New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[siv]

What would happen if NZ2 were the Auckland Islanders?

 

[Iamback]

What would happen if NZ2 were the Auckland Islanders?

It will be a team in a new market.

Eating into the Warriors base makes no sense

 

[Colk]

GC had success early on and dropped the ball with development.

Warriors were decent enough while NYC was running. Like GC dropped the ball.

Both those clubs have no juniors so have to develop from other areas. They are able to use elite junior comps for those players.

That same option NZ2 has. Ideally they link up with the Fiji team in Ron Massey Cup aswell to increase the player pool.

That is not an argument against what I said. They have the money, administration and the scouting to succeed. Having a good front office and proper resources is better than having a junior area but not having any money to do anything with it (refer Newcastle and Gold Coast)

 

[Colk]

Looking at your Questions any new bid will struggle with all of those.

The 9th game alone will make any new area viable. Especially one in a new timeslot so that cancels that out.

Team 18 won't be Brisbane. So the other options all will struggle to attract talent due to distance from family etc.

Should it go to NZ or PI, Australian corporates likely struggle to get onboard. Though if it is a side with international players then that could cancel out if revenue comes in from elsewhere.

Given as above no new market will attract top end talent. Where is best to develop talent is top of my list.

Warriors went from 36 players, They will now have over 60. Another side is more opportunities for those dual code playing schoolboys to get into NRL. While staying at home

Fair points.

I don’t think team 18 will be in Brisbane either but again I would never totally bet against the conservatism of the sport.

On the viability side, I just don’t think that a) Australian broadcasters will pay a lot for a Kiwi side considering the ratings that the Warriors get over here (they are consistently the lowest rating side over here) b) the NZ economy just doesn’t have a massive corporate base. The GDP of both Western Australia and Queensland would be higher than NZ.

 

[Colk]

What would happen if NZ2 were the Auckland Islanders?

There’s no point in expanding into areas where you already have sides. The whole point of expansion would be not to detract or have a negative impact on existing sides

 

[Brian potter]

What would happen if NZ2 were the Auckland Islanders?

It would be a waste of a NRL franchise place.

 

[Wb1234]

What would happen if NZ2 were the Auckland Islanders?

Didn’t they add an islander side to the super rugby playing in nz

seems to have been a dud

 

[Wb1234]

Two Auckland rugby league sides would only ever happen if the sport took over as number one and that’s a long way off

if that did happen then you could potentially have four at most nz nrl sides

the interesting thing would be if league does take off and some of the existing nz super rugby sides start up a league team or breakaway and join the nrl

 

[Wb1234]

That is not an argument against what they said. They have the money, administration and the scouting to succeed. Having a good front office and proper resources is better than having a junior area but not having any money to do anything with it (refer Newcastle and Gold Coast)

Both Newcastle and Gold Coast have rich owners

it’s just poor football departments

esp the Gold Coast the area is a gold mine for juniors

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

That my issue for NZ2

Does the business case stack up?

Investing $35 mil in NZ will mean they will need $50 mil in NZ TV rights

The business case for nine Sydney clubs doesn't stack up.

 

[Brian potter]

Didn’t they add an islander side to the super rugby playing in nz

seems to have been a dud

Which was very predictable.

 

[Brian potter]

The business case for nine Sydney clubs doesn't stack up.

I would tend to agree with you in terms of an oversaturated market but the argument I keep hearing from people in both Australia and Sydney is that there’s more corporate dollars in Sydney than for example Wollongong, gosford, Christchurch and PNG etc.

 

[siv]

I would tend to agree with you in terms of an oversaturated market but the argument I keep hearing from people in both Australia and Sydney is that there’s more corporate dollars in Sydney than for example Wollongong, gosford, Christchurch and PNG etc.

That will be fine as almost all Corporates have HQs based in Sydney

 

[Wb1234]

I would tend to agree with you in terms of an oversaturated market but the argument I keep hearing from people in both Australia and Sydney is that there’s more corporate dollars in Sydney than for example Wollongong, gosford, Christchurch and PNG etc.

