New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[MugaB]

I debate those that deserve it, and you have to be wilfully ignorant to believe that the above wasn't the position that Loz was trying to articulate in a broad sense.

A poor argument for a position doesn't necessarily make that position wrong. For example, the fact that most people can't explain how gravity works that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

Loz doesn't know how gravity works or how to play musical chairs either

Got a feeling you always win your debates when its with the trees

 

[Dark Corner]

Loz doesn't know how gravity works or how to play musical chairs either
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Got a feeling you always win your debates when its with the trees

remember that and remember reading on Ceefax in 1996 that he might have a go at AFL...he has lost it.

 

[Pneuma]

I debate those that deserve it, and you have to be wilfully ignorant to believe that the above wasn't the position that Loz was trying to articulate in a broad sense.

A poor argument for a position doesn't necessarily make that position wrong. For example, the fact that most people can't explain how gravity works doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

And I was pointing out that his ‘thesis’ was littered with fundamentally flawed statements. I’ll stand by that.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Another Warriors sell out...they're 3rd not first.

 

[Canard]

His thesis is that the AFL is more commercially successful than the NRL, and that's undeniably the case even if he's not equip to make it.

Take Laurie and swap him with somebody that's a little more articulate, better informed of the data, and more comfortable in making and debating their point, and it doesn't even make the news because he wouldn't be saying anything we don't already know.

Simplifying for sake of brevity; the only major statistic the NRL has over the AFL is average ratings, other than that everything goes the AFL's way. Attendance, members and season ticket holders, broadcast rights value, revenue, financial assets, sponsorship value, government investment, participation, brand recognition, cultural impact, etc, etc, broadly speaking it's all in the AFL's favour.

Pretending that isn't the case does nothing to change it, if you're concerned about that state of affairs in the first place. In my opinion obsessing over others success instead of working to incrementally improve yourself does more harm than good.

Other then the a few crazies, the same people who think PNG is a viable idea, everyone knows this of course.

My bigger issue is that modern discourse is just saying some outrageous shit to get attention. I don't mind idiots like Kent and Hooper etc saying this, but when ex players have to whore out there 'credibility' it's a bit on the depressing.

That Dustin Martin claim is so outrageous I'm starting to suspect this was scripted.

 

[Pneuma]

Other then the a few crazies, the same people who think PNG is a viable idea, everyone knows this of course.

My bigger issue is that modern discourse is just saying some outrageous shit to get attention. I don't mind idiots like Kent and Hooper etc saying this, but when ex players have to whore out there 'credibility' it's a bit on the depressing.

That Dustin Martin claim is so outrageous I'm starting to suspect this was scripted.

Except you assume Daley can read from a script. I saw some of what he said (and that was enough for me) and it was highly inaccurate and gross exaggeration. He should just shut up. I agree with the basic premise that the fumblers are ahead of us on some key metrics but ffs get someone literate to state it.

 

[Dark Corner]

Other then the a few crazies, the same people who think PNG is a viable idea, everyone knows this of course.

My bigger issue is that modern discourse is just saying some outrageous shit to get attention. I don't mind idiots like Kent and Hooper etc saying this, but when ex players have to whore out there 'credibility' it's a bit on the depressing.

That Dustin Martin claim is so outrageous I'm starting to suspect this was scripted.

Dustain Martin...was he in Rain Man ?

 

[MugaB]

Dustain Martin...was he in Rain Man ?

Hoffman bro.... bwahahahahaha

Our resident LU rainman is grotd

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Another Warriors sell out...they're 3rd not first.

But, but, but Dustin Martin is more popular than Shaun Johnson in NZ because his dad was born there

 

[Pneuma]

But, but, but Dustin Martin is more popular than Shaun Johnson in NZ because his dad was born there

And his old man was such a nice bloke as well. Ffs

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Good on Gordie for having a go at him (albeit Gordie was less articulate if that was possible).

The point Tallis made though is valid. NRL dominates AFL in ALL metrics in the two states where most of the population lives amd we dominate them in Australian TV ratings, so to claim they are more popular is just arrogance.

