New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Te Kaha]

Happy to hear how a Kiwi would setup NZ2

Fyi - years ago tour matches had been cancelled in Wellington because RU wouldnt allow their fields to be used

Even today Wellington feels like a RL outpost rather than a rival to Auckland

Sure they did, and what fields were those? since the WRU doesn't and hasn't owned any wellington fields.

The reason Wellington feels like an "outpost" is because when the Warriors came in most of the League players moved to Auckland. The local comps never recovered, and with teenagers preferring other pastimes now it probably never will recover.

As for another NZ team, spend hundreds of millions on setting up academies for coaches and players before even looking at another team. Get the Warriors successfully bringing through teams full of local juniors, then look at a second team.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Has the ARLC met with the NZ gov and Wellington Council to discuss a purpose built rectangular stadium for a prospective NRL team?

It would benefit Wellington tourism, NZRL, NZRU and Soccer New Zealand. Having two world class rugby league stadia in the country would be great for holding an annual three match series between Kangaroos and Kiwis, with two games in NZ and one in Canberra.

 

[Te Kaha]

Has the ARLC met with the NZ gov and Wellington Council to discuss a purpose built rectangular stadium for a prospective NRL team?

It would benefit Wellington tourism, NZRL, NZRU and Soccer New Zealand. Having two world class rugby league stadia in the country would be great for holding an annual three match series between Kangaroos and Kiwis, with two games in NZ and one in Canberra.

Will never happen. If they couldn't get the government to stump up for a national stadium in Auckland there is zero chance the government will stump up half a billion dollars for a new Wellington stadium when there is already a multipurpose one here now. Besides which, there is no where in Wellington City to put it, it would have to be Porirua, or the Hutt Valley, neither of which are central like the current Stadium is.

The problem with the current stadium other than its not rectangular, is that when it was being consented, the locals would only agree if there was a cap on the amount of times per year the lights could be used. That is a non negotiable that will not be changed. It has tried to be changed but even NZ Ruby couldn't get it changed.

Cricket and Rugby being original anchor tenants have most of those already sown up. And now with the Phoenix and Concerts, ANY new team, no matter what sport would only be able to have the lights on 2 or 3 times a year.

 

[Wb1234]

Where is this team getting it's support from if it's spread from Hamilton down to Dunedin with the bulk of the home games down in Christchurch?

You can't "deal a massive blow to NZ rugby" if you're trying to entice fans to support a team that's yoyo-ing all over the place.

It has to be in one city, build it's fanbase there and then play the odd games away.

In all honestly Wellington is the place to be as it's driveable from Hawkes Bay/Naki/Poo and that's another 300-350k population base. If they can be what the Canes originally were, which was representative of the region (as opposed to now when they're just a Wellington team) then they have a better shot than trying to cover the country south of the Bombays.

Ok one game each in all those cities with the rest I. Christchurch

Wellington’s ground is a major no no

the way you talk it’s like you’ve never heard of this proposal

 

[The Great Dane]

No

fox and nine don’t care one bit about Perth

I assure you that the only thing they care about is what they think will make them the highest return for the lowest investment.

For the most part advertisers want products that can draw an audience in each of the 5 capital city markets, so that is where the money is since it's really the advertisers that pay the broadcasters bills.

it’s the extra game that they will pay for with viewers back in eastern markets

nz will have similar value

plus other benefits

That's too simplistic.

Not every match or team is of equal value to broadcasters. The Warriors for example have the lowest ratings of any NRL team in Australia. An even smaller NZ side would have even lower ratings in AUS, and thus would be even less valuable to Australian broadcasters, advertisers, and corporates.

if it doesn’t why do you think Andrew abdo talked about their benefits

Abdo was espousing their benefits before Spark collapsed. Now that Spark is gone the field has completely changed, and there's little to no chance that there's significant amounts of money in a second NZ side anymore.

the nrl already make a massive profit from the warriors ie cost 13 million vs tv 35 million plus

indeed they could add a second team and still make a profit with zero increase in the nz rights

The NRL would make a larger profit off of most of the Australian sides than they do the Warriors, but unlike the NZ rights the Australian rights aren't broken down into the value of each individual team to broadcasters.