Sydney doesn’t have too many teams it’s just people who say it are jealous of the strength of Sydney because we raided their players and their leagues were like a feeder league lol

 

[Brian potter]

Sydney doesn’t have too many teams it’s just people who say it are jealous of the strength of Sydney because we raided their players and their leagues were like a feeder league lol

I guess it’s a bit of a catch-22 situation in which expansion within the NRL is limited to the number of available NRL franchises.

If Australia and New Zealand had populations similar to that of the US and Canada then expanding the NRL to 20+ teams wouldn’t be that big of an issue like the professional sports market in North America with the NFL or NBA etc.

 

[Wb1234]

I guess it’s a bit of a catch-22 situation in which expansion within the NRL is limited to the number of available NRL franchises.

If Australia and New Zealand had populations similar to that of the US and Canada then expanding the NRL to 20+ teams wouldn’t be that big of an issue like the professional sports market in North America with the NFL or NBA etc.

I think we will hit 20 teams anyway

it will go

team 18 … Perth
Team 19 … south west qld
Team 20 … nz2

the nrl is raking it in terms of money and it’s on a real growth phase now with its current leaders

theres even scope for more teams after that eg Adelaide, central coast and png

they are only just adding new teams now so the payback will be much higher tv deals down the track

 

[Brian potter]

I think we will hit 20 teams anyway

it will go

team 18 … Perth
Team 19 … south west qld
Team 20 … nz2

the nrl is raking it in terms of money and it’s on a real growth phase now with its current leaders

theres even scope for more teams after that eg Adelaide, central coast and png

they are only just adding new teams now so the payback will be much higher tv deals down the track

Teams 18,19&20 you list would be my proffered choice as well but I wouldn’t be that upset if NZ2 was team 18 either.

If Perth being the 18th team and even another Queensland team being the 19th team makes the NRL stronger and more importantly more richer allowing further expansion into other new markets like NZ2 in the form of a Christchurch or Wellington based franchise or Adelaide or central coast etc.

personally I just don’t think we’ll see a PNG NRL franchise within our lifetime of the next 40-50 years.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I would tend to agree with you in terms of an oversaturated market but the argument I keep hearing from people in both Australia and Sydney is that there’s more corporate dollars in Sydney than for example Wollongong, gosford, Christchurch and PNG etc.

I covered the revenue generated from sponsorship and corporate hospitality in this thread. Broncos and Cowboys lead the way. About three or four Sydney clubs generate very little revenue from sponsorship and corporate hospitality. Those are the Sydney clubs that should be culled or relocated interstate.

That will be fine as almost all Corporates have HQs based in Sydney

So why do the Broncos and Cowboys generate more revenue from sponsorship and corporate hospitality than all Sydney clubs?

You only see what you want to see and ignore what don't want to see.

 

[Colk]

Sydney doesn’t have too many teams it’s just people who say it are jealous of the strength of Sydney because we raided their players and their leagues were like a feeder league lol

I think we probably do in reality. We don’t have the support for league in Sydney that fumbleball have in Melbourne.

In a perfect world we would have had 3-4 Sydney teams relocate in the 90’s instead of going through the ridiculous merger ideas that didn’t work or haven’t worked.

Nonetheless, what has happened has happened and nothing is going to change.

 

[Wb1234]

Teams 18,19&20 you list would be my proffered choice as well but I wouldn’t be that upset if NZ2 was team 18 either.

If Perth being the 18th team and even another Queensland team being the 19th team makes the NRL stronger and more importantly more richer allowing further expansion into other new markets like NZ2 in the form of a Christchurch or Wellington based franchise or Adelaide or central coast etc.

personally I just don’t think we’ll see a PNG NRL franchise within our lifetime of the next 40-50 years.

Png is my dream nrl team lol

there’s talk of a joint bid with cairns with the team living in cairns (travel times are decent)

id go nz2 now too but all the talk is Perth probably linking with the bears