New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Pneuma]

Pointing out the realities of rugby league in New Zealand and Australia isn't pessimistic. I'm glad we have New Zealanders giving us a realistic view of the landscape in the The Shaky Isles.

There's a lot of NSWRL fans on here who've deluded themselves into thinking the world revolves around Sydney. The narrative on this board is the NRL only needs a vastly oversaturated Sydney market based around nine financially u viable teams with minimal investment in New Zealand and the rest of the country to be the number one code across the Pacific. It's bullshit and there's no evidence to support their delusional view. The claims they pluck out of their arse to prop up their delusional views are bizarre. I've seen people persist with the absurd claim that a Perth team wouldn't be able to fly to and from the east coast, despite other sporting leagues managing it to do it for 40 years. There's the farcical claim that Sydney needs nine NRL teams because if it only has eight or less then everyone will go support the Swans, despite fumbleball being "shit" and having no support. Don't forget the nutters who think we need to "bring back the Bears" because apparently everyone on the North Shore became a paid up member of the Swans in 2000 and are the only people in Sydney who support fumbleball.

We have a great game that everyone on this board thinks is the best, but we need to realise not everyone shares the same sentiment. Plonking a second team in New Zealand won't convert RU fans into RL fanatics like us. We're a shrinking minority because the media is no longer limited to covering RL only. The cashed up and national AwFuL and global brands like the NFL, NBA and EPL are broadcast all over the country. Children get to watch them all while they're still impressionable and not set in their ways.

Bless

 

[Te Kaha]

I have this amazing ability to read forums I don’t belong to and an even more incredible skill at looking at 5 figure numbers starting with a 5 and a 3 knowing this means at lest 53000. I really am special.

That's a pretty poor effort at trying to cover a mistake. up your game.

By the way could you try to stay on topic. You and PR are detailing the thread. I might have to report you to yourself!

90% of your posts in this thread are off topic. Guess we add hypocrite to ignorant as your descriptors.

 

[Pneuma]

That's a pretty poor effort at trying to cover a mistake. up your game.



90% of your posts in this thread are off topic. Guess we add hypocrite to ignorant as your descriptors.

Than moderate me. That’s your job.

 

[Te Kaha]

Than moderate me. That’s your job.

And we can add stupid to that now. Assumptions seem to be your thing.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Haha. So despite the fact I'm a NZer who grew up playing league in NZ I have "no idea of the history of rugby league and the contribution nz made to it"? At any rate the history of rugby league is irrelevant to this discussion.

Unlike you I'm a fan of both sports, I go to both Super games and league games. I don't have a childish hatred of one over the other. I want the Kiwis and the ABs to win everything. I want the Warriors to be run professionally and be an actual "NZ" team instead of the journeyman Aussie team they've been this year.

As Te Kaha notes above Super rugby isn't the be all and end all of rugby, it doesn't drive the money or the fandom like the NRL does - they're two different business models. For me personally it's a distant third to the ABs and the Magpies (NPC).

You have your head in the stand about the ability of rugby league to dominate in NZ. Seriously, see if you can answer these questions with an actual plan:
- How is the NRL going to convert rugby playing schools to league playing schools?
- What type of domestic competition is the NRL going to set up in NZ to keep the interest of people in the provinces?
- How is the NRL going to grow the international game so that NZers have an alternative to the ABs?

The NSWRL/NRL cannot keep the game in a strong state in Sydney. Conquering New Zealand is beyond the turkeys running our game. The NSWRL f**ked expansion in 1995 by forcing the expansion teams to cover the flight and accommodation costs of all Sydney teams when they hosted them, as well as their own when they played in Sydney. It cost the Cowboys about $800k to fly and accommodate Sydney clubs to Townsville. It bankrupted the club as well as the Reds and Warriors. Super League eventuated because the expansion clubs had no option but to defect if they didn't want to go bust.

All nine Sydney clubs earn less revenue from football operations than the Broncos and Cowboys. The Sydney Swans earn almost twice as much revenue from football operations than the richest Sydney NRL clubs.

If the NRL cannot compete against the Swans in Sydney how do they plan on killing the All Blacks in New Zealand?

