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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

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It’s called due diligence! Wa govt is quite rightly looking at who it should back with taxpayer funds. Why haven’t they announced anything yet? Well there’s obviously a number of possible reasons
1. they still havent decided which if the interested parties they will back
2. they are still canvassing possible bidders
3. they have chosen but won’t make next move which involves spending tax payer money until the nrl decides where the bids will be called from

You said there was no interested bidders known in perth. I’ve just shown you that’s Bollox. There’s at least 4 that have been talked about. Cumins led, Puddy led, bears and jets. Out of those 4 cumins is the one who has been at this since we lost the reds, has a group of prominent business men on board and has already developed one bid business case back when we thought nrl would expand Last time And has publicly stated he is ready to bid again if given an opportunity.

im not even going to bother talking afl with you, perth isn’t getting another afl club for a long time full stop. Joondalup mayor hot air or not.

One of those parties might end up getting the 18th licence. Until one is endorsed by the WA Gov and accepted by the ARLC then it is just speculative and will need to outbid consortia from Brisbane, Sydney and PNG.

We might end up with the Bears playing 6 or 8 games in Perth. Based on what the VenuesWest report said, the WA Gov is oy interested in tourists from the east coast flying to Perth. The Bears can provide that by taking 6 or 8 games to Perth Oval or Perth Stadium.
 

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One of those parties might end up getting the 18th licence. Until one is endorsed by the WA Gov and accepted by the ARLC then it is just speculative and will need to outbid consortia from Brisbane, Sydney and PNG.

We might end up with the Bears playing 6 or 8 games in Perth. Based on what the VenuesWest report said, the WA Gov is oy interested in tourists from the east coast flying to Perth. The Bears can provide that by taking 6 or 8 games to Perth Oval or Perth Stadium.
You’re probably totally incorrect again! It’s highly unlikely the arlc will call from bids from anywhere then pick the best one on a set criteria. It’s much more likely they will choose the location of the next club then either call for bids from that city or pick a consortium to work with on a bid.

having been down this road publicly twice before I don’t expect to see anything much from perth until the nrl decides which city the next club will be. Already a lot of wasted money and egg on face from 2012 and 2017.

we might, but we won’t in all likelihood, wa govt wont back a fifo Sydney club unless it is literally the only option nrl is interested in. You clearly don’t understand how parochial WA is!
 

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I’ve given up worrying about staying on topic, If mods can’t be arsed why should we?,

I’m not a mod of this sub-forum but I don’t think there is any real problem with threads going off on tangents in the name of open discussion, it would get pretty boring otherwise. Each thread generally rolls back around to the topic when anything new on that topic comes up. I don’t think there are any rules about keeping discussion strictly to the topic anyway.
 
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You’re probably totally incorrect again! It’s highly unlikely the arlc will call from bids from anywhere then pick the best one on a set criteria. It’s much more likely they will choose the location of the next club then either call for bids from that city or pick a consortium to work with on a bid.

having been down this road publicly twice before I don’t expect to see anything much from perth until the nrl decides which city the next club will be. Already a lot of wasted money and egg on face from 2012 and 2017.

we might, but we won’t in all likelihood, wa govt wont back a fifo Sydney club unless it is literally the only option nrl is interested in. You clearly don’t understand how parochial WA is!

So why do you continuously talk up Perth when V'landys consistently talks about Pasifika?
 

Gobsmacked

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Any news from New Zealand about another team?
There hasn’t been any expansion news for a while. I'd think any and all announcements will be shelved until a couple of weeks after the GF.
Luckily the NRL now has probably the best management it's had probably ever and they'd be avoiding cannibalising the media coverage and attention away from the pinnacle of their own comp.
It'll keep NRL in the newspapers for the off season with steady releases and bids exc.

I don't know why Perth red is so confident tbh. During the double header in Perth there wasn't a lot of hype, that was the only chance they had to push to the front of the line and there wasn't much at all.

Meanwhile across the ditch: games in Wellington , Christchurch, Napier, Hamilton, Auckland with most of those selling out ! Massive ratings! and test matches at seasons end! A brand new state of the art stadium being built! Ever growing sky deal!and increasing ratings! More talent than ever coming from NZ! With a ever bigger portions of our top stars ... kiwis!
Dally M will be none other than Shaun Johnson! among others to collect awards !
Rugby league is going gang busters in NZ!
Perth: crickets 🦗
 

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There hasn’t been any expansion news for a while. I'd think any and all announcements will be shelved until a couple of weeks after the GF.
Luckily the NRL now has probably the best management it's had probably ever and they'd be avoiding cannibalising the media coverage and attention away from the pinnacle of their own comp.
It'll keep NRL in the newspapers for the off season with steady releases and bids exc.

I don't know why Perth red is so confident tbh. During the double header in Perth there wasn't a lot of hype, that was the only chance they had to push to the front of the line and there wasn't much at all.

