New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Gobsmacked]

Petals can we please stop all this masculinity talk. I'm a homosexual man that's struggled with my masculinity for years and years. Until one day I told myself "Victor, stop being a silly billy and accept your a homosexual". It was the greatest day of my life but my mother and step father cried all afternoon. That night was hard but the next day I visited a place called Arrows, a gay bathhouse in parramatta. After cleaning myself up I noticed a parramatta player in the carpark. We talked for hours whilst crying and laughing. He told me his coming out story and I become a parramatta fanboy. So petals please don't fight and enjoy this forum
Ps I know you all are dying to know the players name. Here are a few clues, he's a winger that played during the early 2000's and had a very odd international team.

The only thing that I hate about gay people is everything is about being gay...
I was talking to this man in a bar here in LA last night and he had to work mentioning his husband into the conversation just to let me know..
Why, why would I need to know?
why do they think it's relevant to everything?
Like you have to say petal.. a woman wouldn't even say that.
And you think this conversation is masculine or some bs . It's just a conversation, it has nothing to do with gender.
Your identity isn't your sexual preference ffs.

We don't care.
You realised your gay, great! Move on .

 

[The Great Dane]

You really don't have a clue you muppet. Scrums do not cause concussion. Tackles do.

In League a tackle that "slips up" and hits the head can still cause concussion., but its allowed. In Rugby it no longer is. A class action for "personal injury" i.e. concussion caused CTE will cripple the NRL. It's one thing that can't happen in NZ.

The most current studies show that pretty much any contact, even the most minimal, can cause small concussions, and that multiple of those small concussions over an extended period can cause CTE problems just as severe as multiple big concussions can. The famous example is heading the ball in soccer can cause CTE, and I have no doubt that contact from engaging in a scrums alone is enough to cause CTE if that level of contact repeatedly over an extended period is enough to cause CTE.

They're starting to find cases of CTE in basically every major sport that they've cared to look. They've found evidence of CTE potentially occurring in literally everything from the major combat sports, to low contact sports like netball, and sports with generally little to no physical contact like baseball and cricket. There's even been suggestions that people might be getting CTE in sports with no contact at all, like motor sports and some extreme sports, simply from the act of stopping or changing direction suddenly at high speeds (though that needs much more research).

The problem with the research ATM is that we've barely scratched the surface of the subject and the funding literally doesn't exist to study all these things at once, but the point remains; restrictions on sport as a result of CTE will not stop at the combat and contact sports if society allows such restrictions happen at all.

At this point I'd be surprised if they didn't find potential cases of CTE in things like, e.g., dancing, gymnastics, and figure skating, etc, just from people falling over repetitively. It really seems like it could be that ubiquitous...

 

[The Great Dane]

And now some ignorant Aussies wants to do more damage to the domestic game by attempting to put a second team here, without doing the work to set up the junior pathways and repair the damage already done. Just because they are running out of juniors of their own.

The only realistic way out of those problems is more NRL sides though...

At this point there's no way that domestic RL competitions in NZ could compete with the NRL and RU for playing talent, they'd just be slowly strangled out of the market as is currently happening. So the only way forward to get that kind of funding and commercial interest back into RL in NZ would be for the NRL (or similarly wealthy vested interest) to expand it's operations there. A top down approach where a professional side, with strong backing and a long term plan, pushes interests and attracts investment that can then be reinvested into the sport at the all levels in the region. Just like what the AFL and NRL have done/are doing in NSW, QLD, and VIC respectively.

Yes, hypothetically, the NZRL could, and should IMO, be searching for the funding and support to run stronger lower tier competitions in NZ where possible, but those hypothetical leagues would have no hope of being commercially competitive in the market with the larger competitions, just like the NPC these days. At best they'd become glorified feeder leagues.

Before you say it; I fully accept that for such growth to be successful in NZ on a national scale it'd require hundreds of millions of dollars to be invested over a period of decades, and at least 4/5 NRL clubs spread across the country, but that is the only realistic way forward if the goal is to significantly increase RL's market share in NZ. Any talk of ground up growth, that eventually results in growth at the professional level, is the talk of old men whom are totally out of touch with the realities of the modern sport and entertainment market.

