New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[flippikat]

Such a good time for a second nz nrl side to fill this void and benefit from that playing base

Yes, BUT..

A) You need to realise that NZ is in some severe economic turmoil at the moment. Inflation & balancing the budget is proving difficult, Disposable income is collapsing, the public service is being decimated by cuts, and Wellington CBD is in a death-spiral. How much of that is caused by Government austerity & how much of that demands austerity depends on your political stripes, and it may take a few years to come out the other side of this.

And...

B) A 2nd NZ NRL team is only part of the solution. Pathways for youth into that 2nd team, a firm direction for the 2nd tier under NRL (is it state leagues, is it reserve grade? Does that involve more NZ teams than just one or two? How does it all fit?), the schoolboy league vs union issues, and indeed getting a profile for the local game underneath NRL level are ALL things that need addressing - and just plonking a 2nd NZ team into the NRL won't do all that in itself.

 

[Chris Reid]

I haven’t watched a game of union for 25 years. Life is too short

seeing its collapse in real time has been hilarious

Wally nobody is surprised about that.. remember it's illegal to be on here if you watch and enjoy other sports according to you

 

[Chris Reid]

Yes, BUT..

A) You need to realise that NZ is in some severe economic turmoil at the moment. Inflation & balancing the budget is proving difficult, Disposable income is collapsing, the public service is being decimated by cuts, and Wellington CBD is in a death-spiral. How much of that is caused by Government austerity & how much of that demands austerity depends on your political stripes, and it may take a few years to come out the other side of this.

And...

B) A 2nd NZ NRL team is only part of the solution. Pathways for youth into that 2nd team, a firm direction for the 2nd tier under NRL (is it state leagues, is it reserve grade? Does that involve more NZ teams than just one or two? How does it all fit?), the schoolboy league vs union issues, and indeed getting a profile for the local game underneath NRL level are ALL things that need addressing - and just plonking a 2nd NZ team into the NRL won't do all that in itself.

That just goes straight over Wallys head.

 

[Maximus]

I haven’t watched a game of union for 25 years. Life is too short

seeing its collapse in real time has been hilarious

And yet you seem to think you're an expert on who their players are, who would be good pickups etc.

Most of us who actually don't watch, have no idea who any of the players are.

 

[Chris Reid]

Back when the warratahs used to get crowds over 30k I was using a consultant in business who was an ex wallaby he kept trying to get me to go to super rugby games and I always passed

never been to a game in my life and can’t remember watching more than five mins of super rugby and a few tests when Wendell was playing

the sport bores me to tears I’d rather watch afl or soccer if I had too (been to one a league game I fell asleep in a corporate box, the other was an afl finals game where Sydney went to the grand final and was bored shtless)

I want to a private school too league was banned yet just about everyone was a league fan anyway

my family has always been staunch rugby league fans my uncle sponsored the tigers for 30 years

None of that happened did it Wally??
Your cousin Rob thinks about you like just about everyone else on here..
He said shitting on other sports doesn't make you any more of a League fan.
It's just embedded in your brain matter

 

[Chris Reid]

And yet you seem to think you're an expert on who their players are, who would be good pickups etc.

Most of us who actually don't watch, have no idea who any of the players are.

Exactly! He doesn't think that far ahead when he makes comments on social media

 

[Chief_Chujo]

They'll still be tiny compared to the larger clubs in Brisbane and Sydney.

I'm astonished by how rich the Queensland clubs are compared to everyone else. Despite their wealth, we've got simpletons on here opposed to Brisbane 3 and pushing for unwanted teams in markets that don't have the infrastructure to support a team.

I hear a lot of bullshit death riding of the Titans by people who don't want a third Brisbane team. Let's be honest. Titans are richer than several clubs from Sydney, Warriors and Raiders.

Raiders are rich as f**k bro. Own a heap of clubs and property in ACT/NSW/QLD. $140mil in assets and $52mil in cash.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-rich-list-the-winners-and-losers-from-rugby-leagues-financial-arms-race/news-story/bb530534647df92333d1da5cc73295ea

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

What is it with you and money dude.
It's a game. If there's enough money to send a team out on the field at a decent stadium and perform that beautiful art of Rugby league, that's all that matters.
Money is the root of all evil and if you let it define everything, it will kill Rugby league.

Rugby league is a professional business. Has been since it split from the RFU. The cost of running an NRL club is getting larger every year and makes it harder for new entrants to compete with established brands. The economic divide is going to limit who can succeed on the field. The main reason the Warriors are yet to win a premiership is due to their inability to compete with the richer clubs off the field.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yep, and if NPC loses it's distinct window & becomes a competition that's running "in the background" while an extended Super Rugby and/or champions league and/or tests happen (like how local club rugby runs "in the background" currently during Super Rugby), well.. it gets interesting.

With a "in the background" NPC (especially if the money drops a lot) provincial-tier & young up-and-coming RU players COULD be tempted to switch to league, if a reasonable-profile, reasonable-paying pathway or league happens.

Whether that's a higher profile NRL reserve grade or state leagues, or a national NZ competition, who knows... but NZ Rugby downgrading NPC to "upgrade" Super Rugby/Tests CERTAINLY opens some doors - and it's up to RL to walk right through them.

Amy chance of the Rebels entering the NPC?

 

[Maximus]

Raiders are rich as f**k bro. Own a heap of clubs and property in ACT/NSW/QLD. $140mil in assets and $52mil in cash.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-rich-list-the-winners-and-losers-from-rugby-leagues-financial-arms-race/news-story/bb530534647df92333d1da5cc73295ea

Yeah but is Canberra in QLD? If not, that automatically makes your post false.

