New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[TheEroticGamer]

If the NRL Nines cannot compete with an AFLW Derby then how will the Pirates fare going head to head with the Eagles and Dockers?

International RL isn't a draw in Australia and New Zealand.

With competent scheduling it wouldn’t. AFLW is shithouse but the first WA derby was a big deal it’s just the way it is. Having league on at the same time there on top of having it start whilst kids were still at school the previous day is catastrophically stupid.

There’s at least two days a round where there is no Perth AFL team playing. One if you’re only counting games actually in Perth. If they can avoid them and schedule the games for when kids aren’t still having recess then we’ll be fine.

 

[Wb1234]

You're one of the wankers who ridiculed the attendance at last week's PNG vs Fiji game.

It's funny how the delusional dyslexic dopes of "Perff" scrutinise every aspect of NZ2, PNG, Brisbane 2 and Brisbane 3, yet claim anyone who does the same with Perth is an AFL troll.

This is just brilliant

 

[Bukowski]

With competent scheduling it wouldn’t. AFLW is shithouse but the first WA derby was a big deal it’s just the way it is. Having league on at the same time there on top of having it start whilst kids were still at school the previous day is catastrophically stupid.

There’s at least two days a round where there is no Perth AFL team playing. One if you’re only counting games actually in Perth. If they can avoid them and schedule the games for when kids aren’t still having recess then we’ll be fine.

14k for a hit and giggle match was a great result considering the scheduling.
We saw this year that real games, for competition points, will get even bigger crowds.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

With competent scheduling it wouldn’t. AFLW is shithouse but the first WA derby was a big deal it’s just the way it is. Having league on at the same time there on top of having it start whilst kids were still at school the previous day is catastrophically stupid.

There’s at least two days a round where there is no Perth AFL team playing. One if you’re only counting games actually in Perth. If they can avoid them and schedule the games for when kids aren’t still having recess then we’ll be fine.

How many active supporters will attend a Perth-based team's home games?

How much money will it generate?

The club won't have access to gaming revenue. WA prohibits licenced venues from having pokies.

Nor will it generate much from game day. The facilities at Perth Rectangular Stadium are too mediocre to command top dollar for its corporate boxes. There's only 20k seats in total. This puts the club in a similar position as the poorest Sydney clubs that are derided by a certain poster. The two other tenants at the ground have struggled financially.

Unlike the Storm, News Ltd won't break the bank to cover any losses. It's questionable whether News Ltd want a Perth-based team.

It'll be difficult for a Perth-based team to recruit quality juniors from SEQ and New Zealand. We've now got the Dolphins and Titans covering the gap that the Storm exploited when the Chargers and Crushers were axed. Without that opening the Storm wouldn't have landed Cronk, Smith, Folau and Slater. Nor would they have so much support in SEQ.

There won't be a Craig Bellamy around to give a Perth-based team an edge over everyone else.

I don't know a single Western Australian that likes rugby league. The ones I know watch fumbleball and hate "rugby". The people on here talking up Perth are not originally from Perth. The previous Premier of WA was originally from NSW. The bid is being pushed by interstate migrants who've relocated to Perth. There's nothing organic about it.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

International RL isn't a draw in Australia and New Zealand.

????

After a 4 year break from international RL in the Southern Hemisphere we've just had

23k in Auckland for NZ v Samoa
18k in Townsville for Aus v Samoa
20k in Melbourne for Aus v NZ

Then before the "pandemic"...

2019
25k at Mt Smart for Aus v Tonga
23k at Mt Smart for NZ v Tonga
20k in Melbourne for Aus v NZ

2017
40k at Suncorp for Aus v Eng
30k at Mt Smart for Tonga v England
22k at Suncorp for Aus v Fiji
24k at Waikato for NZ v Tonga
22k in Melbourne for Aus v Eng
21k in Sydney for Aus v Lebanon
18k at Waikato for Tonga v Samoa
17k at Mt Smart for NZ v Samoa

Pretty much all of these crowds are above the NRL average crowd level and the ratings for the Pacific Cup were very decent

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

This is just brilliant

It's ironic that a Perth-based team will never be any bigger than the smallest team from Sydney.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

????

After a 4 year break from international RL in the Southern Hemisphere we've just had

23k in Auckland for NZ v Samoa
18k in Townsville for Aus v Samoa
20k in Melbourne for Aus v NZ

Then before the "pandemic"...