 

[The Great Dane]

The only thing that I hate about gay people is everything is about being gay...
I was talking to this man in a bar here in LA last night and he had to work mentioning his husband into the conversation just to let me know..
Why, why would I need to know?
why do they think it's relevant to everything?
Like you have to say petal.. a woman wouldn't even say that.
And you think this conversation is masculine or some bs . It's just a conversation, it has nothing to do with gender.
Your identity isn't your sexual preference ffs.

We don't care.
You realised your gay, great! Move on .

Please don't feed the trolls.

 

[Te Kaha]

Hey if you want to spend so much time on a forum with people who clearly like rugby league it’s good for you

you would never catch me a union forum telling them why rugby league is the best lol

Why would anyone go anywhere to state a game "is the best". Only an idiot thinks a game they support is "the best" or is "better" than another. It is a completely subjective thing for every individual. There is no empirical way, no set criteria, no possible way to quantify a game is better than another.

The fact you still claim a game is better than another shows just how big a fool you are.

 

[Te Kaha]

The only realistic way out of those problems is more NRL sides though...

At this point there's no way that domestic RL competitions in NZ could compete with the NRL and RU for playing talent, they'd just be slowly strangled out of the market as is currently happening. So the only way forward to get that kind of funding and commercial interest back into RL in NZ would be for the NRL (or similarly wealthy vested interest) to expand it's operations there. A top down approach where a professional side, with strong backing and a long term plan, pushes interests and attracts investment that can then be reinvested into the sport at the all levels in the region. Just like what the AFL and NRL have done/are doing in NSW, QLD, and VIC respectively.

Yes, hypothetically, the NZRL could, and should IMO, be searching for the funding and support to run stronger lower tier competitions in NZ where possible, but those hypothetical leagues would have no hope of being commercially competitive in the market with the larger competitions, just like the NPC these days. At best they'd become glorified feeder leagues.

Before you say it; I fully accept that for such growth to be successful in NZ on a national scale it'd require hundreds of millions of dollars to be invested over a period of decades, and at least 4/5 NRL clubs spread across the country, but that is the only realistic way forward if the goal is to significantly increase RL's market share in NZ. Any talk of ground up growth, that eventually results in growth at the professional level, is the talk of old men whom are totally out of touch with the realities of the modern sport and entertainment market.

You Aussies still don't get it. It's even passed that. Local clubs are going under, not just out in the provinces, but in the cities as well. Putting an NRL club in a city may help that single city for a time, but it will be at the expense of every other province, city and town in the country.

Same thing has been happening to Rugby, but they at least are trying to stem it. They gave every province a million dollars each this year to invest in local clubs, on infrastructure, on player development, on player retention, on facilities, on debt reduction. Without something similar there will be no players for a new NRL team to call on.

 

[Wb1234]

Why would anyone go anywhere to state a game "is the best". Only an idiot thinks a game they support is "the best" or is "better" than another. It is a completely subjective thing for every individual. There is no empirical way, no set criteria, no possible way to quantify a game is better than another.

The fact you still claim a game is better than another shows just how big a fool you are.

This is obviously before your time but this is what we grew up with

we know what rugby league is capable of

 

[Wb1234]

You Aussies still don't get it. It's even passed that. Local clubs are going under, not just out in the provinces, but in the cities as well. Putting an NRL club in a city may help that single city for a time, but it will be at the expense of every other province, city and town in the country.

Same thing has been happening to Rugby, but they at least are trying to stem it. They gave every province a million dollars each this year to invest in local clubs, on infrastructure, on player development, on player retention, on facilities, on debt reduction. Without something similar there will be no players for a new NRL team to call on.

Bring back the televised under 20s

so that’s where that private equity money is going

seems like union is really struggling at grassroots levels doesn’t it

 

[Gobsmacked]

Why would anyone go anywhere to state a game "is the best". Only an idiot thinks a game they support is "the best" or is "better" than another. It is a completely subjective thing for every individual. There is no empirical way, no set criteria, no possible way to quantify a game is better than another.

The fact you still claim a game is better than another shows just how big a fool you are.

