New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Wb1234]

It’s not that they don’t see playing for the Warriors as a goal- it’s just that there’s no pathway to get there other than the Warriors own development system, and that’s limited because it can’t provide the kids in it with meaningful competitions to play in at that development level. Juniors need to come up playing in competitions where there are well coached, competitive teams playing each other. The Aussie clubs who bring kids over from NZ and send them to places like Keebra Park are in a position to give them a better grounding than the Warriors can in NZ.

There was talk with the new tv deal of more investment in pathways

I read somewhere too that when gould was with the warriors he convinced the arlc to increase funding to the nzrl

somethings wrong with the warriors as a club

look at the side in 2002 all brilliant locals. Talent wise the best of the nrl

where’s that gone

 

[Wb1234]

The u20’s Holden/Toyota cup was a fantastic competition and format to attract and showcase top rugby talent from both predominately league and to a lesser degree union backgrounds.

The live coverage of games before the senior grade mens NRL games was also a great selling point and plus for the competition.

They should bring it back and spice it up even further by adding new teams from NZ South Island, PNG hunters, kaiviti silktails and Western Australia.

Yeh even the union kids wanted to play it for the exposure

big mistake cutting it off

 

[Wb1234]

Warriors outline new-look pathways system

After having their junior pathways halted by the pandemic, the Warriors are looking to rebuild their systems with a range of new development strands.

www.nrl.com

 

[SpaceMonkey]

There was talk with the new tv deal of more investment in pathways

I read somewhere too that when gould was with the warriors he convinced the arlc to increase funding to the nzrl

somethings wrong with the warriors as a club

look at the side in 2002 all brilliant locals. Talent wise the best of the nrl

where’s that gone

It’s a whole bunch of things, not just one.
the Toyota Cup being canned
Previous club ownership being tight fisted with funds
Revolving door of coaching and football management
And Covid killing off pretty much everything but first grade just to keep the club alive. There’s a bunch of things that need rebuilding.

 

[Matua]

There was talk with the new tv deal of more investment in pathways

I read somewhere too that when gould was with the warriors he convinced the arlc to increase funding to the nzrl

somethings wrong with the warriors as a club

look at the side in 2002 all brilliant locals. Talent wise the best of the nrl

where’s that gone

There's always been an undercurrent of "we need Aussie professionals to balance out the, ahem, jungle ball tendencies of NZ players" - well we've had that experiment now and the team is crap and the fans jumped off the train.

The Warriors are just a journeyman magnet.

 

[Wb1234]

There's always been an undercurrent of "we need Aussie professionals to balance out the, ahem, jungle ball tendencies of NZ players" - well we've had that experiment now and the team is crap and the fans jumped off the train.

The Warriors are just a journeyman magnet.

Jungle ball almost won them a grand final till Richard villasante headbutted Fittler

warriors will never beat Aussie teams playing boring Aussie footy

attacking offloads are something Aussie teams can not handle

just like the kiwis did very successfully for 40 minutes against the kangaroos in the World Cup

 

[Pippen94]

All blacks & rugby dead yet?! Get them to cancel next world cup..

 

[Perth Red]

The u20’s Holden/Toyota cup was a fantastic competition and format to attract and showcase top rugby talent from both predominately league and to a lesser degree union backgrounds.

The live coverage of games before the senior grade mens NRL games was also a great selling point and plus for the competition.

They should bring it back and spice it up even further by adding new teams from NZ South Island, PNG hunters, kaiviti silktails and Western Australia.

Was it cut because of cost or because of pressure on young men? Seems to be conflicting reports on why it got canned?

 

[bad boy bubby]

You're overstating the have to be ABs to earn a living a bit. If that was actually the case we wouldn't be able to form any teams in Super Rugby or the NPC. Yet there are 5 Super Squads, WTG, and back up players, and then 14 NPC teams. Even a small province like mine, Hawkes Bay, has a majority of Super players so they're getting their main money there and the NPC is an add on.

As I've said previously in this thread the boom time for snatching up rugby players was when the Holden Cup was running as young guys under 20 could get a little bit of money as opposed to no money.

To give a little bit of perspective, Tohu Harris signed with the Storm after he was not offered an Academy spot with Hawkes Bay. Obviously it was clearly the right decision, I think his style is more suited to league, but I think it's reminder to not take it for granted that young rugby players all will switch to league.

