New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Perth Red]

Now just imagine how many juniors NZ2 could produce with the same systems

Plenty, that’s why Perth and Christchurch should be the next two clubs in nrl.

 

[Perth Red]

The perf bidder

He did, it got us nowhere. I’d not be wasting my money either until nrl showed some committment.

 

[Perth Red]

Take it up with Wikipedia.


How does this prove your point?

North Queensland produced quality players that plied their trade in the BRL and NSWRL and went on to represent Queensland and Australia long before the Cowboys were set up in 1992.

Players like Martin Bella, Dale Shearer and Kerry Boustead weren't the product of expensive development programs funded by the ARL. They grew up playing in local competitions that attracted the best athletes from the region. The NRLWA doesn't attract the best talent from the region.

The example set by Bella, Boustead and Shearer disproves your theory.

Melbourne have fielded a team in the NRL since 1998. They still haven't produced a genuine star who is good enough to play for Australia. Their inability to produce a quality player disproves your theory.

Only an idiot would use wiki as a source of evidence lol

do you really think kids born in those areas and who play rl are genetically born different to kids in wa? The reality is there’s as many kids playing league in wa as those areas, probably more than some, so what’s the difference? Quality of development and opportunity. that’s it.

 

[Maximus]

I'm not sure 20 extra players is something to brag about when you claim to be the heartland and have had a shitload more time and money spent both by teams and the governing body.

 

[Perth Red]

I'm not sure 20 extra players is something to brag about when you claim to be the heartland and have had a shitload more time and money spent both by teams and the governing body.

It’s not even that many, theres at least half a dozen who’ve played wa jnrs not in that wiki list

qrl cup 5/8 of the year is a wa jnr lol

 

[Maximus]

According to that, Cairns have produced 34 players. The oldest from the list was born in 1946. 34 players in 78 years, and some people want to put a team there.

 

[Colk]

Who the f*** cares seriously.

 

[Perth Red]

Who the f*** cares seriously.

I’ll give it to donkey, he might be a bit of a bellend but he’s got an uncanny skill of derailing threads!

 

[Chins get the wins]

I’ll give it to donkey, he might be a bit of a bellend but he’s got an uncanny skill of derailing threads!

You've said the same shit for 65k posts hun.

 

[Colk]

I’ll give it to donkey, he might be a bit of a bellend but he’s got an uncanny skill of derailing threads!

Well to be fair you’re both wrong in certain respects

If juniors were the only metric then you probably wouldn’t have half the sides in the competition. If you want to be a professional in anything then you move to where the opportunities are

 

[final say]

It’s not even that many, theres at least half a dozen who’ve played wa jnrs not in that wiki list

qrl cup 5/8 of the year is a wa jnr lol

Why are we using Western Australia ( area the size of Europe) as your " catchment " area anyway? That's ridiculous. Karratha, Port Headland, Broome, Kalgoorlie, Esperance, Albany, Geraldton... your not scouting or developing those areas if you get a side, the logistics and resources are too great for too little. If Perth are producing kids fine , if you're going to develop kids further out they'll need scholarship schools and relocate them to a Perth comp and development system.
If Perth has a good amount of juniors and a good comp like Townsville, Cronulla or Penrith ect .. that's awesome and please share those numbers but a random collection of mining towns running teams to bolster community engagement there isn't anything to brag about...and surprise surprise they aren't becoming NRL players lol.

I want a Perth team mate, I really do but every time to use bs data a cherry pick, it does not bolster the argument for Perth! It does the opposite.

 

[MugaB]

He did, it got us nowhere. I’d not be wasting my money either until nrl showed some committment.

