New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Looking at elite comps around the world in other codes 20 teams is about right. Interestingly the attendance differentials between clubs is far more profound than in the NRL. The EPL, Bundesliga and other comps usually have a 700-800% variation in average attendances from top to bottom. In the NRL it’s roughly 200%. But that’s a discussion for another thread.

Can you name one domestic franchise-based competition that has nine small teams in the same market while 40% of the country's markets have none?

That's the thing with comparisons. They need to be like for like or they're meaningless.

Comparing the NRL with the EPL is just dumb and deceitful. You know the EPL and most competitions across Europe use promotion and relegation that allows teams to work their way to the top. Smaller ones can get to the top through private investment, but they usually drop down the pyramid when the funds dry up.

North America uses a franchise model like the NRL. The NFL doesn't have nine small teams in one market while others cities remain empty. NYC and Los Angeles only have two teams in the NFL.

 

[Pneuma]

Can you name one domestic franchise-based competition that has nine small teams in the same market while 40% of the country's markets have none?

That's the thing with comparisons. They need to be like for like or they're meaningless.

Comparing the NRL with the EPL is just dumb and deceitful. You know the EPL and most competitions across Europe use promotion and relegation that allows teams to work their way to the top. Smaller ones can get to the top through private investment, but they usually drop down the pyramid when the funds dry up.

North America uses a franchise model like the NRL. The NFL doesn't have nine small teams in one market while others cities remain empty. NYC and Los Angeles only have two teams in the NFL.

We’ll just have to agree to hold a different opinion then. I’m very relaxed with the current NRL model and its future prospects for expansion. You clearly are not. I’m unimpressed with your arguments and endless whinging about something you can not change. It’s obviously a massive issue for you.

 

[Wb1234]

No you try to intimidate. And you try to bully people out of discussing things that make you uncomfortable. It’s clear you really dislike this discussion so you try to shut it down. It’s pretty obvious. It’s also clear you are not a good moderator and don’t deserve to be one. I hope that helps.

This is true

there’s debate and then there is personal abuse because you don’t like what other people are saying

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

We’ll just have to agree to hold a different opinion then. I’m very relaxed with the current NRL model and its future prospects for expansion. You clearly are not. I’m unimpressed with your arguments and endless whinging about something you can not change. It’s obviously a massive issue for you.

I talk about this subject endlessly because I'm passionate about it and believe our game will lose marketshare unless it stops pandering to small Sydney clubs.

The amount of money that's squandered on Sydney clubs to keep them in the black could be spent on developing the game across schools and junior competitions in Australia, New Zealand and PNG. Basing the competition around nine small teams and canning teams in Adelaide, Perth and Queensland has set our game back 30 years. You can bury your head in the sand all you like, but it doesn't change the fact we gave our main competitor a 30 year head start over us to establish themselves as Australia's only national tier one football code.

How do you expect our broadcast deals to keep up with our main competitor when they now have a truly national product and we don't have a presence in 40% of metropolitan Australia?

AwFuL increased the divide when they formed their new deal with Seven/Foxtel. Things are only going to get worse until we fix the problem. You would rather let the problem to fester away because it involves your club.

I can predict your response. You'll be a smart arse to deflect from the issues I've raised because you don’t have a counter argument.

 

[Wb1234]

I see. You’re a moderator that doesn’t moderate. Cute.

I can’t remember which sub forum he mods in but pretty sure it’s not this one

can you imagine him controlling debate about rugby league expansion ? Lmao

 

[Wb1234]

And my point is most of the guys they're getting are league guys anyway. So they're not always stealing rugby players as some of the posters on here are making out.

You said this earlier and I think it shows the disconnect between yourself and others you appear to arguing on the same side as:

No one, not me or Te Kaha are arguing their wont be an affect. However, the premise of this thread from the opening post and then in frequent posts is that a second team will "deal a massive blow" to rugby and that league will take over. There's a big gap between those two points.

So a second nz team will take away from rugby union

it won’t be 5 percent either but at least we are making progress bc it was bloody obvious lol

 

[Wb1234]

Which is what Roy stated should happen but you conveniently ignored.

He literally ignored 99 percent of the article to make his point

 

[Wb1234]

I think you'll find this will get withered away in the coming years.
You can only hold back real Coke for so long.
They know it! Hence the outrage lol

‘This sport is crazy’: Former NFL running back Reggie Bush loses it over ‘nuts’ NRL highlights video

‘This sport is crazy’: American football legend loses it over ‘nuts’ NRL video

www.foxsports.com.au

Nfl Star agrees with you

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

@Pneuma failed the test I set for him. Reverted to deflection because he doesn't have a counter argument. He's just another dumb troll with an IQ of about 75. It's amazing how many of them support the Sharks.

 

[Gobsmacked]

New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby.

 

[Gobsmacked]

You really don't have any idea what you are talking about.



No You don't, You can't put moderators on ignore. You choose to ignore, but you are forced to read what I post.



Well then you don't have to hang around. You can either ignore it, complain, or step back from the internet if that offends you so much.

So you're from New Zealand.
You're a moderator. ( obviously not this thread)
Love RU and played it growing up.

The Union part that you're supposed to be moderating is quite. That makes you angry and disappointed..