No. 1- I was only referring to what I've read in this thread in regards to All Blacks, payments etc. I have no idea how much a Super Rugby player in NZ gets. Give me a scope of those payments please.

No.2 - I never said "all" players would switch to League, I said a lot can play League.
Big difference.
No use replying to a post if you are going to change the context.

 

[Matua]

No. 1- I was only referring to what I've read in this thread in regards to All Blacks, payments etc. I have no idea how much a Super Rugby player in NZ gets. Give me a scope of those payments please.

No.2 - I never said "all" players would switch to League, I said a lot can play League.
Big difference.
No use replying to a post if you are going to change the context.

Huh, what are you on about, I didn't change any context? I didn't say you said all players would switch at all so not sure why you're getting pissy. I was just giving some perspective using a current well known player as an example.

Re: No. 1 - The average Super player would currently earn less than an average NRL player (I think it's $371k). The most they can get paid is $195k* and the minimum is $75k. But there are 3rd party deals and NPC salary to add on to that - which the maximum is $55k* (plus two veteran players can earn $85k) . A guy I know in the Hawkes Bay Magpies is on the max for NPC and Super and has a local sponsorship deal, so he's on around $300k. He also made two "representative" teams (not the ABs) so got money for that as well. He turned down a French deal recently that was worth the equivalent of $530k.

* Both NPC and Super they have incentives so if they've been playing NPC for 4 years they get an extra $5k, 5 years $7.5k over the maximum. Super rugby is 3-4 years extra $12.5k, 5 years extra $35k.

If you want one salary all year round then NRL is the way to go. As you can see above NZ rugby is not simple, with different payments for the two main comps etc.

 

[bad boy bubby]

Huh, what are you on about, I didn't change any context? I didn't say you said all players would switch at all so not sure why you're getting pissy. I was just giving some perspective using a current well known player as an example.

Re: No. 1 - The average Super player would currently earn less than an average NRL player (I think it's $371k). The most they can get paid is $195k* and the minimum is $75k. But there are 3rd party deals and NPC salary to add on to that - which the maximum is $55k* (plus two veteran players can earn $85k) . A guy I know in the Hawkes Bay Magpies is on the max for NPC and Super and has a local sponsorship deal, so he's on around $300k. He also made two "representative" teams (not the ABs) so got money for that as well. He turned down a French deal recently that was worth the equivalent of $530k.

* Both NPC and Super they have incentives so if they've been playing NPC for 4 years they get an extra $5k, 5 years $7.5k over the maximum. Super rugby is 3-4 years extra $12.5k, 5 years extra $35k.

If you want one salary all year round then NRL is the way to go. As you can see above NZ rugby is not simple, with different payments for the two main comps etc.

I'm not pissy, once again taking a post out of context.
By those figures the players definitely have an alternative option to play NRL, if they are capable of course.
And why wouldn't they? A better average pay, with payments on the rise, more 3rd party opportunities, and the chance to play against the best "Rugby" players in the best "Rugby" competition in the world.
The NRL will continue to raid-away on NZRU juniors, and maybe the All Blacks will go from 3rd in the world to be competing with the Wobbilies at 6th.
Good result all round, for everyone.

 

[Te Kaha]

I'm not pissy, once again taking a post out of context.
By those figures the players definitely have an alternative option to play NRL, if they are capable of course.
And why wouldn't they? A better average pay, with payments on the rise, more 3rd party opportunities, and the chance to play against the best "Rugby" players in the best "Rugby" competition in the world.
The NRL will continue to raid-away on NZRU juniors, and maybe the All Blacks will go from 3rd in the world to be competing with the Wobbilies at 6th.
Good result all round, for everyone.

Because like the other Australians in the the thread your opinion that they would think they are playing against "the best "Rugby" players in the best "Rugby" competition in the world." isn't universal. Playing for the All Blacks, Playing in the World Cup, winning a World Cup, may be considered by them to be "playing against the best "Rugby" players in the best "Rugby" competition in the world". And then they can earn more overseas at the end of their careers than they would in the NRL, for longer.

The real funny thing in this thread is that apparently Rugby players are inferior, yet Rugby juniors in NZ are considered superior to League juniors here. And RTS, the Kiwis captain, one of the best fullbacks in the NRL, who took a huge pay cut when he switched to play in the world cup, doesn't look like he will be good enough to make it. Yet when he switches back he will walk into and start in ANY NRL team. And lets not forget six game Benji, 6 games, 1 start, released and the next year was 2nd in the Dally M.

