New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Brian potter]

They'll have all the figures in front of them. I've heard it mentioned on the Matty Johns show how the games going gang busters in nz... why would he know? Because all fox sports know, all NRL head quarters knows...
All those... in the know.
I'm here and I can tell you, the NRL can take NZ like a virgin on prom night .

If not now, when.

 

[Bukowski]

Based on how things stand right now then yes, there is only one financially viable option that can step up and field a team in the NRL at such short notice without assistance.

The WA Gov haven't decided which consortium they will support.

New Zealand doesn't even have a consortium bidding for a licence.

The ARLC doesn't fund expansion like AwFuL props up the Lions, Swans, Suns and Giants.

IF the ARLC were interested in creating a team and funding it THEN they could put one anywhere in Australia or New Zealand. But that's not how they operate. Nor is the ARLC set up in a way to allow that sort of thing to happen. Every NRL club, QRL and NSWRL gets to vote on these matters. They're not going to vote to put money aside to expand into Perth and Adelaide just because your mate wants them to. The clubs will never agree to a new club getting any advantage over them. The QRL and NSWRL will not relinquish power to the Affiliated States.

Teams from Perth or NZ getting more funding than existing clubs is all in your mind. Your back to talking shit.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

We already have this with the pre-season all stars match which is more than enough. No need to waste anymore time and money with that concept when you have a tried and tested winning formula in the trans-Tasman test series which includes all race, colours and creeds.

I'd expand on it to include Australian Indigenous XIII vs Maori XIII, PNG vs Fiji and Samoa vs Tonga so there's plenty of content for the broadcasters. It'll be huge for the Polynesian and Melanesian communities in Australia and New Zealand. More money for the game. It would be a great way to start the year and whet people's appetite for the NRL season.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Nice theory about Perth.
but the AFL arnt doing more expansion for at least a decade so doesn't it make sense to get into perth ASAP?

Need a consortium to put in a bid. No one from Perth has come forward yet.

 

[Wb1234]

If not now, when.

2030

 

[Gobsmacked]

Been saying that for years, if we can get it right with NZ a three Test series between our two countries would very quickly replace the bledisloe, it could be absolutely massive.

That test match in Leeds in the WC left origin for dead ! Anyone that knows what they're looking at saw that. Know body has caught on yet but the test series at the end of this year might start to raise a few eyebrows..

It'll be a little at first but mark my words. Australia vs New Zealand tests will be the pinnacle of League and Union within 10 years, possibly 5.

NZ is a Rugby league giant waking up. It's going to be massive!

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I think sup rugby would snap your arm off for 10k crowds these days.

I’ve seen some super rugby crowds this season gone which can’t have had more than 2k-3k in the stadium, even in NZ.

Moana Pasifika crowds were terrible, probably in that ballpark. A lot of the other NZ teams games against the Australian sides weren’t that much better, it’s only the big NZ derbies that draw.

 

[Bukowski]

Need a consortium to put in a bid. No one from Perth has come forward yet.

Correct. But somehow you know that they are asking for extra funding.
Oh , let me guess. Tongue in check?

 

[Bukowski]

Moana Pasifika crowds were terrible, probably in that ballpark. A lot of the other NZ teams games against the Australian sides weren’t that much better, it’s only the big NZ derbies that draw.

Hopefully the warriors back up this seasion with another good year. Their first premiership will be huge.

 

[Gobsmacked]

If not now, when.

They have to be next.
This is the exact scenario that got another Brisbane if not more emphatic.
It's so obvious when you're here.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Hopefully the warriors back up this seasion with another good year. Their first premiership will be huge.

Look at the Broncos..first year with a cross town rival and their best year possibly ever when you add everything up.
Another nz team and the volume gets jacked up to 10 !

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Teams from Perth or NZ getting more funding than existing clubs is all in your mind. Your back to talking shit.

Sigh

A small club needs to generate around $10m from football operations to field a team. Don't take my word for it. Go look at p28 of the Gemba report on NRL expansion.

• Based on benchmarks from existing smaller NRL clubs, it is estimated that a new club would have operating costs of $23.6m per year which is largely driven by Player Wages and Other Wages
• The NRL provides clubs with a Grant of at least $13.6m and covers some other operational expenses which aren’t included in the estimated total costs
• Assuming a new club had an operating cost base of $23.6m, the club would need to generate $10.0m in revenue through Sponsorship, Game Day Revenue, Hospitality, Membership etc. in order to break even. This is expected to be challenging in early years due to the competitive landscape in which the club is entering
• If the club is unable to achieve this, the operating loss would need to be covered by the club or the NRL would be required to provide additional financial support

https://origin.go.theaustralian.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Gemba_NRL-Expansion-Analysis_Final-Report_170621.pdf

Larger clubs run on a budget of $40m or more. A Perth-based club will need more than $23m because it'll have to hire talent scouts and development officers in Queensland, NSW and NZ to source its players.

How do you think the Storm are able to recruit the best juniors from Queensland, NSW and NZ?

