New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Iamback]

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That AFL PR chooses to ingnore stuff like that, He has his own figures he uses. which are all BS

 

[Wb1234]

Wow those Australian tv networks sure seem keen to pay for more nrl content

with the next tv deal I wonder if the salary cap will hit 15 million

 

[Iamback]

Wow those Australian tv networks sure seem keen to pay for more nrl content

with the next tv deal I wonder if the salary cap will hit 15 million

Particularly Fox.

Broncos having 17 FTA games. The fans are less likely to get Fox/Kayo. So it makes sense but is also why certain posters are idiots for repeating the same BS over and over.

Truth is no one knows what Fox in particular are paying, When expansion comes I am sure FTA and Pay will have their say on their preference.

 

[Matua]

But NPC teams and even some Super Rugby games don't get the crowds the NRL get.
I see most NPC highlights if I can be bothered with no one at the game compared to 30 years ago when crowds ere strong.

Not sure why you're bringing up NPC crowds from 30 years ago, the landscape is completely different from then. The NPC is essentially a development competition these days and those bumper crowds have been in the rearview mirror for a long time.

That doesn't change the fact that a second NRL team in NZ wont "deal a massive blow to NZ rugby" or somehow magically attract massive crowds.

 

[Wb1234]

Not sure why you're bringing up NPC crowds from 30 years ago, the landscape is completely different from then. The NPC is essentially a development competition these days and those bumper crowds have been in the rearview mirror for a long time.

That doesn't change the fact that a second NRL team in NZ wont "deal a massive blow to NZ rugby" or somehow magically attract massive crowds.

Because obviously with the collapse in super rugby there is little for them to fall back on

super rugby was unions great hope in this region and for 20 years it fulfilled that role

then australia expanded to too many teams and nz and aus kicked sa and Japan out. And here we are with a coneotition which will be lucky to survive at all

the sa sides have done very well in top 14. Major mistake cutting them out of super rugby

both afl and rugby league are getting all the best union juniors in Australia. In many schools the number of union teams has collapsed eg my school has gone from five in year 12 to two

it’s a battle between the a league and super rugby as to which sport survives on a professional basis

 

[Te Kaha]

Because obviously with the collapse in super rugby there is little for them to fall back on

super rugby was unions great hope in this region and for 20 years it fulfilled that role

then australia expanded to too many teams and nz and aus kicked sa and Japan out. And here we are with a coneotition which will be lucky to survive at all

the sa sides have done very well in top 14. Major mistake cutting them out of super rugby

both afl and rugby league are getting all the best union juniors in Australia. In many schools the number of union teams has collapsed eg my school has gone from five in year 12 to two

it’s a battle between the a league and super rugby as to which sport survives on a professional basis

You talk so much bullshit. Almost none of that is true.

I like the part about the "collapse of super rugby".. Odd that its "collapsed" and yet there are games in the upcoming weeks.

You're so stupid you can't even get that small fact straight.

 

[Perth Red]

4 measley games they paid 75 million for now ignoring kayo sponsorship of dolphins. You at qanon levels..

Haha you Moran (sic), news ltd paid nothing. Vlandys cut them a deal for $100mill less originally then they made up the difference when expansion announced.
2017 $240mill 2023$240mill. equals No extra $’s.

 

[Pippen94]

Haha you Moran (sic), news ltd paid nothing. Vlandys cut them a deal for $100mill less originally then they made up the difference when expansion announced.
2017 $240mill 2023$240mill. equals No extra $’s.

Do you have sources for any of this or just pulled from ur backside like Perth participation figures?!

 

[Iamback]

Do you have sources for any of this or just pulled from ur backside like Perth participation figures?!

He has nothing, I have asked him hundreds of times across the last 12 months.

The article you posted shows the Dolphins money AFTER the TV deal was done, Yet he still argues they brought nothing to the table

 

[Iamback]

The article @Pippen94 posted listed News as paying $1b before the extra money for Dolphins

This one has the previous deal as $900m

How Rupert Murdoch helped NRL hit $2 billion TV rights jackpot

News Corp supremo paid inflated price for AFL rights, helping drive up the value of the remaining four games after the NRL inked free-to-air deal with Nine.

www.smh.com.au

However, News Corp has paid $900million for the NRL pay-TV rights from 2018 to 2022

While these figures won't be 100% correct it does show a rough guide of the increase

 

[Pippen94]

The article @Pippen94 posted listed News as paying $1b before the extra money for Dolphins

This one has the previous deal as $900m

How Rupert Murdoch helped NRL hit $2 billion TV rights jackpot

News Corp supremo paid inflated price for AFL rights, helping drive up the value of the remaining four games after the NRL inked free-to-air deal with Nine.

www.smh.com.au

However, News Corp has paid $900million for the NRL pay-TV rights from 2018 to 2022

While these figures won't be 100% correct it does show a rough guide of the increase

In another article in 2022 it was stated that the NRL had a clause in the fox contract to be compensated if afl got big deal after.
Like you said money for Dolphins came after nrl deal (& before afl deal). PR just conflating shi..or fantasizing again.