Are they commercially bigger? Yes, but that comes down to decades of mismanagement from RL administrators not leveraging our popularity and geographical advantage. PVL is on it and we are finally starting to fulfill our potential and you can bet that AFL house who are still having to Prop up the Lions, Suns and GWS are fully aware of what RL is capable of if our administrators finally get it right.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

And his old man was such a nice bloke as well. Ffs

If only we had some NRL players with NZ born dads we would be set

 

[MugaB]

If only we had some NRL players with NZ born dads we would be set

Kaylin Ponga, has a kiwi dad, i think we are all set

 

[MugaB]

Except you assume Daley can read from a script. I saw some of what he said (and that was enough for me) and it was highly inaccurate and gross exaggeration. He should just shut up. I agree with the basic premise that the fumblers are ahead of us on some key metrics but ffs get someone literate to state it.

So funnily enough if anyone bothered to watch the matty johns show last night, you'd have noticed that Laurie Daley had set up those dumb arguments up as a ball teaser to purposely make Gordie call out the BS laurie was spinning... both guys were in on it, it ended up being a shameful plug to advertise a show on channel 503, called "the great sports debate" (right up your alley, dane) tony squires is paneling a host of different aussie sports athletes each one representing thier own sport, apparently Gordon The Raging Bull, Tallis is the NRLs candidate,...
...Should be interesting too bad he cant deck eddie maguire, he'll have to use his brain words, not his fist knuckles...

 

[The Great Dane]

Loz doesn't know how gravity works or how to play musical chairs either
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Got a feeling you always win your debates when its with the trees

The trees would do a better job of debating than you've ever managed.

 

[The Great Dane]

And I was pointing out that his ‘thesis’ was littered with fundamentally flawed statements. I’ll stand by that.

Yet he's still correct despite all those flaws, and focusing on his flaws instead of the broader debate won't change that. Like I said before, the fact that most people can't explain e.g. gravity, evolution, magnetism, etc, doesn't mean that they don't exist.

 

[MugaB]

The trees would do a better job of debating than you've ever managed.

Cool, read my last post, then go watch that show, if you're here for debate purposes, I'm here to get news, share news and have fun, not try to justify every post as FACTUAL evidence, that needs your approval, or acceptance... go hug a tree, you tree huggin hippy...
Btw Laurie daley made that all up... and he didn't believe in what he said, it was a plug for that debate show... so yeah he doesn't believe in gravity, even if he can explain it, it was a bold face lie, typical news ltd

 

[Perth Red]

Kaylin Ponga, has a kiwi dad, i think we are all set

West Australian Kaylin Ponga I might add lol

 

[The Great Dane]

Cool, read my last post, then go watch that show, if you're here for debate purposes, I'm here to get news, share news and have fun, not try to justify every post as FACTUAL evidence, that needs your approval, or acceptance... go hug a tree, you tree hughing hippy

Nah, you're just an oxygen thief who doesn't like it when you're world view is questioned, so, when it's convenient, you try to avoid having to address it by hiding behind crap humour.

You'll happily advocate for a position, debate that position, and pile on to others, but then pivot to the cry bullying "why are you attacking me, I was just trying to have fun" BS as soon as it starts going south for you.

 

[The Great Dane]

Good on Gordie for having a go at him (albeit Gordie was less articulate if that was possible).

The point Tallis made though is valid. NRL dominates AFL in ALL metrics in the two states where most of the population lives amd we dominate them in Australian TV ratings, so to claim they are more popular is just arrogance.

Tallis's point was totally irrelevant.

The fact that RL is bigger in NSW and QLD doesn't change the fact that the AFL is bigger nationally. It is what it is, and trying to dodge or downplay it won't change it.

Are they commercially bigger? Yes, but that comes down to decades of mismanagement from RL administrators not leveraging our popularity and geographical advantage. PVL is on it and we are finally starting to fulfill our potential and you can bet that AFL house who are still having to Prop up the Lions, Suns and GWS are fully aware of what RL is capable of if our administrators finally get it right.

I f**king hate this they're weak and strong at the same time, "they only succeeded because we failed", horse shit.

Aussie Rules grew nationally because of decades of good business dealings, long term planning, and smart investment, and their national growth has happened almost completely independently of what was happening in RL.

RL could succeed outside of NSW/QLD as well if the NRL put any effort into it, and the NRL will inevitably face similar setbacks to that growth as the AFL have faced over the years if/when they attempt it.