It's funny how myopic Australian League fans are. They think just because they believe something, everybody else does as well.

 

[bad boy bubby]

Because like the other Australians in the the thread your opinion that they would think they are playing against "the best "Rugby" players in the best "Rugby" competition in the world." isn't universal. Playing for the All Blacks, Playing in the World Cup, winning a World Cup, may be considered by them to be "playing against the best "Rugby" players in the best "Rugby" competition in the world". And then they can earn more overseas at the end of their careers than they would in the NRL, for longer.

The real funny thing in this thread is that apparently Rugby players are inferior, yet Rugby juniors in NZ are considered superior to League juniors here. And RTS, the Kiwis captain, one of the best fullbacks in the NRL, who took a huge pay cut when he switched to play in the world cup, doesn't look like he will be good enough to make it. Yet when he switches back he will walk into and start in ANY NRL team. And lets not forget six game Benji, 6 games, 1 start, released and the next year was 2nd in the Dally M.

It's funny how myopic Australian League fans are. They think just because they believe something, everybody else does as well.

Nah, we just don't buy into the myth of the All Blacks.
Union is a boring game. Rugby League is doing those kids a favour by getting them out of it.

 

[Wb1234]

Nah, we just don't buy into the myth of the All Blacks.
Union is a boring game. Rugby League is doing those kids a favour by getting them out of it.

Nailed it

the warriors are playing the best rugby players on the planet week in week out

the all blacks are playing the absolute dregs of Australian rugby players

it’s obvious the nrl is the flagship club rugby competition on the planet

even all blacks players express their admiration for our sport

 

[Te Kaha]

Nah, we just don't buy into the myth of the All Blacks.
Union is a boring game. Rugby League is doing those kids a favour by getting them out of it.

Of course you don't but those players do. That's kind of the point missed on you.

Nailed it

the warriors are playing the best rugby players on the planet week in week out

the all blacks are playing the absolute dregs of Australian rugby players

it’s obvious the nrl is the flagship club rugby competition on the planet

even all blacks players express their admiration for our sport

And there you have it. Australian League fans think there opinions are universal, and accurate.

 

[bad boy bubby]

Of course you don't but those players do. That's kind of the point missed on you.



And there you have it. Australian League fans think there opinions are universal, and accurate.

I am certainly not missing any point, in fact I think my points are hitting the exact spots I want them to.

 

[Te Kaha]

I am certainly not missing any point, in fact I think my points are hitting the exact spots I want them to.

Clearly you are. But you're not the first on here and you wont be the last. You believe your opinion is universal, it it not.

 

[bad boy bubby]

Clearly you are. But you're not the first on here and you wont be the last. You believe your opinion is universal, it it not.

Hmmm, you obviously cannot see that my point was to hit a nerve, and hit it I did.
I'm just disappointed that I never got another essay in reply.

 

[Te Kaha]

Hmmm, you obviously cannot see that my point was to hit a nerve, and hit it I did.
I'm just disappointed that I never got another essay in reply.

You're point is irrelevant. If you just want to troll, fine do it. But you are still missing the point.

 

[mongoose]

Because like the other Australians in the the thread your opinion that they would think they are playing against "the best "Rugby" players in the best "Rugby" competition in the world." isn't universal. Playing for the All Blacks, Playing in the World Cup, winning a World Cup, may be considered by them to be "playing against the best "Rugby" players in the best "Rugby" competition in the world". And then they can earn more overseas at the end of their careers than they would in the NRL, for longer.

The real funny thing in this thread is that apparently Rugby players are inferior, yet Rugby juniors in NZ are considered superior to League juniors here. And RTS, the Kiwis captain, one of the best fullbacks in the NRL, who took a huge pay cut when he switched to play in the world cup, doesn't look like he will be good enough to make it. Yet when he switches back he will walk into and start in ANY NRL team. And lets not forget six game Benji, 6 games, 1 start, released and the next year was 2nd in the Dally M.

It's funny how myopic Australian League fans are. They think just because they believe something, everybody else does as well.

we get it, you hate League and don't want it played in New Zealand....

you are posting on a Rugby League expansion forum though