 

[Iamback]

In another article in 2022 it was stated that the NRL had a clause in the fox contract to be compensated if afl got big deal after.
Like you said money for Dolphins came after nrl deal (& before afl deal). PR just conflating shi..or fantasizing again.

That is it all these articles and no one knows for sure but roughly this is what is the common theme

The 13-player code popular in NSW and Queensland has managed to lift its overall revenue from its broadcast partners from $1.8 billion to about $2 billion over the next five years, but still trails the AFL – which dominates the southern and western states – in the money stakes.

Moneyball: NRL can’t catch AFL in the dollar stakes

The AFL remains the king of TV broadcast deals despite a win-win deal for the NRL with Nine, but all eyes will be on Cricket Australia as it edges closer to the expiry of its deal with Seven and Foxtel.

www.afr.com

Only in RL would a minimum of $40m a year increase be a bad thing.

If what PVL says and it is $400m in cash then you add in Contra and it is an even bigger rise.

As I said but time will tell, End of year reports say it all

 

[Wb1234]

We need more guys like this being produced

 

[Wb1234]

Jack Nowell set for Exeter exit amid English rugby's financial crisis

Jack Nowell looks set to be the third England and Exeter player to turn his back on his country in favour of a lucrative move overseas, as Premiership Rugby battles financial issues.

www.dailymail.co.uk

So Japan and France will have more players to pick from with England out of the bidding

the overall player market is going to see a contraction in wages as more players compete for less high paying places

 

[Te Kaha]

Jack Nowell set for Exeter exit amid English rugby's financial crisis

Jack Nowell looks set to be the third England and Exeter player to turn his back on his country in favour of a lucrative move overseas, as Premiership Rugby battles financial issues.

www.dailymail.co.uk

So Japan and France will have more players to pick from with England out of the bidding

the overall player market is going to see a contraction in wages as more players compete for less high paying places

You keep posting irrelevant crap. Every time you are shown up posting bullshit, you post irrelevant crap. pathetic.

 

[Matua]

Because obviously with the collapse in super rugby there is little for them to fall back on

super rugby was unions great hope in this region and for 20 years it fulfilled that role

then australia expanded to too many teams and nz and aus kicked sa and Japan out. And here we are with a coneotition which will be lucky to survive at all

the sa sides have done very well in top 14. Major mistake cutting them out of super rugby

both afl and rugby league are getting all the best union juniors in Australia. In many schools the number of union teams has collapsed eg my school has gone from five in year 12 to two

it’s a battle between the a league and super rugby as to which sport survives on a professional basis

The problem with this theory of yours is that NZR was in a strong enough position to go it alone in Super rugby if they couldn't get Australia on board. Furthermore they're partially funding the PI teams and have offered a share of their tv money to Oz. They aren't in as dire straits as you like to make out.

For league to take over NZ, the NRL would need to invest enough to completely change the culture of sport in NZ. They have to convert all the top schoolboy rugby comps into league comps and build up a worthwhile domestic competition to replace the NPC for local supporters. They'll need more than one additional team in NZ wherever it is based. They'd also need to make international competition more worthwhile, which isn't going to happen as long as Origin rules the roost.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I cannot see the ARLC investing in NZRL at the grassroots level. The ARLC only does something if it's in the interests of the Sydney clubs. It's a minor miracle we got the Dolphins in as there was opposition from Sydney clubs, and it only happened because the club is wealthier than any team from Sydney.

 

[Wb1234]

The problem with this theory of yours is that NZR was in a strong enough position to go it alone in Super rugby if they couldn't get Australia on board. Furthermore they're partially funding the PI teams and have offered a share of their tv money to Oz. They aren't in as dire straits as you like to make out.

For league to take over NZ, the NRL would need to invest enough to completely change the culture of sport in NZ. They have to convert all the top schoolboy rugby comps into league comps and build up a worthwhile domestic competition to replace the NPC for local supporters. They'll need more than one additional team in NZ wherever it is based. They'd also need to make international competition more worthwhile, which isn't going to happen as long as Origin rules the roost.

Go it alone with five teams ? Nah

like you said nz is partly funding other teams bc it needs them to exist

the whole competition is a house of cards rn

potentially If they went back to 3 Australian sides and brought back sa it might go back to being a viable comp but maybe the damage is irreversible

the big problem is Australian union needs hundreds of millions invested to get back into a situation where it can be viable

 

[Matua]

Go it alone with five teams ? Nah

like you said nz is partly funding other teams bc it needs them to exist

the whole competition is a house of cards rn

potentially If they went back to 3 Australian sides and brought back sa it might go back to being a viable comp but maybe the damage is irreversible

the big problem is Australian union needs hundreds of millions invested to get back into a situation where it can be viable

They wouldn't stay with 5 teams if they went alone.

You keep saying it's not a viable comp but that's just your feelings.

 

[Wb1234]

They wouldn't stay with 5 teams if they went alone.

You keep saying it's not a viable comp but that's just your feelings.

This whole thread is peoples opinions though isn’t it

fair enough if that’s your response