 

[Pneuma]

And we can add stupid to that now. Assumptions seem to be your thing.

I see. You’re a moderator that doesn’t moderate. Cute.

 

[Te Kaha]

I see. You’re a moderator that doesn’t moderate. Cute.

You've almost got it... but its still out of your limited reach.

 

[Pneuma]

You've almost got it... but its still out of your limited reach.

No I get it. You want the title. You’re just too lazy or ignorant to know how to do the job.

 

[Matua]

US sports use this sort of stuff. No guarantee he is any good but the point I used by adding it, Is that RL isn't just getting guys that don't make it in RU

Often in juniors players play both sports though, Guys like Pensini, Cam Murray etc went to Rugby schools while playing League in Junior rep sides. From the looks of it he has done the same

There are rugby guys that come from League too.
More money and opportunities for RL then the more that can choose that path, That is where expansion helps and the game won't stop at 18.

So whether the conversation is for 5 years or 10 time it is still going to be around

And my point is most of the guys they're getting are league guys anyway. So they're not always stealing rugby players as some of the posters on here are making out.

You said this earlier and I think it shows the disconnect between yourself and others you appear to arguing on the same side as:

More money and more opportunities in RL will have an affect even if it only 5%, still is something

No one, not me or Te Kaha are arguing their wont be an affect. However, the premise of this thread from the opening post and then in frequent posts is that a second team will "deal a massive blow" to rugby and that league will take over. There's a big gap between those two points.

 

[Te Kaha]

No I get it. You want the title. You’re just too lazy or ignorant to know how to do the job.

You were so close.. then you went full genius again.

 

[Pneuma]

You were so close.. then you went full genius again.

Nup. I get it. It’s really cute that you get the title. You get to tell your friends!

 

[Te Kaha]

Nup. I get it. It’s really cute that you get the title. You get to tell your friends!

And I had hopes you would actually figure something out, but no.. you just aren't smart enough.

 

[Pneuma]

And I had hopes you would actually figure something out, but no.. you just aren't smart enough.

It must be just me I suppose. I hope I can forgive myself. And my alleged alt.

 

[Te Kaha]

It must be just me I suppose. I hope I can forgive myself. And my alleged alt.

Well it doesn't say much about the education standards in Australia that you couldn't figure out something so obvious, but sadly you aren't alone among your brethren.

 

[Pneuma]

Well it doesn't say much about the education standards in Australia that you couldn't figure out something so obvious, but sadly you aren't alone among your brethren.

I agree. Bloody education system. Failed again.

 

[Te Kaha]

I agree. Bloody education system. Failed again.

seems so.

 

[Pneuma]

Well it doesn't say much about the education standards in Australia that you couldn't figure out something so obvious, but sadly you aren't alone among your brethren.

What would help us over here is a second NRL team in New Zealand. I know you are a big fan of the idea. Let’s discuss the benefits for nz football and the nrl comp. Should be fun!

 

[Te Kaha]

What would help us over here is a second NRL team in New Zealand. I know you are a big fan of the idea. Let’s discuss the benefits for nz football and the nrl comp. Should be fun!

Of course it will help the Australia. It will decimate the NZ League domestic scene however.

 

[Pneuma]

Of course it will help the Australia. It will decimate the NZ League domestic scene however.

Well I disagree. It’s nice to see you on topic though. You can thank me for that. You really did lose your way for a while there.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The pathways will not dent rugby if they don't have an influence in schools. The mana in NZ is via 1st XV rugby.

Yes they need a domestic competition. Two NRL teams in the country aren't going to pull supporters away from the ABs, the Chiefs, and Waikato.

If the ARLC succeeds in holding ongoing international competitions I'll be both very surprised and happy. But Australia's Origin focus always puts that in danger so I'm really not holding my breath.

Sydney RL fans don't realise how decentralised and rural much of New Zealand is and the cultural and commercial inpact this has ton sport from grassroots to the professional level.

Gambling isn't as enshrined in New Zealand as it is in NSW. One in five of the world's gaming machines are based in Australia, with at least half of them in NSW. An NRL club in rural New Zealand will not have access to this revenue stream.