It is the best game of all games.
It has a freakish balance between skills, speed, endurance, power, strength, agility, size big and small.
Each individual has to trade those off for each other to make them the most effective player... they get to big( powerful) they forfeit speed and endurance. Too strong, agility ect..
Anthony Milford was a great example. The Broncos took him and made him too strong which effected his agility ( his best aset)
That the individual's.. then there's the balance of a team... that is crucial! Invest in too much size and your too predictable and become easy to shut down, also become vulnerable to small agile speedy attack.
Then if you are too small bigger sides run though you. The Broncos were guilty of it this year- carried too many small defenders allowed sides to get over the advantage line.

For the individual , it's the greatest test.
For a team it's like preparing an army for war.

As a spectacle, you'll never see so many physical test put on a person at one time and as the mechanics of the team as a whole come together!
Absolutely incredible and far away the greatest game of all !

 

[Wb1234]

It is the best game of all games.
It has a freakish balance between skills, speed, endurance, power, strength, agility, size big and small.
Each individual has to trade those off for each other to make them the most effective player... they get to big( powerful) they forfeit speed and endurance. Too strong, agility ect..
Anthony Milford was a great example. The Broncos took him and made him too strong which effected his agility ( his best aset)
That the individual's.. then there's the balance of a team... that is crucial! Invest in too much size and your too predictable and become easy to shut down, also become vulnerable to small agile speedy attack.
Then if you are too small bigger sides run though you. The Broncos were guilty of it this year- carried too many small defenders allowed sides to get over the advantage line.

For the individual , it's the greatest test.
For a team it's like preparing an army for war.

As a spectacle, you'll never see so many physical test put on a person at one time and as the mechanics of the team as a whole come together!
Absolutely incredible and far away the greatest game of all !

Hey buddy don’t waste time on your holiday with that guy

Ill hold down the fort

Interacting with him will just put a downer on your holiday lol

he not only doesn’t want to see rugby league take market share away from union, he doesn’t even watch the warriors

 

[Te Kaha]

Bring back the televised under 20s

so that’s where that private equity money is going

seems like union is really struggling at grassroots levels doesn’t it

Only a tiny percentage of it is. And they are doing something about it. League is in a worse state, and nothing is being done.

It is the best game of all games.
It has a freakish balance between skills, speed, endurance, power, strength, agility, size big and small.
Each individual has to trade those off for each other to make them the most effective player... they get to big( powerful) they forfeit speed and endurance. Too strong, agility ect..
Anthony Milford was a great example. The Broncos took him and made him too strong which effected his agility ( his best aset)
That the individual's.. then there's the balance of a team... that is crucial! Invest in too much size and your too predictable and become easy to shut down, also become vulnerable to small agile speedy attack.
Then if you are too small bigger sides run though you. The Broncos were guilty of it this year- carried too many small defenders allowed sides to get over the advantage line.

For the individual , it's the greatest test.
For a team it's like preparing an army for war.

As a spectacle, you'll never see so many physical test put on a person at one time and as the mechanics of the team as a whole come together!
Absolutely incredible and far away the greatest game of all !

In your opinion. Which is worth exactly the same as everybody else's. Nothing.

 

[Wb1234]

Only a tiny percentage of it is. And they are doing something about it. League is in a worse state, and nothing is being done.



In your opinion. Which is worth exactly the same as everybody else's. Nothing.

League has the money to turn it around

union doesn’t but I’m shocked to hear union is struggling so much in nz, thanks for the insight

clearly we were right about union being really vulnerable now

 

[siv]

That first line is so fill of unintentional irony. You have yet to get anything right in this thread.

Why would I watch the Warriors? they have been the biggest reason for the decline of domestic League in NZ. The centralisation of talent for the last 25+ years has resulted in the near death of almost every other district in the country.
Forty years? I was playing premier League as an adult forty years ago. I played, administered and refed League and Rugby in Wellington for over 40 years. I have seen first had the damage Aussie League did to the domestic game in NZ.

And now some ignorant Aussies wants to do more damage to the domestic game by attempting to put a second team here, without doing the work to set up the junior pathways and repair the damage already done. Just because they are running out of juniors of their own.

