New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Pippen94]

Somebody remind me to unwatch this topic

 

[Dark Corner]

We need more guys like this being produced

Off topic but I checked the Twitter feed and noticed the NFL started a 7 a side comp with no helmets but can't find anything on it.

 

[Dark Corner]

Somebody remind me to unwatch this topic

Hi mate just reminding you to unwatch this topic....if you haven't done already.

 

[bad boy bubby]

Off topic but I checked the Twitter feed and noticed the NFL started a 7 a side comp with no helmets but can't find anything on it.

American 7s Football League - National 7v7 Tackle Football

The American 7s Football League (A7FL®) was created to make tackle football significantly safer while retaining the toughness sports fans love. 7v7 tackle football.

www.a7fl.com

 

[Dark Corner]

American 7s Football League - National 7v7 Tackle Football

The American 7s Football League (A7FL®) was created to make tackle football significantly safer while retaining the toughness sports fans love. 7v7 tackle football.

www.a7fl.com

They should play that version at half time or before an NFL game.

 

[Matua]

This whole thread is peoples opinions though isn’t it

fair enough if that’s your response

Somme of us are basing our opinions on facts about NZ and the state of sport in the country.

You seem to be basing yours on some war you're having with rugby in your head.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Somme of us are basing our opinions on facts about NZ and the state of sport in the country.

You seem to be basing yours on some war you're having with rugby in your head.

Why is it always personal with you guys?
Rugby Union is struggling in the Pacific ( super rugby) it's coming into question if it's even viable...
Rugby league is thriving! Adding teams!

Rugby league will add a team in NZ.. while Super Rugby falls apart...
CD' replaced casets over time because they're better

Slowly but surely.

Every heard someone say " wow what a lineout" me neither.

 

[siv]

NZ really needs a return of a NZ Cup in the same model as the Qld Cup.

But the provincial structure seems to work

 

[Pneuma]

Why is it always personal with you guys?
Rugby Union is struggling in the Pacific ( super rugby) it's coming into question if it's even viable...
Rugby league is thriving! Adding teams!

Rugby league will add a team in NZ.. while Super Rugby falls apart...
CD' replaced casets over time because they're better

Slowly but surely.

Every heard someone say " wow what a lineout" me neither.

This whole discussion is pretty pointless until the NRL actually does something. The South Pacific islands are there for the taking imho. NZ itself will always be a union stronghold but there is plenty of room for league to capture a sizeable market with some logic planning. Union in Australia is in tatters as we all know. It’s up to the NRL to capitalise on the situation. But I can not see league ever dominating Union in NZ. It doesn’t need to anyway. By the way, the kiwis play the only watchable rugby in the world I reckon. It’s good at all levels.

 

[Dark Corner]

Why is it always personal with you guys?
Rugby Union is struggling in the Pacific ( super rugby) it's coming into question if it's even viable...
Rugby league is thriving! Adding teams!

Rugby league will add a team in NZ.. while Super Rugby falls apart...
CD' replaced casets over time because they're better

Slowly but surely.

Every heard someone say " wow what a lineout" me neither.

It's good to have a different views but remain respectful as I post on the excellent (forum Total Rugby League as well as this forum) and I like the Cross Code section as I'm 1 of the few who love to see a Unified Code of Rugby basically IRB/WR union become League especially with struggles with both codes in the UK be it pro, semi pro and amateur.
Maybe I start a thread in the right place but don't me shot down for it as have been in awe of the ARL/NRL since 1994 but hell came over with the Covid of the Football codes and it had to be Rugby League.

 

[Te Kaha]

Why is it always personal with you guys?
Rugby Union is struggling in the Pacific ( super rugby) it's coming into question if it's even viable...
Rugby league is thriving! Adding teams!

Rugby league will add a team in NZ.. while Super Rugby falls apart...
CD' replaced casets over time because they're better

Slowly but surely.

Every heard someone say " wow what a lineout" me neither.

It's never been "personal", It's simply you have no idea what you are talking about.

Your claim about Super Rugby, while wrong, is also irrelevant. While to League the NRL is everything, To Rugby "Super Rugby" is not even close to that. You simply are simply too ignorant to understand.

Rugby League is only "thriving" in Australia. In NZ is is near its death bed. There is no real investment, the "significant increase" that the ARLC trumpeted, was only 1.5 million according to this financial years reports of the NZRL. That will do nothing.

And its now clear, given Sky will not fund it, with it's no real value to Aussie broadcasters compared to a new Aussie team, that no second NRL team will happen in the near to mid future, and most likely never at all.