 

[Wb1234]

Rugby league is a professional business. Has been since it split from the RFU. The cost of running an NRL club is getting larger every year and makes it harder for new entrants to compete with established brands. The economic divide is going to limit who can succeed on the field. The main reason the Warriors are yet to win a premiership is due to their inability to compete with the richer clubs off the field.

Nah bs salary cap

eels are one of the richest clubs and not won since 86

wahs have been poorly run

 

[flippikat]

Amy chance of the Rebels entering the NPC?

I'd say as much chance as my pet cat growing wings & flying to the moon.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Raiders are rich as f**k bro. Own a heap of clubs and property in ACT/NSW/QLD. $140mil in assets and $52mil in cash.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-rich-list-the-winners-and-losers-from-rugby-leagues-financial-arms-race/news-story/bb530534647df92333d1da5cc73295ea

That's nice. Brisbane Tigers own $135m in assets and will have access to a more diverse corporate sector in a much larger market that loves the game when they enter the NRL. Your mates mongoloid and The Great Dunce reckon they should never be given an NRL licence.

I wouldn't have a problem with the Raiders if they didn't have so many f**kwit fans telling us that Brisbane should only have two teams and none of them should have links with the BRL. The fact remains that a traditional BRL club, the Redcliffe Dolphins, generate twice as much revenue from football operations than the Raiders. It hasn't stopped your mates mongoloid and The Great Dunce stating the club shouldn't have been given a licence and arguing they've failed on every metric.

If the Dolphins are a failure then what the f**k is the Raiders?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Nah bs salary cap

eels are one of the richest clubs and not won since 86

wahs have been poorly run

Eels struggled financially until their stadium was rebuilt. Up until then they relied heavily on gaming revenue. They now have a $53m high performance training centre that was provided by the NSW Gov. Expect them to improve on the field.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yeah but is Canberra in QLD? If not, that automatically makes your post false.

I didn't say his post is false, did I?

If we're going by physical assets then Brisbane Tigers have $135m. Apparently the ARLC are supposed to ignore the Brisbane Tigers' $135m worth of physical assets because they're not from Adelaide, Perth or Christchurch.

 

[Chief_Chujo]

That's nice. Brisbane Tigers own $135m in assets and will have access to a more diverse corporate sector in a much larger market that loves the game when they enter the NRL. Your mates mongoloid and The Great Dunce reckon they should never be given an NRL licence.

I wouldn't have a problem with the Raiders if they didn't have so many f**kwit fans telling us that Brisbane should only have two teams and none of them should have links with the BRL. The fact remains that a traditional BRL club, the Redcliffe Dolphins, generate twice as much revenue from football operations than the Raiders. It hasn't stopped your mates mongoloid and The Great Dunce stating the club shouldn't have been given a licence and arguing they've failed on every metric.

If the Dolphins are a failure then what the f**k is the Raiders?

Fkn calm down mate. You threw the Raiders out there as some poor club, I was just telling you the facts.

 

[Wb1234]

I didn't say his post is false, did I?

If we're going by physical assets then Brisbane Tigers have $135m. Apparently the ARLC are supposed to ignore the Brisbane Tigers' $135m worth of physical assets because they're not from Adelaide, Perth or Christchurch.

Now you’re doing a Perth red trolling an expansion thread to put your own one first

you were a fan of nz2 until recently what happened

 

[Wb1234]

https:///twitter.com/smhsport/status/1798278289183912234?s=46&t=6xYqmuW8CnTQFYLnlqwFWA

nrl has its eyes firmly on nz

 

[mongoose]

Fkn calm down mate. You threw the Raiders out there as some poor club, I was just telling you the facts.

just ignore him, he's unhinged. I noticed he's now attacking the Warriors lol he's anti everywhere except QLD.

 

[Wb1234]

Noise concerns across the ditch​

The NRL has asked the New Zealand government to seek an exemption from Auckland Council over a noise restriction policy that would prohibit a State of Origin game being played at Eden Park in 2027.
The NRL has been in negotiations with the NZ government about playing the first Origin game on Kiwi soil in a few years’ time, but has put negotiations on hold to sort through a number of key issues.

Blues fans at Suncorp Stadium.CREDIT: GETTY
The NRL, which attracts $3 million to $4 million from different state governments by taking one Origin game to a neutral venue each year, is keen to take a match to Auckland as part of its push into the New Zealand market.

One of the stumbling blocks is a noise restriction policy at Eden Park that limits events to 40-decibel sound readings after 10.30pm.
Given the time difference, the NRL wants to kick off an Auckland State of Origin game at 9.30pm local time to maximise the Australian television audience with a 7.30pm AEST kick-off.
Unlike Accor Stadium at Sydney Olympic Park, Eden Park is surrounded by residential dwellings in close proximity.

An aerial view of Eden Park in Auckland.CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES
It’s why the stringent noise policy at the iconic rugby union venue has been in place since 1993. The only relaxation of noise limits at Eden Park has been for the 2011 Rugby World Cup and the 2015 Cricket World Cup, where slightly higher noise limits (+5dB) were obtained through resource consent applications for those events.

The NRL is seeking a similar exemption but does not have the international audience of the two respective sporting world cups, which were watched by hundreds of millions of people.
A recent change of federal government in New Zealand has brought negotiations to a halt for now, but the NRL is keen on expanding its footprint across the ditch with plans in place to potentially introduce another team on the south island of the country over the next five to 10 years.