New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Te Kaha]

And victory will be assured!

And this right here is the real reason for Australians in this thread. Victory in their own "war".

They don't care about the damage their clubs do to the domestic game. They don't care about growing the game. They don't care about 50-100 year old clubs folding. They don't care that kids are turning off playing the game in increasing numbers.

All they care about is winning their "war".

 

[Matua]

Back to NZ

How many teams play in Aucklands top tier?

How many play in Wellington & Christchurch

How many NPC teams away from these 3 centres?

I am thinking a NZ Cup Should be around 10 to 12 teams with average wage of 40k with a squad of 25 each team

In the top division of the NPC Auckland has 3 teams (Auckland, North Harbour, Counties), Wellington and Christchurch have one. There's 9 other provinces.

Your NZ Cup example has an average wage similar to the NPC, and the NPC runs for 3 months.

Based upon your numbers there is clearly a layer missing in NZ

RU dont play 26 provinces in the NPC so whats their region break up?

14 provinces play in the top division, 12 in the bottom division (split into two cups).

In league, my province Hawkes Bay is in the central zone yet doesn't even rate a mention in the annual report posted by Te Kaha. In the Lion Red Cup days (mid 90s) Hawkes Bay had it's own team. Other national comps that have existed it's been part of combined mid central teams.

 

[siv]

The kiwis ended up caving in and agreeing to share tens of millions of their tv revenues to keep Australia afloat

the simple fact is australia can’t support five professional sides and is now relying upon nz to keep them afloat

nz is doing this because without australian their own comp isn’t viable … you can’t have a comp of six teams

this is why I say a new nrl side would gain so much traction in nz is because of how weak union is at club level

So far I see another good argument for the Central Coast Bears

RU strong hold is Eastwood through to Manly

Kills 2 birds

 

[siv]

In the top division of the NPC Auckland has 3 teams (Auckland, North Harbour, Counties), Wellington and Christchurch have one. There's 9 other provinces.

Your NZ Cup example has an average wage similar to the NPC, and the NPC runs for 3 months.


14 provinces play in the top division, 12 in the bottom division (split into two cups).

In league, my province Hawkes Bay is in the central zone yet doesn't even rate a mention in the annual report posted by Te Kaha. In the Lion Red Cup days (mid 90s) Hawkes Bay had it's own team. Other national comps that have existed it's been part of combined mid central teams.

Why only 3 months ?

 

[Te Kaha]

Why only 3 months ?

Because Super Rugby Runs at the start of the year, then inbound international tours, then NPC, then Outbound International tours and soon World Club Championship.

 

[siv]

Because Super Rugby Runs at the start of the year, then inbound international tours, then NPC, then Outbound International tours and soon World Club Championship.

But Super RU shouldnt impact a NZ Cup league season

Unless we have a lot of players swapping codes in May-Jun

 

[Te Kaha]

But Super RU shouldnt impact a NZ Cup league season

Unless we have a lot of players swapping codes in May-Jun

It won't. I don't think anybody said it would. The problem is there is no money for anything like that again.

And your example is the same income as an NPC player who doesn't also play Super Rugby. However your League comp would run singingly longer for the same income as a 3 month NPC contract. That is the point he is making.

 

[Wb1234]

Literally. If Australia Rugby is out of Super Rugby, then Super Rugby falls. New Zealand has nobody to play or it's significantly diluted. The best players go overseas and what's left gets divided amongst twice as many smaller franchises..
Rugby fans in NZ would have to wait for when the All blacks played.
In the meantime, the only Quality highly professional Rugby week in week out... NRL.
If that's all they have and they have 2 teams, it will dominate The NZ sporting landscape!

It’s inevitable nz has to drop the rule about all blacks not being allowed to play overseas permanently

the way super rugby is going all their best players will be overseas (to avoid going to the nrl) and that will force them to allow them to play for overseas union clubs permanently

they essentially be a Harlem globetrotters team

 

[Te Kaha]

It’s inevitable nz has to drop the rule about all blacks not being allowed to play overseas permanently

the way super rugby is going all their best players will be overseas (to avoid going to the nrl) and that will force them to allow them to play for overseas union clubs permanently

they essentially be a Harlem globetrotters team

Literally none of that is true.

But that's this thread for you, Australians who think they know more about NZ than NZers.

You guys should just preface your posts with "I wish", it would make them more accurate

 

[Iamback]

Litterally none of that is true. But its not like you ever let facts get in the way of a good story.



BAHAHAHAHA funny coming from a semi literate Aussie who thinks he knows more about New Zealanders than the New Zealanders themselves.



Auckland - 20
Wellington - 10
ChCh - 8
NPC - 26 provinces

Without a benefactor there isn't the money. Here is the last annual report, including the ARLC grant.
The "zones" only got 558K between them to run their area.

That report is covid affected, We know Warriors are spending more than that running a u19's side.

The Bulldogs spend is unknown too

 

[Te Kaha]

That report is covid affected, We know Warriors are spending more than that running a u19's side.

The Bulldogs spend is unknown too

Except the figures are the similar for 17-18, 18-19, 19-20. 20-21.

The only increase has been the extra 1.5 million from the ARLC.