Oh.. and just because you have never heard something only shows your tiny world is insignificant. Doesn't mean its never been said.

 

[Te Kaha]

NZ really needs a return of a NZ Cup in the same model as the Qld Cup.

But the provincial structure seems to work

There is simply no money for it.

 

[Wb1234]

Somme of us are basing our opinions on facts about NZ and the state of sport in the country.

You seem to be basing yours on some war you're having with rugby in your head.

You aren’t basing it on anything other than your opinion

ngl you just don’t understand the nrl much tbh

plus you have no idea of the history of rugby league and the contribution nz had made to it

and you really have your head in the sand about the current state of super rugby

but like I said your welcome to your opinion

it’s not going to change anything

maybe you should go to some super rugby games instead of arguing with Aussie league fans that’s where your sport really needs the help

ive probably been to more warriors games than you have

when I’m proven right Its going to be fun reminding the doubters

 

[Pneuma]

It's never been "personal", It's simply you have no idea what you are talking about.

Your claim about Super Rugby, while wrong, is also irrelevant. While to League the NRL is everything, To Rugby "Super Rugby" is not even close to that. You simply are simply too ignorant to understand.

Rugby League is only "thriving" in Australia. In NZ is is near its death bed. There is no real investment, the "significant increase" that the ARLC trumpeted, was only 1.5 million according to this financial years reports of the NZRL. That will do nothing.

And its now clear, given Sky will not fund it, with it's no real value to Aussie broadcasters compared to a new Aussie team, that no second NRL team will happen in the near to mid future, and most likely never at all.

Oh.. and just because you have never heard something only shows your tiny world is insignificant. Doesn't mean its never been said.

I’m not sure rugby league is in its death bed in NZ at all. It’s been in better shape but until we see how it and other sports revive after Covid, and we aren’t there yet, you don’t know.
The NRL and it’s NZ counterparts have a vested interest in strengthening the game and I can’t see a reason why they won’t. I find it a bit strange though that somebody can be so totally negative about league as you are on a league forum as you are . Each to their own I suppose but you sure enjoy death riding our code.

 

[Te Kaha]

I’m not sure rugby league is in its death bed in NZ at all. It’s been in better shape but until we see how it and other sports revive after Covid, and we aren’t there yet, you don’t know.
The NRL and it’s NZ counterparts have a vested interest in strengthening the game and I can’t see a reason why they won’t. I find it a bit strange though that somebody can be so totally negative about league as you are on a league forum as you are . Each to their own I suppose but you sure enjoy death riding our code.

yet another Australian who thinks he knows better about the state of NZ League more than actual NZers.

Do you know the junior numbers in NZ? do you know the participation numbers in NZ? Do you know the investment spend on League in NZ? The code needs hundreds of millions in investment to setup academies and coaching and playing structures.
The Warriors were the worst thing to happen to domestic League in NZ. They directly caused the deaths of dozens of clubs throughout the country when players centralised in Auckland with the hope if securing a contract.
And now some ignorant Australians want to do it again without the structures and support in place to make it even worse.

If the NRL\ARLC actually wanted to help the code in NZ rather than just pillage it for players they would be investing more than a couple of million a year.

 

[Matua]

You aren’t basing it on anything other than your opinion

ngl you just don’t understand the nrl much tbh

plus you have no idea of the history of rugby league and the contribution nz had made to it

and you really have your head in the sand about the current state of super rugby

but like I said your welcome to your opinion

it’s not going to change anything

maybe you should go to some super rugby games instead of arguing with Aussie league fans that’s where your sport really needs the help

ive probably been to more warriors games than you have

when I’m proven right Its going to be fun reminding the doubters

Haha. So despite the fact I'm a NZer who grew up playing league in NZ I have "no idea of the history of rugby league and the contribution nz made to it"? At any rate the history of rugby league is irrelevant to this discussion.

Unlike you I'm a fan of both sports, I go to both Super games and league games. I don't have a childish hatred of one over the other. I want the Kiwis and the ABs to win everything. I want the Warriors to be run professionally and be an actual "NZ" team instead of the journeyman Aussie team they've been this year.

As Te Kaha notes above Super rugby isn't the be all and end all of rugby, it doesn't drive the money or the fandom like the NRL does - they're two different business models. For me personally it's a distant third to the ABs and the Magpies (NPC).