2019
25k at Mt Smart for Aus v Tonga
23k at Mt Smart for NZ v Tonga
20k in Melbourne for Aus v NZ

2017
40k at Suncorp for Aus v Eng
30k at Mt Smart for Tonga v England
22k at Suncorp for Aus v Fiji
24k at Waikato for NZ v Tonga
22k in Melbourne for Aus v Eng
21k in Sydney for Aus v Lebanon
18k at Waikato for Tonga v Samoa
17k at Mt Smart for NZ v Samoa

Pretty much all of these crowds are above the NRL average crowd level and the ratings for the Pacific Cup were very decent

They pale in comparison to Origin and RU Tests. As dead as RU is in this country, it still draws great crowds for Tests.

 

[Perth Red]

How many active supporters will attend a Perth-based team's home games?

How much money will it generate?

The club won't have access to gaming revenue. WA prohibits licenced venues from having pokies.

Nor will it generate much from game day. The facilities at Perth Rectangular Stadium are too mediocre to command top dollar for its corporate boxes. There's only 20k seats in total. This puts the club in a similar position as the poorest Sydney clubs that are derided by a certain poster. The two other tenants at the ground have struggled financially.

Unlike the Storm, News Ltd won't break the bank to cover any losses. It's questionable whether News Ltd want a Perth-based team.

It'll be difficult for a Perth-based team to recruit quality juniors from SEQ and New Zealand. We've now got the Dolphins and Titans covering the gap that the Storm exploited when the Chargers and Crushers were axed. Without that opening the Storm wouldn't have landed Cronk, Smith, Folau and Slater. Nor would they have so much support in SEQ.

There won't be a Craig Bellamy around to give a Perth-based team an edge over everyone else.

I don't know a single Western Australian that likes rugby league. The ones I know watch fumbleball and hate "rugby". The people on here talking up Perth are not originally from Perth. The previous Premier of WA was originally from NSW. The bid is being pushed by interstate migrants who've relocated to Perth. There's nothing organic about it.

That’s a long rant that’s got nothing to do with nz2 lol

 

[Maximus]

This is just brilliant

@Get Rid of The Donkeys when the forum dunce is your cheerleader, you should probably rethink your life choices.

 

[Canard]

AFLW is held in the NRL off season. Problem solved, next

 

[mongoose]

How many active supporters will attend a Perth-based team's home games?

How much money will it generate?

The club won't have access to gaming revenue. WA prohibits licenced venues from having pokies.

Nor will it generate much from game day. The facilities at Perth Rectangular Stadium are too mediocre to command top dollar for its corporate boxes. There's only 20k seats in total. This puts the club in a similar position as the poorest Sydney clubs that are derided by a certain poster. The two other tenants at the ground have struggled financially.

Unlike the Storm, News Ltd won't break the bank to cover any losses. It's questionable whether News Ltd want a Perth-based team.

It'll be difficult for a Perth-based team to recruit quality juniors from SEQ and New Zealand. We've now got the Dolphins and Titans covering the gap that the Storm exploited when the Chargers and Crushers were axed. Without that opening the Storm wouldn't have landed Cronk, Smith, Folau and Slater. Nor would they have so much support in SEQ.

There won't be a Craig Bellamy around to give a Perth-based team an edge over everyone else.

I don't know a single Western Australian that likes rugby league. The ones I know watch fumbleball and hate "rugby". The people on here talking up Perth are not originally from Perth. The previous Premier of WA was originally from NSW. The bid is being pushed by interstate migrants who've relocated to Perth. There's nothing organic about it.

Plenty of people in WA who like League and want an NRL team, you are just a f**king liar... "nobody in WA likes League" is the type of comment an AFL troll makes too

 

[Wb1234]

Must be a slow day on nrl reddit

 

[Bukowski]

Plenty of people in WA who like League and want an NRL team, you are just a f**king liar... "nobody in WA likes League" is the type of comment an AFL troll makes too

It's funny how no one in Perth likes league but Perth is the most popular taking point on here. Meanwhile B3 thread is gathering dust.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Plenty of people in WA who like League and want an NRL team, you are just a f**king liar... "nobody in WA likes League" is the type of comment an AFL troll makes too

How do you explain the average FTA metro ratings for Perth being just 8k?