We can say for a fact though that Broncos, Storm, larger Sydney clubs, and probably most of the regional clubs as well, all make more for the league off their broadcast value alone than the Warriors do, and that new teams in the major metros (including the Dolphins BTW) will certainly be more valuable to Australian broadcasters than the Warriors or any new NZ side.

 

[The Great Dane]

Where is this team getting it's support from if it's spread from Hamilton down to Dunedin with the bulk of the home games down in Christchurch?

Yeah I always find it funny when people suggest a Kiwi team that split home games between all the major cities in NZ.

It'd be no different to a person suggesting a team in Australia that split home games equally between the major cities in Australia.

Only the totally ignorant could spout such madness.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Will never happen. If they couldn't get the government to stump up for a national stadium in Auckland there is zero chance the government will stump up half a billion dollars for a new Wellington stadium when there is already a multipurpose one here now. Besides which, there is no where in Wellington City to put it, it would have to be Porirua, or the Hutt Valley, neither of which are central like the current Stadium is.

The problem with the current stadium other than its not rectangular, is that when it was being consented, the locals would only agree if there was a cap on the amount of times per year the lights could be used. That is a non negotiable that will not be changed. It has tried to be changed but even NZ Ruby couldn't get it changed.

Cricket and Rugby being original anchor tenants have most of those already sown up. And now with the Phoenix and Concerts, ANY new team, no matter what sport would only be able to have the lights on 2 or 3 times a year.

Looks like NZ 2 is highly unlikely of eventuating any time soon.

 

[Wb1234]

I assure you that the only thing they care about is what they think will make them the highest return for the lowest investment.

For the most part advertisers want products that can draw an audience in each of the 5 capital city markets, so that is where the money is since it's really the advertisers that pay the broadcasters bills.


That's too simplistic.

Not every match or team is of equal value to broadcasters. The Warriors for example have the lowest ratings of any NRL team in Australia. An even smaller NZ side would have even lower ratings in AUS, and thus would be even less valuable to Australian broadcasters, advertisers, and corporates.

Abdo was espousing their benefits before Spark collapsed. Now that Spark is gone the field has completely changed, and there's little to no chance that there's significant amounts of money in a second NZ side anymore.

The NRL would make a larger profit off of most of the Australian sides than they do the Warriors, but unlike the NZ rights the Australian rights aren't broken down into the value of each individual team to broadcasters.

We can say for a fact though that Broncos, Storm, larger Sydney clubs, and probably most of the regional clubs as well, all make more for the league off their broadcast value alone than the Warriors do, and that new teams in the major metros (including the Dolphins BTW) will certainly be more valuable to Australian broadcasters than the Warriors or any new NZ side.

You know when a nz side plays a team on tv the other side is an Australian one lmao

right now there’s a ninth game to sell

the value is selling that extra game to existing viewers

aussie tv aren’t desiring a team in Perth

much like channel nine avoid showing the storm live in Melbourne

and faced between listening to you or Andrew abdo about whether nz expansion is a good idea, I’m going with him chuckles

the only place Aussie broadcasters want new teams is qld

they would probably favour central coast bears over Perth or Adelaide too and you know this is the truth as unpalatable as this is for you

after Perth they are adding south west Brisbane so team 20 will happen and nz rank ahead of Adelaide central coast or png

 

[Wb1234]

Yeah I always find it funny when people suggest a Kiwi team that split home games between all the major cities in NZ.

It'd be no different to a person suggesting a team in Australia that split home games equally between the major cities in Australia.

Only the totally ignorant could spout such madness.

A code which you talk about as being very well run currently do that

you know gws lol

 

[The Great Dane]

A code which you talk about as being very well run currently do that

you know gws lol

No they don't lol.

Name the AFL side that splits home games between multiple of the major cities in Australia. Seriously, go ahead, humour me.

 

[Wb1234]

No they don't lol.

