New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[docbrown]

The NRL can literally just do the schedule to set the Warriors to be either the home or away team on most of those Friday 6pm slots. Then the other clubs can decide for themselves when the time comes.

 

[jim_57]

Something V’landys says in the latest interview sticks out “a team from the Southern part of NZ”. Now that could just be a poor choice of words and he meant anywhere South of Auckland but when I hear “Southern NZ” I think South Island.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Tallis's point was totally irrelevant.

The fact that RL is bigger in NSW and QLD doesn't change the fact that the AFL is bigger nationally.

I said RL is more popular, not bigger and the NATIONAL TV ratings back that up. That is mainly because RL dominates the two most populous states in the country. SA, WA and TAS are small backwater states.

Aussie Rules grew nationally because of decades of good business dealings, long term planning, and smart investment, and their national growth has happened almost completely independently of what was happening in RLRL.

So yeah... exactly what I said. They've had better administrators than us.

 

[The Great Dane]

I said RL is more popular, not bigger and the NATIONAL TV ratings back that up. That is mainly because RL dominates the two most populous states in the country. SA, WA and TAS are small backwater states.

Bigger and more popular are basically synonyms in this context, and it's still irrelevant.

The numbers are what they are and cherry picking the single metric that favours the NRL (for the moment) doesn't change them. Aussie Rules is bigger, more popular, what ever you want to call it, in the national context, and it's stupid and counter productive to pretend otherwise.

So yeah... exactly what I said. They've had better administrators than us.

No, that's not what you're saying at all. You're trying to make out that the AFL was only, or largely, successful because of RL's poor management, and not because they were/are highly accomplished in their own right.

It's nothing more than a massive cope to suggest that Aussie Rules and the VFL/AFL has only spread across the country and achieved the success it has in the last 40 years because of NSWRL/ARL/NRL incompetence. It's completely ahistorical crap that, again, is counter productive. You can't work to change a problem (if you consider it a problem at all) if you refuse to accept you have a problem.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Bigger and more popular are basically synonyms in this context, and it's still irrelevant.

The numbers are what they are and cherry picking the single metric that favours the NRL (for the moment) doesn't change them. Aussie Rules is bigger, more popular, what ever you want to call it, in the national context, and it's stupid and counter productive to pretend otherwise.

No, that's not what you're saying at all. You're trying to make out that the AFL was only, or largely, successful because of RL's poor management, and not because they were/are highly accomplished in their own right.

It's nothing more than a massive cope to suggest that Aussie Rules and the VFL/AFL has only spread across the country and achieved the success it has in the last 40 years because of NSWRL/ARL/NRL incompetence. It's completely ahistorical crap that, again, is counter productive. You can't work to change a problem (if you consider it a problem at all) if you refuse to accept you have a problem.

No, Im saying AFL does better financially because they have historically been a better run sport despite ours being more popular.

You know as well as I do that if the AFL had NSW and QLD and we had the rest, and they had the admin they had, we wouldn't be anywhere near the conversation, so yes it does all come down to how the two games are administered. We are more popular in the most populous states and have the higher national TV ratings (more popular), but we have been poorly run for decades.

They have the geographical and population disadvantage but are for the best run sport in the country and therefore leverage their strengths better commercially (bigger sport financially).

If the AFL could wave a magic want and swap heartlands with RL they would do it in a heartbeat.

 

[Canard]

NSW and Vic are the two most populous states.

And Melbourne is catching Sydney in terms of population and still shortly over take it based on current trends.

 

[Colk]

NSW and Vic are the two most populous states.

And Melbourne is catching Sydney in terms of population and still shortly over take it based on current trends.

I think Melbourne has already overtaken Sydney.

 

[bazza]

I think Melbourne has already overtaken Sydney.

yes - they changed the boundary of "Melbourne"

 

[Canard]

yes - they changed the boundary of "Melbourne"

When? And I doubt that would add much to the population total.

From what I've read Melbourne isn't likely to be the biggest city until 2030 anyway (if current trends continue as predicted)

 

[bazza]

When? And I doubt that would add much to the population total.

From what I've read Melbourne isn't likely to be the biggest city until 2030 anyway (if current trends continue as predicted)

Earlier this year

And now, the borders have been redrawn so the district of Melton has been included in Melbourne's catchment.
The new Melbourne has almost 19,000 more people than Sydney, with a total of about 5.8 million.

Sydney dethroned as Australia's largest city

www.9news.com.au

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Something V’landys says in the latest interview sticks out “a team from the Southern part of NZ”. Now that could just be a poor choice of words and he meant anywhere South of Auckland but when I hear “Southern NZ” I think South Island.

I’d say that was pretty deliberately worded to mean “Wellington or the South Island” without committing to either.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

NSW and Vic are the two most populous states.

And Melbourne is catching Sydney in terms of population and still shortly over take it based on current trends.

But Victoria is well behind NSW

 

[Gobsmacked]

Australian States and Territories By Population

New South Wales is the most populous state in Australia, and Sydney, the state capital, is the most populous city of the country.

www.worldatlas.com

 

[Gobsmacked]

Queensland and NSW = 11,91600
Vic, south Australia, Tasmania WA=10,240000

So the population rl states exceeds population of AFL states for the most part
We have a champion!

 

[Perth Red]

Queensland and NSW = 11,91600
Vic, south Australia, Tasmania WA=10,240000

So the population rl states exceeds population of AFL states for the most part
We have a champion!

Very simplistic! You have to consider the footprint and exposure of each code in those states. So for example AFL in NSW and Qlnd has a reasonable footprint, participation and prof club representation. Whilst NRL in Vic, SA and WA doesnt.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Very simplistic! You have to consider the footprint and exposure of each code in those states. So for example AFL in NSW and Qlnd has a reasonable footprint, participation and prof club representation. Whilst NRL in Vic, SA and WA doesnt.

Add NZ into the mix and it looks a lot worse for AFL in that metric

 

[Gobsmacked]

Very simplistic! You have to consider the footprint and exposure of each code in those states. So for example AFL in NSW and Qlnd has a reasonable footprint, participation and prof club representation. Whilst NRL in Vic, SA and WA doesnt.

Those footprints account for about 100k a piece. Peanuts
Dots on maps.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Add NZ into the mix and it looks a lot worse for AFL in that metric

A lot worse!
Then PNG, England ect
Rugby league is far bigger than AFL!
Population of RL following 25 to 30 million?
AFL 11 ?
3 to 1.

 

[Perth Red]

Add NZ into the mix and it looks a lot worse for AFL in that metric

sure add in png, France and England and its even worse lol. But comparing apples and apples in Australia.......

harsh reality is AFL has a much bigger profile and presence in Sydney and Brisbane than NRL does in Melb, Adelaide and Perth. Thats on us and our ineffectual leadership for the last 25 years. When you are earning $300mill a year more revenue you can chuck money at expanding the game.

 

[Gobsmacked]

sure add in png, France and England and its even worse lol. But comparing apples and apples in Australia.......

harsh reality is AFL has a much bigger profile and presence in Sydney and Brisbane than NRL does in Melb, Adelaide and Perth. Thats on us and our ineffectual leadership for the last 25 years. When you are earning $300mill a year more revenue you can chuck money at expanding the game.

You are the only person that cares.