You have your head in the stand about the ability of rugby league to dominate in NZ. Seriously, see if you can answer these questions with an actual plan:
- How is the NRL going to convert rugby playing schools to league playing schools?
- What type of domestic competition is the NRL going to set up in NZ to keep the interest of people in the provinces?
- How is the NRL going to grow the international game so that NZers have an alternative to the ABs?

 

[Pneuma]

yet another Australian who thinks he knows better about the state of NZ League more than actual NZers.

Do you know the junior numbers in NZ? do you know the participation numbers in NZ? Do you know the investment spend on League in NZ? The code needs hundreds of millions in investment to setup academies and coaching and playing structures.
The Warriors were the worst thing to happen to domestic League in NZ. They directly caused the deaths of dozens of clubs throughout the country when players centralised in Auckland with the hope if securing a contract.
And now some ignorant Australians want to do it again without the structures and support in place to make it even worse.

If the NRL\ARLC actually wanted to help the code in NZ rather than just pillage it for players they would be investing more than a couple of million a year.

I probably know a bit more than you realise but given your response it doesn’t really matter. You really need to tone it down. People are entitled to a different opinion. Looking through this thread yours is one of relentless negativity. We’ll see over time.

 

[Matua]

Why is it always personal with you guys?
Rugby Union is struggling in the Pacific ( super rugby) it's coming into question if it's even viable...
Rugby league is thriving! Adding teams!

Rugby league will add a team in NZ.. while Super Rugby falls apart...
CD' replaced casets over time because they're better

Slowly but surely.

Every heard someone say " wow what a lineout" me neither.

It's not personal, but you guys are making statements that have little basis in reality based on (from a reading of your posts) a dislike/hatred of rugby and a belief that league is superior. This does not lead to a rational discussion because to the majority of NZers league is not superior. Te Kaha and I are both league and rugby fans, hatred or a belief in superiority of one over the other is not clouding our posts. We're just trying to give you and your mate insight as to why your opinions of the ability of league to dominate rugby in NZ are unrealistic.

Your final comment just highlights how little understanding you have of rugby and it's fans. Great lineout steals are discussed frequently on rugby forums. As an example, one of the most famous ones in NZ rugby was Whitelock winning a crucial one in the 2015 world cup semi final against the Springboks, it essentially was the winning of that world cup for the ABs.

 

[Wb1234]

Haha. So despite the fact I'm a NZer who grew up playing league in NZ I have "no idea of the history of rugby league and the contribution nz made to it"? At any rate the history of rugby league is irrelevant to this discussion.

Unlike you I'm a fan of both sports, I go to both Super games and league games. I don't have a childish hatred of one over the other. I want the Kiwis and the ABs to win everything. I want the Warriors to be run professionally and be an actual "NZ" team instead of the journeyman Aussie team they've been this year.

As Te Kaha notes above Super rugby isn't the be all and end all of rugby, it doesn't drive the money or the fandom like the NRL does - they're two different business models. For me personally it's a distant third to the ABs and the Magpies (NPC).

You have your head in the stand about the ability of rugby league to dominate in NZ. Seriously, see if you can answer these questions with an actual plan:
- How is the NRL going to convert rugby playing schools to league playing schools?
- What type of domestic competition is the NRL going to set up in NZ to keep the interest of people in the provinces?
- How is the NRL going to grow the international game so that NZers have an alternative to the ABs?

Money buddy money

the issue isn’t can the nrl take over in nz

the question is whether it’s prepared to put the effort into doing it

for 20 years the nrl has basically stood still after the super league war

now it’s growing again and it’s leaders have said they want to grow a lot in nz and the pacific

nrl clubs and players have never gotten as much money as they do today

and guess what it’s going up in a few years again

nrl will turn over 640 million this year and in five years probably a billion dollars a year

the nrl salary cap will start at 12.5 million next year with clubs receding 17.5 million

the game is dripping in money and a desire to expand in nz

meanwhile super rugby is struggling big time

seems pretty obvious to me what’s going to happen even without another nz nrl team

 

[Matua]

I probably know a bit more than you realise but given your response it doesn’t really matter. You really need to tone it down. People are entitled to a different opinion. Looking through this thread yours is one of relentless negativity. We’ll see over time.

Is there any other option to be negative when so many of the posts he's responding to have completely unrealistic ideas about the state of league in NZ?

I'd much rather have a rational discussion about ways to improve league in NZ but instead we're in a cycle of responding to repetitive unrealistic ideas based on "I like league better" (and yes I'm fully aware I could just bug out of this thread, but it is somewhat entertaining to see posters just double and triple down on a limited understanding of league in NZ).