The Warriors are struggling and a second NZ team is a threat. That makes you angry and disappointed.

Super Rugby is struggling and another League team won't help. That makes you angry and upset.

So you're supposed to be busy talking up how great Rugby is doing but you find yourself here defending the sport.
Plus you're just a horrible person.

Have you ever considered just trying real Coke? It's amazing!
Don't fight it.

 

[Pneuma]

So you're from New Zealand.
You're a moderator. ( obviously not this thread)
Love RU and played it growing up.

The Union part that you're supposed to be moderating is quite. That makes you angry and disappointed..

The Warriors are struggling and a second NZ team is a threat. That makes you angry and disappointed.

Super Rugby is struggling and another League team won't help. That makes you angry and upset.

So you're supposed to be busy talking up how great Rugby is doing but you find yourself here defending the sport.
Plus you're just a horrible person.

Have you ever considered just trying real Coke? It's amazing!
Don't fight it.

Pretty much sums him up. An angry irrational little kiwi on the defensive with a massive chip in his shoulder .

 

[Pneuma]

@Pneuma failed the test I set for him. Reverted to deflection because he doesn't have a counter argument. He's just another dumb troll with an IQ of about 75. It's amazing how many of them support the Sharks.

What test? I simply disagreed with you. You are the one ranting and raving like an unhinged lunatic about something you can’t change. The constant meltdowns are a joy to behold!

 

[siv]

Can you name one domestic franchise-based competition that has nine small teams in the same market while 40% of the country's markets have none?

That's the thing with comparisons. They need to be like for like or they're meaningless.

Comparing the NRL with the EPL is just dumb and deceitful. You know the EPL and most competitions across Europe use promotion and relegation that allows teams to work their way to the top. Smaller ones can get to the top through private investment, but they usually drop down the pyramid when the funds dry up.

North America uses a franchise model like the NRL. The NFL doesn't have nine small teams in one market while others cities remain empty. NYC and Los Angeles only have two teams in the NFL.

Ah AFL

 

[siv]

Back to NZ

How many teams play in Aucklands top tier?

How many play in Wellington & Christchurch

How many NPC teams away from these 3 centres?

I am thinking a NZ Cup Should be around 10 to 12 teams with average wage of 40k with a squad of 25 each team

 

[Te Kaha]

So you're from New Zealand.
You're a moderator. ( obviously not this thread)
Love RU and played it growing up.

The Union part that you're supposed to be moderating is quite. That makes you angry and disappointed..

The Warriors are struggling and a second NZ team is a threat. That makes you angry and disappointed.

Super Rugby is struggling and another League team won't help. That makes you angry and upset.

So you're supposed to be busy talking up how great Rugby is doing but you find yourself here defending the sport.
Plus you're just a horrible person.

Have you ever considered just trying real Coke? It's amazing!
Don't fight it.

Litterally none of that is true. But its not like you ever let facts get in the way of a good story.

Pretty much sums him up. An angry irrational little kiwi on the defensive with a massive chip in his shoulder .

BAHAHAHAHA funny coming from a semi literate Aussie who thinks he knows more about New Zealanders than the New Zealanders themselves.

Back to NZ

How many teams play in Aucklands top tier?

How many play in Wellington & Christchurch

How many NPC teams away from these 3 centres?

I am thinking a NZ Cup Should be around 10 to 12 teams with average wage of 40k with a squad of 25 each team

Auckland - 20
Wellington - 10
ChCh - 8
NPC - 26 provinces

Without a benefactor there isn't the money. Here is the last annual report, including the ARLC grant.
The "zones" only got 558K between them to run their area.

 

[Pneuma]

Litterally none of that is true. But its not like you ever let facts get in the way of a good story.



BAHAHAHAHA funny coming from a semi literate Aussie who thinks he knows more about New Zealanders than the New Zealanders themselves.



Auckland - 20
Wellington - 10
ChCh - 8
NPC - 26 provinces

Without a benefactor there isn't the money. Here is the last annual report, including the ARLC grant.
The "zones" only got 558K between them to run their area.

And today’s irrational rant thus begins!

 

[Te Kaha]

Well I disagree. It’s nice to see you on topic though. You can thank me for that. You really did lose your way for a while there.

Of course you disagree, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. You don't know about the dozens of clubs that folded when the warriors came in and the players all moved to Auckland. You don't know about the lack of resourcing that has gone on for almost 30 years. You don't know about kids turning away from team contact sports in increasing numbers. You don't know about the funding promises made by the the various Aussie RL administrations that never eventuated. But what do you care, you think you're right and that's all that matters.

 

[siv]

Litterally none of that is true. But its not like you ever let facts get in the way of a good story.



BAHAHAHAHA funny coming from a semi literate Aussie who thinks he knows more about New Zealanders than the New Zealanders themselves.



Auckland - 20
Wellington - 10
ChCh - 8
NPC - 26 provinces

Without a benefactor there isn't the money. Here is the last annual report, including the ARLC grant.
The "zones" only got 558K between them to run their area.

Based upon your numbers there is clearly a layer missing in NZ

RU dont play 26 provinces in the NPC so whats their region break up?

 

[Te Kaha]

And today’s irrational rant thus begins!

You do know the difference between rational and irrational don't you? woops, forgot who I was dealing with, its already established that the education system failed you.