Name the AFL side that splits home games between multiple of the major cities in Australia. Seriously, go ahead, humour me.

What Canberra isn’t a major city now chuckles ?

and not only isn’t canberra not part of western Sydney, it’s not even in the same state

 

[The Great Dane]

What Canberra isn’t a major city now chuckles ?

and not only isn’t canberra not part of western Sydney, it’s not even in the same state

Multiple
/ˈmʌltɪpl/

having or involving several parts, elements, or members.

Several
/ˈsɛv(ə)rəl/

more than two but not many.

Now that we both know the definitions of the words we're using, would you like to have another go at naming an AFL club that splits it's home games between multiple major cities?!

The fact that you genuinely believe that a club that would do the NZ equivalent of splitting games between Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth, and Adelaide, is even remotely feasible, let alone capable of being successful, is hilarious. And you've got the gall to refer to others as 'Chuckles' LMAO.

 

[Perth Red]

Hmmmm
Afl 18 Australian clubs mostly all but one in metro markets $575mill a year
nrl 16 Australian clubs missing two key metro markets $365milliion

I wonder which Australian tv values more?

 

[Perth Red]

There's substantial kiwi expats in Australia! I'm assuming they watch TV lol
There's more kiwi expats in Perth that would watch league than Australians.
A new NZ team would probably add more value in Perth... than Perth.

Makes you wonder why the warriors are the least watched club in australia, by a long way, then doesn’t it?

 

[Perth Red]

Will never happen. If they couldn't get the government to stump up for a national stadium in Auckland there is zero chance the government will stump up half a billion dollars for a new Wellington stadium when there is already a multipurpose one here now. Besides which, there is no where in Wellington City to put it, it would have to be Porirua, or the Hutt Valley, neither of which are central like the current Stadium is.

The problem with the current stadium other than its not rectangular, is that when it was being consented, the locals would only agree if there was a cap on the amount of times per year the lights could be used. That is a non negotiable that will not be changed. It has tried to be changed but even NZ Ruby couldn't get it changed.

Cricket and Rugby being original anchor tenants have most of those already sown up. And now with the Phoenix and Concerts, ANY new team, no matter what sport would only be able to have the lights on 2 or 3 times a year.

How did the guy behind the orcas think he could base them in Wellington with those restrictions?

 

[Gobsmacked]

Hmmmm
Afl 18 Australian clubs mostly in all metro markets $575mill a year
nrl 16 Australian clubs missing two key metro markets $365milliion

I wonder which Australian tv values more?

AFL =9 games x 2 hours = 18 hours of content.
NRL =8 games x1.5 hours =12 hours of content.

And they still have TV in Perth?

 

[Gobsmacked]

Makes you wonder why the warriors are the least watched club in australia, by a long way, then doesn’t it?

Being a consistent underperformer for a decade is why.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Funny how I've never heard of spark. NRL have never been in business with spark . They existed for a blink of an eye and now they're gone There's no hope for RL in NZ

 

[Perth Red]

Abdo was espousing their benefits before Spark collapsed. Now that Spark is gone the field has completely changed, and there's little to no chance that there's significant amounts of money in a second NZ side anymore.

at no point has Abdo ever stated nz2 is a priority option for club18. In all his statements he has only talked about increasing participation and pathways.
from the horses mouth:


“There’s no doubt New Zealand is an enormous market for us,” he said. “Some of our best players in recent years have come from New Zealand and we’re certainly committed to investing in the region and seeing more talent unlocked and emerge through pathways systems.

“In particular, the commission is focused on innovative measures to enhance the pathways systems and it’s something our clubs are focused on as well.”

“Beyond that, the commission is open to looking at 18 teams down the track and open-minded about the location of potential new markets.”

‘An enormous market’: Abdo backs New Zealand for 18th NRL team

While the NRL boss insists that the Dolphins becoming competitive when they join in 2023 is paramount, there is a growing need to broaden the game’s talent pool.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Perth Red]

Being a consistent underperformer for a decade is why.

Cough Gold Coast, cough tigers cough