So maybe NZ should return to no NRL clubs so the game can grow in NZ

 

[Wb1234]

So maybe NZ should return to no NRL clubs so the game can grow in NZ

That would be his dream

 

[Te Kaha]

League has the money to turn it around

union doesn’t but I’m shocked to hear union is struggling so much in nz, thanks for the insight

clearly we were right about union being really vulnerable now

Problem is "League" doesn't want to do it The NRL is happy to rape what's there and leave the rest.

And despite you ridiculous assertions, Rugby is in a much better state in NZ than League is.

So maybe NZ should return to no NRL clubs so the game can grow in NZ

Much too late for that now. Will take years and millions of dollars and even that will probably not be enough.

 

[Wb1234]

Problem is "League" doesn't want to do it The NRL is happy to rape what's there and leave the rest.

And despite you ridiculous assertions, Rugby is in a much better state in NZ than League is.



Much too late for that now. Will take years and millions of dollars and even that will probably not be enough.

No super rugby isn’t in a better shape than the nrl

the nzru finances are similarly stretched

that’s why so many all blacks end up leaving for the money overseas.

if union is the biggest sport in nz why are the grassroots struggling

why is there so much debt in regional and lower union bodies

you know when the next tv deal gets done the nrl salary cap will be approx 20 million and there will be 18 teams all desperate for players and going after talented juniors

 

[Te Kaha]

No super rugby isn’t in a better shape than the nrl

the nzru finances are similarly stretched

that’s why so many all blacks end up leaving for the money overseas.

if union is the biggest sport in nz why are the grassroots struggling

why is there so much debt in regional and lower union bodies

you know when the next tv deal gets done the nrl salary cap will be approx 20 million and there will be 18 teams all desperate for players and going after talented juniors

Super Rugby is not Rugby in NZ. You are just too stupid to understand that.

NZR finances are hardly stretched. The last annual report shows just how wrong you are, again. https://www.nzrugby.co.nz/assets/NZR-Group-Financial-Statements.pdf

Rugby is far from the biggest sport in NZ. It is just the most popular.

There isn't "so much debt" in the regional areas, that was covid related and has now been taken care of.

The salary cap is irrelevant. Players pay demands go up to match it. And no club will pay millions a yeah on one player who is unproven at the game. Besides, you have claimed that Rugby players aren't "talented" so it doesn't matter.

And what teenagers know now, and you are too stupid to understand, is Steven Adams gets paid more per year than an entire NRL team. There are pathways now to funnel young Māori and Pacific Islanders into Basketball academies around the country and into US universities. That's where the juniors are now going.

 

[mongoose]

New Zealand gets an NBA player and suddenly all other sports should be shaking in their boots lol... ever heard of Ben Simmons, Andrew Bogut, Patty Mills, Josh Giddy?

 

[Wb1234]

Super Rugby is not Rugby in NZ. You are just too stupid to understand that.

NZR finances are hardly stretched. The last annual report shows just how wrong you are, again. https://www.nzrugby.co.nz/assets/NZR-Group-Financial-Statements.pdf

Rugby id far from the biggest sport in NZ. It is just the most popular.

There isn't "so much debt" in the regional areas, that was covid related and has now been taken care of.

The salary cap is irrelevant. Players pay demands go up to match it. And no club will pay millions a yeah on one player who is unproven at the game. Besides, you have claimed that Rugby players aren't "talented" so it doesn't matter.

And what teenagers know now, and you are too stupid to understand, is Steven Adams gets paid more per year than an entire NRL team. There are pathways now to funnel young Māori and Pacific Islanders into Basketball academies around the country and into US universities. That's where the juniors are now going.

 

[Te Kaha]

New Zealand gets an NBA player and suddenly all other sports should be shaking in their boots lol... ever heard of Ben Simmons, Andrew Bogut, Patty Mills, Josh Giddy?

*sigh*... what is it with Australians and stupidity. Adams isn't the first NZ player in the NBA. He is the first who is spending his millions on establishing academies and scholarships to young Māori and Pacific Islanders.

"All other sports" shouldn't be "shaking in their boots".. just the contact team sports linked to concussion causing CTE.
Basketball is by far and away the fastest growing sport in NZ among Māori and Pacific Islanders. So yes both Rugby codes should be worried about it, and unless they can address the concussion issues both will be dead here with in a few decades.