Meanwhile across the ditch: games in Wellington , Christchurch, Napier, Hamilton, Auckland with most of those selling out ! Massive ratings! and test matches at seasons end! A brand new state of the art stadium being built! Ever growing sky deal!and increasing ratings! More talent than ever coming from NZ! With a ever bigger portions of our top stars ... kiwis!
Dally M will be none other than Shaun Johnson! among others to collect awards !
Rugby league is going gang busters in NZ!
Perth: crickets 🦗
Like Ive said depending on the PNG situation, and if the nrl has the balls to go to a 20 team plan, it’ll likely be perth, nz2 and probably brisbane3. If the png money is too good you can add in png and remove one of the other 3. That will largely be dependent on
1. WA’s business case and what WA govt is offering
2. If there’s anyone in nz willing to put money behind a second team and it’s business case
3. If the other clubs block brisbane 3.
4. Nrls strategic plan for the game.

at this point there are 4 realistic options for either one or three spots. whats viable or favourite, or not, due to the above none of us know.

ps I’m not confident in anything, I’ve been following rugby league for 43 years and have seen poor decision and lack of expansion mentality for most of that time. I expect little from RL administrators and am rarely surprised.
 
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There hasn’t been any expansion news for a while. I'd think any and all announcements will be shelved until a couple of weeks after the GF.
Luckily the NRL now has probably the best management it's had probably ever and they'd be avoiding cannibalising the media coverage and attention away from the pinnacle of their own comp.
It'll keep NRL in the newspapers for the off season with steady releases and bids exc.

I don't know why Perth red is so confident tbh. During the double header in Perth there wasn't a lot of hype, that was the only chance they had to push to the front of the line and there wasn't much at all.

Meanwhile across the ditch: games in Wellington , Christchurch, Napier, Hamilton, Auckland with most of those selling out ! Massive ratings! and test matches at seasons end! A brand new state of the art stadium being built! Ever growing sky deal!and increasing ratings! More talent than ever coming from NZ! With a ever bigger portions of our top stars ... kiwis!
Dally M will be none other than Shaun Johnson! among others to collect awards !
Rugby league is going gang busters in NZ!
Perth: crickets 🦗
It's a pity they're not thinking of basing the Pasifika team in Auckland and having it play games all around NZ.
 

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It's a pity they're not thinking of basing the Pasifika team in Auckland and having it play games all around NZ.
warriors have largely been a basket case for most of their existence and only have an overall crowd avg of 14.1k. I’m not sure cannibalising their fan and corporate base is a good idea just because they’ve finally had a good season!
 

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Like Ive said depending on the PNG situation, and if the nrl has the balls to go to a 20 team plan, it’ll likely be perth, nz2 and probably brisbane3. If the png money is too good you can add in png and remove one of the other 3. That will largely be dependent on
1. WA’s business case and what WA govt is offering
2. If there’s anyone in nz willing to put money behind a second team and it’s business case
3. If the other clubs block brisbane 3.
4. Nrls strategic plan for the game.

at this point there are 4 realistic options for either one or three spots. whats viable or favourite, or not, due to the above none of us know.

ps I’m not confident in anything, I’ve been following rugby league for 43 years and have seen poor decision and lack of expansion mentality for most of that time. I expect little from RL administrators and am rarely surprised.

If PNG gets a spot and one of those 3 miss out it does make a strong case for a move to 22. I would expect a pause at 20 if we even get there but 22 or even eventually 24 isn’t out of the question with the options still the table.
 

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If PNG gets a spot and one of those 3 miss out it does make a strong case for a move to 22. I would expect a pause at 20 if we even get there but 22 or even eventually 24 isn’t out of the question with the options still the table.
Given the games history on expansion it would take some monumental leadership change at all levels of the game plus massive positive financial changes for the game. I have my doubts we will go over 18 anytime soon, to get to 22 or 24 can’t see it my lifetime.

our best hope is next tv rights have numerous bidders and hit $500mill +, ideally for longer than 5 years. That should give the nrl confidence to go to 20 Within next 15 years.
club 18 funded on 2028+ rights increase
club 19+20 funded on 2033+ rights increase

if we get to 20 clubs by 2038 we will have done very well.
 

Wb1234

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Given the games history on expansion it would take some monumental leadership change at all levels of the game plus massive positive financial changes for the game. I have my doubts we will go over 18 anytime soon, to get to 22 or 24 can’t see it my lifetime.

our best hope is next tv rights have numerous bidders and hit $500mill +, ideally for longer than 5 years. That should give the nrl confidence to go to 20 Within next 15 years.
club 18 funded on 2028+ rights increase
club 19+20 funded on 2033+ rights increase

if we get to 20 clubs by 2038 we will have done very well.
The monumental leadership is there in place

next tv deal should be 600 million pa without any need for Telstra contra bs
 

Brian potter

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It's a pity they're not thinking of basing the Pasifika team in Auckland and having it play games all around NZ.
A large percentage of the warriors fan base are of a pasifika background and this would just dilute the market in Auckland giving you 2 weaker teams instead of 1 strong team.

Also just look at how non-existent the moana pasifika super rugby team is in Auckland.

truth is nobody supports segregation teams no matter what is rammed down our throats by liberal woke politicians, media and activists.
 

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