Don't bring up Kayo/Foxtel. That data isn't released to the public. It's also a stupid "look over there" tactic to deflect the discussion. Perth isn't the only metro area that has Kayo/Foxtel.

How do you explain Perth having less players than Melbourne?

While you're at it, can you back up your moronic claim that there's no demand for a third team in Brisbane?

We've got the bid from Brisbane Tigers and the statement from Head of Strategy WWOS proving you're full of shit.

It really pissed you off that I was right about a traditional BRL club getting an NRL licence. It infuriates you that another traditional BRL club is the only viable bidder from Australia.

So when the 2nd Brisbane team finally gets introduced do you think that they, the Broncos and Titans are going to be welcoming to a 3rd Brisbane club anytime soon? It will be another 30 years before they even entertain that idea. Will the NRL even exist in 30 years?

This prediction from 2020 didn't age well.

 

[mongoose]

How do you explain the average FTA metro ratings for Perth being just 8k?

Don't bring up Kayo/Foxtel. That data isn't released to the public. It's also a stupid "look over there" tactic to deflect the discussion. Perth isn't the only metro area that has Kayo/Foxtel.

How do you explain Perth having less players than Melbourne?

While you're at it, can you back up your moronic claim that there's no demand for a third team in Brisbane?

We've got the bid from Brisbane Tigers and the statement from Head of Strategy WWOS proving you're full of shit.

It really pissed you off that I was right about a traditional BRL club getting an NRL licence. It infuriates you that another traditional BRL club is the only viable bidder from Australia.

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This prediction from 2020 didn't age well.

Well we won't know how much interest there is until they have their own team will we? Crowds from 1996 when the game was going to shit and 9gem ratings for Sharks vs Titans probably isn't a good barometer is it?

You really are trying a bit too hard to argue against Perth, claiming WA can't produce quality athletes. pfft

yes i'm so infuriated and such a psychotic lunatic to disagree with you lol oh and i hate Brisbane, i want it to fall into the ocean cause rugby league expansion - you are truly a rational minded individual.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Well we won't know how much interest there is until they have their own team will we? Crowds from 1996 when the game was going to shit and 9gem ratings for Sharks vs Titans probably isn't a good barometer is it?

I don't have to cite their crowds from 1996. Their debut season only attracted an average of 13,390 fans to their home games. They had a strong team, too. Cowboys generated 20,000 with a team that won two games. Yet your mate from Perth reckons the ARL and News Ltd should have kept the Reds and booted the Cowboys. Only in the crazy head of an LU expansionist can that make sense.

You really are trying a bit too hard to argue against Perth, claiming WA can't produce quality athletes. pfft

Why can't you just answer the f**king question?

I asked for a list of elite golfers, tennis players, swimmers, track and field athletes and other athletes that are from Perth.

I can name three Queenslanders that have won a Grand Slam in the last 30 years: Pat Rafter; Sam Stosur and Ash Barty. The only Western Australian I can think of is Margaret Court. She retired long before I was born.

How about swimmers who've won Olympic gold?

Queensland has produced the likes of Kieren Perkins, Susie O'Neill, Samantha Reilly, Stephanie Rice, Grant Hackett, Leisel Jones, David Thiele, Kaylee McKeown, Libby Trickett, Duncan Armstrong and Jodie Henry. There's far more I could name.

What about golfers who've dominated the game?

Queensland has produced champions, such as; Jason Day, Adam Scott, Cameron Smith and Greg Norman.

What about track and field?

In my lifetime the only Australians to win gold in track are Sally Pearson and Cathy Freeman. Both are from Queensland.

Queensland's Anna Meares is the best Olympic cyclist Australia has ever produced.

Isn't NBA star Paty Mills from Brisbane?

Aron Baynes is another NBA player from Queensland.

Indycar winner Will Power is from Toowoomba.

It's an important question to ask since one of the reasons cited for expanding to Perth is generating more players. If you cannot answer it then that's okay. I won't hold it against you. I already know you're a dumbarse.

yes i'm so infuriated and such a psychotic lunatic to disagree with you lol oh and i hate Brisbane, i want it to fall into the ocean cause rugby league expansion - you are truly a rational minded individual.