Got you knowhere, sitting on your hands now too, funny thing is you think that you need to spend that time effort and money just to prove to the nrl your worthy, (as we al do) but as proven as soon as the titans got the green light, you all shit the bed and dropped the act, instead of keeping those programs going to make your juniors atleast close to competition standards, so yeah if you did start up your programs yourselves all over again, as soon as your miss acquiring a licence you'd stop again, shows your bid isn't committed to RL overall, just leeching out for a slice of the NRL

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Only an idiot would use wiki as a source of evidence lol

Only a whiny bitch with an agenda would dismiss a source because it doesn't provide the answer they want to hear.

For years you hung onto the word of Peter Beattie because he talked up expansion. You've also touted Politis as the man we should all listen to because he advocated Perth for an NRL licenc, yet you tell us to ignore the fact he also thinks Rockhampton and PNG Should have one.

There's nothing stopping you from creating pages for these missing players, BTW. You spend enough time on here talking about rugby league in Perth. Here's your chance to talk about it on Wikipedia!

do you really think kids born in those areas and who play rl are genetically born different to kids in wa?

I never said kids born in WA are genetically inferior.

I said the best athletes from WA gravitate towards the state's most culturally significant sports. Rugby league ain't one of the.

The reality is there’s as many kids playing league in wa as those areas, probably more than some, so what’s the difference? Quality of development and opportunity. that’s it.

You keep passing off the same shit as "fact" long after it's been debunked. It's been explained to you that the best athletes from WA choose fumbleball, cricket, soccer and basketball. Only the best athletes make it to the top tier of any sport.

The few kids who've progressed through the junior WA system had historical ties with Queensland, NSW and New Zealand. Players like Curtis Rona and the Goodwin brothers are examples that prove my point. Daniel Holdsworth was born in NSW.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I'm not sure 20 extra players is something to brag about when you claim to be the heartland and have had a shitload more time and money spent both by teams and the governing body.

How much money has Cairns, Townsville and Mackay received from the ARLC, QRL and Cowboys?

Can you prove it's a "shitload more" than Perth, or are you just speculating?

How much money was spent on junior development in these places before the Cowboys existed?

The population of Cairns, Mackay and Townsville is 150k, 78k and 178k. It's not like these regional cities are receiving the same investment from the ARLC as Brisbane and Sydney. It hasn't stopped these small regional cities from producing 11 times as many players as the entire state of Western Australia.

Perth has 1.9m. Stop making dumb excuses for Perth's poor record at developing rugby league players.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Why are we using Western Australia ( area the size of Europe) as your " catchment " area anyway? That's ridiculous. Karratha, Port Headland, Broome, Kalgoorlie, Esperance, Albany, Geraldton... your not scouting or developing those areas if you get a side, the logistics and resources are too great for too little. If Perth are producing kids fine , if you're going to develop kids further out they'll need scholarship schools and relocate them to a Perth comp and development system.
If Perth has a good amount of juniors and a good comp like Townsville, Cronulla or Penrith ect .. that's awesome and please share those numbers but a random collection of mining towns running teams to bolster community engagement there isn't anything to brag about...and surprise surprise they aren't becoming NRL players lol.

I want a Perth team mate, I really do but every time to use bs data a cherry pick, it does not bolster the argument for Perth! It does the opposite.

To be fair 90% of the WA population is in Perth and surrounds so really when you’re talking about WA you’re basically talking about Perth.

 

[MugaB]

Only a whiny bitch with an agenda would dismiss a source because it doesn't provide the answer they want to hear.

For years you hung onto the word of Peter Beattie because he talked up expansion. You've also touted Politis as the man we should all listen to because he advocated Perth for an NRL licenc, yet you tell us to ignore the fact he also thinks Rockhampton and PNG Should have one.

There's nothing stopping you from creating pages for these missing players, BTW. You spend enough time on here talking about rugby league in Perth. Here's your chance to talk about it on Wikipedia!



I never said kids born in WA are genetically inferior.

I said the best athletes from WA gravitate towards the state's most culturally significant sports. Rugby league ain't one of the.