Why do you think they had to spend $2-5m more than they generated from football operations to fund their recruitment and development of players from interstate?

News Ltd stepped in to cover the $2-5 million shortfall for the Storm.

Don't take my word for it. Here's a media report on the matter:

The Storm has been overspending to the tune of between $2 million and $5 million for 15 years. This shortfall has been financed by News Ltd and the amount spent by the club does not seem to be falling since the salary cap scandal in 2010.

Moneyball: how is your club placed?

amp.smh.com.au

Who will fund a Perth-based team?

A Sydney team can get away with an operating budget of $25m because they have junior systems in place that are funded by Leagues Club.

Perth won't have this luxury. It's why V'landys is pushing for Perth to link up with the Bears or Jets.

Brisbane Tigers also have a rich Leagues Club and a catchment from Bulimba in east-north-east Brisbane down to Yarrabilba in southeast Logan.

It's obvious you're an ignoramus who doesn't know how an NRL club operates.

 

[Brian potter]

That test match in Leeds in the WC left origin for dead ! Anyone that knows what they're looking at saw that. Know body has caught on yet but the test series at the end of this year might start to raise a few eyebrows..

It'll be a little at first but mark my words. Australia vs New Zealand tests will be the pinnacle of League and Union within 10 years, possibly 5.

NZ is a Rugby league giant waking up. It's going to be massive!

Some of the best RL games I’ve ever seen have been between the Aussies and kiwis.

1991 1st test in Melbourne.

1993 1st test in Auckland.

1995 World Cup semi-final Huddersfield.

1998 Anzac test Auckland.

1999 tri-nations Auckland.

1999 tri-nations final Auckland.

and that’s just the 1990’s pre Auckland warriors and a few years into the warriors inception.

great days and remember watching these as a kid and mostly getting up early to eatch them live on sky sports.

 

[Bukowski]

Look at the Broncos..first year with a cross town rival and their best year possibly ever when you add everything up.
Another nz team and the volume gets jacked up to 10 !

For sure, a cross town rivalry does wonders for a team.

 

[Brian potter]

Moana Pasifika crowds were terrible, probably in that ballpark. A lot of the other NZ teams games against the Australian sides weren’t that much better, it’s only the big NZ derbies that draw.

I watched “highlights“ of their magic round equivalent held in Melbourne that can’t have had more than 4k-5k in the stadium.

 

[Bukowski]

Sigh

A small club needs to generate around $10m from football operations to field a team. Don't take my word for it. Go look at p28 of the Gemba report on NRL expansion.

• Based on benchmarks from existing smaller NRL clubs, it is estimated that a new club would have operating costs of $23.6m per year which is largely driven by Player Wages and Other Wages​

• The NRL provides clubs with a Grant of at least $13.6m and covers some other operational expenses which aren’t included in the estimated total costs​

• Assuming a new club had an operating cost base of $23.6m, the club would need to generate $10.0m in revenue through Sponsorship, Game Day Revenue, Hospitality, Membership etc. in order to break even. This is expected to be challenging in early years due to the competitive landscape in which the club is entering​

• If the club is unable to achieve this, the operating loss would need to be covered by the club or the NRL would be required to provide additional financial support​

https://origin.go.theaustralian.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Gemba_NRL-Expansion-Analysis_Final-Report_170621.pdf

Larger clubs run on a budget of $40m or more. A Perth-based club will need more than $23m because it'll have to hire talent scouts and development officers in Queensland, NSW and NZ to source its players.

How do you think the Storm are able to recruit the best juniors from Queensland, NSW and NZ?

Why do you think they had to spend $2-5m more than they generated from football operations to fund their recruitment and development of players from interstate?

News Ltd and ARLC stepped in to cover the $2-5 million shortfall for the Storm.

Who will fund a Perth-based team?

A Sydney team can get away with an operating budget of $25m because they have junior systems in place that are funded by Leagues Club.

Perth won't have this luxury. It's why V'landys is pushing for Perth to link up with the Bears or Jets.

Brisbane Tigers also have a rich Leagues Club and a catchment from Bulimba in east-north-east Brisbane down to Yarrabilba in southeast Logan.

It's obvious you're an ignoramus who doesn't know how an NRL club operates.

So many assumptions. Ifs and buts.

 

[Brian potter]

For sure, a cross town rivalry does wonders for a team.

They don’t have to be in the same city for a rivalry to exist but it sure does help.

 

[Brian potter]

Hopefully the warriors back up this seasion with another good year. Their first premiership will be huge.

Theyre just missing that 1 or 2 xfactor players maybe at fullback and centre to go to that next level.

it was a real shame that Shaun Johnson picked up that injury towards the end of the season.

 

[Bukowski]

Theyre just missing that 1 or 2 xfactor players maybe at fullback and centre to go to that next level.

it was a real shame that Shaun Johnson picked up that injury towards the end of the season.

Hopefully he has another great year like that ìn him

 

[Perth Red]

Former Samoan ru player

Gone from talking afl to talking union now Wb?