You're so sane you think there's a conspiracy between Ch9, News Ltd, ARLC and ARU to not put an NRL team in Perth. You also think I am an "AFL troll" because I believe a third Brisbane team is better than one from Perth. Then I guess Phil Gould is one too as be thinks Brisbane should have a third and could support a fourth. Peter Psaltis must also be one. He launched the Tigers' bid and said Brisbane can support four teams. Ch9 must also be secret AFL trolls for wanting a fifth Queensland team.

 

[The Great Dane]

Isn't NBA star Paty Mills from Brisbane?

No he isn't.

You could build a similar list of successful and/or professional sports people from every state and territory in Australia, all of which is totally irrelevant to Perth's potential as a juniors nursery for the NRL.

You can't produce a regular stream of professional players until there're concrete opportunities in a sport and a pathway to professionalism, and under the NRL's current system of junior development that's impossible without a professional club willing to invest in and operate those systems, which will almost certainly require a local team in the case of Perth/WA and almost all other genuine expansion markets.

Before you bring it up; the fact that the Storm totally neglected junior development in Melbourne/Victoria until very recently isn't evidence that it's impossible, or particularly difficult frankly, to develop new talent pools in new markets. It's more expensive and time consuming than anything else, which is why the Storm focused on poaching Qlders over VIC. Maybe this wouldn't be such a big issue if we had a centralised national method of developing talent, instead of placing all of that burden onto a relative handful of professional clubs that will always place their own interests first. . . A radical idea I know...

BTW, the NRL could support more teams in the Sydney metro area for example, doesn't mean that they should put more teams in Sydney any more than Brisbane, and nobody but the most delusionally out of touch and/or entitled would argue otherwise. In saying that, if we've learned anything from the last few years it's that the only difference between suburban fans from Sydney and Brisbane is whether they wear blue or maroon shirts at SOO time.

 

[mongoose]

haha yeah isn't Patty Mills from Canberra?... F1 driver Mark Webber too, well technically Queanbeyan but we'll claim him. Pretty sure Daniel Ricciardo is from Perth though.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

No he isn't.

You could build a similar list of successful and/or professional sports people from every state and territory in Australia, all of which is totally irrelevant to Perth's potential as a juniors nursery for the NRL.

You can't produce a regular stream of professional players until there're concrete opportunities in a sport and a pathway to professionalism, and under the NRL's current system of junior development that's impossible without a professional club willing to invest in and operate those systems, which will almost certainly require a local team in the case of Perth/WA and almost all other genuine expansion markets.

Before you bring it up; the fact that the Storm totally neglected junior development in Melbourne/Victoria until very recently isn't evidence that it's impossible, or particularly difficult frankly, to develop new talent pools in new markets. It's more expensive and time consuming than anything else, which is why the Storm focused on poaching Qlders over VIC. Maybe if we had a centralised national method of developing talent, instead of placing all of that burden onto a relative handful of professional clubs that will always place their own interests first, this wouldn't be such a big issue. . . A radical idea I know...

BTW, the NRL could support more teams in the Sydney metro area for example, doesn't mean that they should put more teams in Sydney any more than Brisbane, and nobody but the most delusionally out of touch and/or entitled would argue otherwise. In saying that, if we've learned anything from the last few years it's that the only difference between suburban fans from Sydney and Brisbane is whether they wear blue or maroon shirts at SOO time.

What you're saying is Melbourne Storm couldn't be bothered developing their own players because it's too expensive, but we should ignore their self-serving actions and put a team in Perth then hope that thr new club invests in their local clubs.

I'm yet to see any evidence that adding teams in markets that don't care for our game is a good investment.

This year we've seen memberships and attendances in Brisbane rise by 40k and 300k.

Dolphins generate more revenue from sponsorship than all clubs bar the Broncos. Dolphins generated higher attendances than all clubs bar the Broncos. Dolphins were the fifth most watched club in 2023.

The Dolphins have been a massive success and Ch9 wants another Brisbane team. They don't want teams in Adelaide and Perth that will only draw 15-30k fans in their home market.

 

[The Great Dane]

haha yeah isn't Patty Mills from Canberra?... F1 driver Mark Webber too, well technically Queanbeyan but we'll claim him. Pretty sure Daniel Ricciardo is from Perth though.

Yeah he's from the ACT, but the fact that he, Nick Kyrgios, Caroline Buchanan, etc, etc, etc, are from the ACT doesn't mean that Canberra is any more or less valuable as a place to source athletic talent than anywhere else in the country.