You keep passing off the same shit as "fact" long after it's been debunked. It's been explained to you that the best athletes from WA choose fumbleball, cricket, soccer and basketball. Only the best athletes make it to the top tier of any sport.

The few kids who've progressed through the junior WA system had historical ties with Queensland, NSW and New Zealand. Players like Curtis Rona and the Goodwin brothers are examples that prove my point. Daniel Holdsworth was born in NSW.

Lots of players from Christchurch and south island travel to live in Sydney and Queensland to make a living with RL, to make it big in RL, its no different to any player stemming from WA, why is this different to any other player, does that mean Christchurch is in the same boat as Perth and that it needs a licence asap, coz they have travelling players, i dont see why we are even talking about perth on a nz thread

 

[Matiunz]

I love watching them shoot themselves in the foot. Meanwhile 16 NRL teams do battle with twice the talent with all available stars playing a fastest game...
Imagine needing a rest from Super Rugby.. the whole game is a rest.

The players are all centrally contracted to NZR, there’s a clause in the players agreement about maximum games in a season so most All Blacks players who generally have 10-15 more games on top of Super Rugby and Potentially some of the NPC. Because of this they tend to need to miss a couple of games a super rugby season.
To be fair you often see Origin players rested from club games

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Got you knowhere, sitting on your hands now too, funny thing is you think that you need to spend that time effort and money just to prove to the nrl your worthy, (as we al do) but as proven as soon as the titans got the green light, you all shit the bed and dropped the act, instead of keeping those programs going to make your juniors atleast close to competition standards, so yeah if you did start up your programs yourselves all over again, as soon as your miss acquiring a licence you'd stop again, shows your bid isn't committed to RL overall, just leeching out for a slice of the NRL

The only reason the WA Gov wants an NRL licence is because they believe it will lead to tourists from Queensland and NSW flocking to Perth. Venueswest basically said as much when they endorsed an NRL team in Perth.

They're not interested in developing the game of rugby league in Perth. It's just a money grabbing exercise.

Idiots like Perth Red think the WA Gov pay money to host Origin because they want to develop the game. They pay less than what they make from the extra tourism it generates. No wonder Perth Red doesn't have a problem with prostitution.

 

[Maximus]

How much money has Cairns, Townsville and Mackay received from the ARLC, QRL and Cowboys?

Can you prove it's a "shitload more" than Perth, or are you just speculating?

How much money was spent on junior development in these places before the Cowboys existed?

The population of Cairns, Mackay and Townsville is 150k, 78k and 178k. It's not like these regional cities are receiving the same investment from the ARLC as Brisbane and Sydney. It hasn't stopped these small regional cities from producing 11 times as many players as the entire state of Western Australia.

Perth has 1.9m. Stop making dumb excuses for Perth's poor record at developing rugby league players.

Dude, you're bragging about 20 players over 70 years.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Lots of players from Christchurch and south island travel to live in Sydney and Queensland to make a living with RL, to make it big in RL, its no different to any player stemming from WA, why is this different to any other player, does that mean Christchurch is in the same boat as Perth and that it needs a licence asap, coz they have travelling players, i dont see why we are even talking about perth on a nz thread

The reason we're talking about it is because Perth Red believes Western Australia should be given special privileges.

The arguments he uses to justify handing Perth a licence it doesn't deserve can be used for many other markets in Australia, New Zealand, PNG and Fiji.

He's a f**ken hypocrite who picks and chooses which metrics should be used to determine expansion. On the one hand he and The Great Dope say we should choose Adelaide and Perth over PNG and New Zealand 2 because they're larger markets with more wealth, yet when it's pointed out to them that Brisbane Tigers and North Sydney Bears eclipse both of these markets they shift the goalposts to "new fans" that may never eventuate. Perth Red goes on about juniors, yet there would be far more across Ipswich, Logan, southern Brisbane, North Sydney and Gosford than the entire state of Western Australia. There isn't a single metric that puts Perth ahead of any other candidate. All he's got is a useless poll.