say that Touch is NOT a derivative of League, is one cooked take.

To comment on something that has not been stated is a bit stupid.
 
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When Super Rugby reaches its inevitable demise how will Australia and NZ hold onto thier talent ?
If both countries have a domestic competition, let's say 10 teams, based on current television money each team would have a cap of about 2m ?
Top 14, Japan and the NRL would be able to offer players 5 x what the domestic comps would pay them.
Is a youngster going to take much less pay to one day hopefully play for the All Blacks or Wallabies ? Or take the big money elsewhere.
Australia and New Zealand might need to close down Super Rugby and apply for entry into the Japanese competition. Whether the Japanese Rugby Union will accept our teams into their competition is hard to say.
 
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They also Big Bashed it. It used to be a short season that didn't interfer with any of the International Rugby, then they kept adding more and more weeks to the season.
The NRC/ARC competition they added to the end of the season has created a lot of division. The club teams from Brisbane and Sydney don't want to be relegated down to the fourth tier of the game.
 

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Whose the winger the storm got he played sevens for nz union

he had a good game tonight his nrl stats are good
 

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By that logic Rugby is just a variant of soccer.
it only sits seperate as rl administration is historically dumb and didn’t keep it under its management. Though seeing how it’s thrived an$ how sht rl management is that’s probably no bad thing
Rugby was codified before soccer and both developed largely independently from mob football and the various public school games.

The Webb Ellis story is a myth, that comes from a single source that recorded it 6 years after Ellis' death, and the story doesn't add up. Ellis wasn't a pupil at Rugby at the time the event supposedly occurred, and codified rugby takes rules from multiple school's games where it was legal to handle the ball.

The term football predates both codes and actually drives from games played on foot as opposed to games played on horseback, and not games played with the feet. Many, probably even most, mob football games were played carrying the ball and not with your feet as well.

In other words Rugby isn't a variant of soccer and soccer isn't a variant of Rugby, both were conglomerates of multiple public school games, that each developed independently with influence from local mob football games, with the purpose of creating sets of rules that could be used for interschool competition and to create organisations for the general public (largely the alumni of the schools at the time) to hold competitions outside of the schools.
 
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True but if AFL can get away with including all variants in participation number then RL needs to get its act together and advocate for the same. We are stronger together after all and touch is a genuine form of RL. Together RL would be around 5th place in participation tables , not missing top ten all together. That's massive when it comes to lobbying for grassroots funding.
They wish that was still true. Their self reported numbers were very dodgy in the past, but they've been thoroughly cleaned up in the last decade. The lower levels of Auskick, that are basically skills classes for toddlers, don't count at all anymore for example, and you have to attend a certain amount of higher level ones before you're counted as a participant as well.

Now, sure, they could still be fudging their numbers to some degree, but any and all sports could be fudging their numbers in similar ways, and at this point their numbers have been independently verified by multiple groups over the years whom all come to similar conclusions. In other words, it'd have required a conspiracy and/or them to pay off a lot of people for them to be fudging their numbers in a significant manner, and there's zero evidence for that. The same baseless accusations can, and are, made about any and every sport as well.
 

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