It's peanuts, compared to what is needed. The "Zones" need millions more to run proper comps for juniors to play in, they need more coaches, more refs, and of course more players.

A new team will help one area at the expense of the others, just like what happened when The warriors came on board. Neither the Bulldogs nor the Warriors are concerned about Domestic League, they are concerned about their patch.

 

[Wb1234]

The NRL have a cool blend of historical clubs and new franchises.
Give it this unique and authentic experience.
Super Rugby is just like some made up thing run by corporations that is hard to connect with.
It's in for a big fall.

The South African and nz sides gave it legitimacy

when australia had only 3 teams the playing talent wasn’t diluted so they could compete with the rest

now with five teams they are a major rabble literally there is no point in the comp in terms of Aussie sides winning it

the funniest thing is people are ignoring how important the club game is and that internationals can keep their game afloat

without a strong club game underpinning the internationals there is no foundation and the whole game just rots away

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

What test? I simply disagreed with you. You are the one ranting and raving like an unhinged lunatic about something you can’t change. The constant meltdowns are a joy to behold!

You brought up competitions from Europe having 20 teams ranging from tiny to huge, and used it to justify Sydney having nine small clubs. I asked you to name one competition that mirrored the NRL's blueprint of having nine small teams in one market while 40% of metropolitan markets across the country have none. I also pointed out the competitions you speak of use promotion and relegation. NRL doesn't.

You ignored the question because you cannot answer it. I've met way too many disingenuous people like you who deflect from acknowledging Sydney is overcrowded. The typical response from selfish NSWRL fans like you is the use of an appeal to emotion and false equivalency to argue for the status quo to remain as it is. When you're provided with facts and figures about the poor financial predicament of the Sydney clubs your ilk deflect and start attacking the person.

Most of the things spoken about on here are out of our control. You just don't want me to use facts to point out your team should be punted because you're afraid some one important might listen.

Ah AFL

AFL doesn't have nine small teams in the same market. It also has a team in all five metro markets across Australia.

 

[Wb1234]

That report is covid affected, We know Warriors are spending more than that running a u19's side.

The Bulldogs spend is unknown too

And the increase in the development part of the cap as well means around millions extra spend on developmental players

 

[Te Kaha]

The South African and nz sides gave it legitimacy

when australia had only 3 teams the playing talent wasn’t diluted so they could compete with the rest

now with five teams they are a major rabble literally there is no point in the comp in terms of Aussie sides winning it

the funniest thing is people are ignoring how important the club game is and that internationals can keep their game afloat

without a strong club game underpinning the internationals there is no foundation and the whole game just rots away

Again, you should start with "I wish"... And once again you show how little you know about NZ. Tribalism isn't a thing in sports here, because you know, we have ACTUAL tribes.

And the increase in the development part of the cap as well means around millions extra spend on developmental players

IF it happens, promises have been made and broken before.

 

[Wb1234]

NRL announces record-high salary caps for 2023 season

The National Rugby League (NRL) is excited to announce the NRL and NRLW salary cap for season 2023 at a new record-breaking level for both male and female players.

www.nrl.com

“The development list will increase from $240,000 to $650,000, capturing the relevant development player payments.”

so approx an extra 5 million dollars in total to be spent on development players

 

[Matua]

But Super RU shouldnt impact a NZ Cup league season

Unless we have a lot of players swapping codes in May-Jun

You asked about the NPC so I was giving you a comparison - if the average wage for NPC and NZ Cup is similar and the NZ Cup runs longer then it will be less attractive than the NPC to players. Edit: Didn't see Te Kaha's post which made this point already.

In the past couple of years many players in the NPC have taken up contracts in the USA Rugby comp - so they go there for the start of the season and then back to NZ for the NPC.

 

[Te Kaha]

NRL announces record-high salary caps for 2023 season

The National Rugby League (NRL) is excited to announce the NRL and NRLW salary cap for season 2023 at a new record-breaking level for both male and female players.

www.nrl.com

“The development list will increase from $240,000 to $650,000, capturing the relevant development player payments.”

so approx an extra 5 million dollars in total to be spent on development players

That's the extra spend across both countries. how much will that be spent in NZ? And that will be spent on existing juniors, not likely it's gonna make a material difference in NZ, those who want to go will, those who don't wont be enticed by that increase.

 

[Iamback]

Except the figures are the similar for 17-18, 18-19, 19-20. 20-21.

The only increase has been the extra 1.5 million from the ARLC.

It's peanuts, compared to what is needed. The "Zones" need millions more to run proper comps for juniors to play in, they need more coaches, more refs, and of course more players.

A new team will help one area at the expense of the others, just like what happened when The warriors came on board. Neither the Bulldogs nor the Warriors are concerned about Domestic League, they are concerned about their patch.

This organisation was only created last year, So their money wouldn't be counted.

So the coaching Staff and 30 odd players in lower grades for the Warriors are doing so for free?

That is money invested in the sport, Also not included in the figures

 

[Iamback]

And the increase in the development part of the cap as well means around millions extra spend on developmental players

Teams like Roosters are already flying guys over to play in Junior rep sides, That also wouldn't show up in a $ amount anywhere