New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Fkn calm down mate. You threw the Raiders out there as some poor club, I was just telling you the facts.

Raiders are asset rich but struggle to generate revenue from football operations.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Now you’re doing a Perth red trolling an expansion thread to put your own one first

you were a fan of nz2 until recently what happened

I'm not anti-NZ2. I'd like New Zealand to have three teams some day. Doesn't change the fact the Warriors are second last on the table for revenue generation from football operations.

How can you not be concerned by thar?

After all the hype I've heard on here about RL taking over RU in NZ over the last 18 months, the figures released by the media are a stark reminder that our game has a long way to go before its in the same ballpark. It proves the people who've doubted the hype aren't "union trolls" and were right all along.

We need to be realistic and base our arguments on the evidence at hand and not let emotion cloud our judgement. Too many people are guilty of basing their opinion on expansion around what they prefer, rather than what's realistic.

 

[Wb1234]

I'm not anti-NZ2. I'd like New Zealand to have three teams some day. Doesn't change the fact the Warriors are second last on the table for revenue generation from football operations.

How can you not be concerned by thar?

After all the hype I've heard on here about RL taking over RU in NZ over the last 18 months, the figures released by the media are a stark reminder that our game has a long way to go before its in the same ballpark. It proves the people who've doubted the hype aren't "union trolls" and were right all along.

We need to be realistic and base our arguments on the evidence at hand and not let emotion cloud our judgement. Too many people are guilty of basing their opinion on expansion around what they prefer, rather than what's realistic.

a Christchurch rugby league club will have the second most revenue out of any rugby club in nz

stop being greedy Brisbane just got the dolphins nz deserves a second side before Brisbane 3

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

just ignore him, he's unhinged. I noticed he's now attacking the Warriors lol he's anti everywhere except QLD.

Pointing out that the Warriors are second last on revenue generation from football operations isn't an attack. You just don't want to hear any truth that doesn't support your anti-Qld agenda.

Please pack your bags and f**k off back to Canberra.

 

[Chief_Chujo]

Raiders are asset rich but struggle to generate revenue from football operations.

Elon Musk is poor then lol. Of course football revenue, which means nothing vs profit and assets, is going to be less in a small city.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

a Christchurch rugby league club will have the second most revenue out of any rugby club in nz

stop being greedy Brisbane just got the dolphins nz deserves a second side before Brisbane 3

What evidence do you have it will be the second richest "rugby" team in New Zealand?

There's nothing greedy about wanting Brisbane to have adequate representation with rich teams that have earnt their spot in the top grade over 100 years of hard work.

What's greedy is people from Sydney trying to limit Brisbane to two teams when they have nine, with around half of theirs being tiny and poorer than the Titans.

New Zealand doesn't even have a national competition of any note due to the game's low profile.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Elon Musk is poor then lol. Of course football revenue, which means nothing vs profit and assets, is going to be less in a small city.

How do you explain the Cowboys generating almost twice as much revenue than the Raiders from football operations?

Townsville is a smaller regional city than Canberra.

Cowboys
$22.7m

Raiders
$12.4m

You made the dumbarse claim that football revenue is going to be smaller for a team based in a smaller city. Townsville is probably the smallest city to host an NRL team, yet its football revenue is better than all bar four clubs. Auckland is larger than Camberra, yet the Warriors are second last.

You’ll never guess which NRL club is performing best – and worst – off the field

An NRL document has ranked the financial performance of every club. There are some big surprises – at the top and bottom of the ladder – in this revenue reveal.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Dark Corner]

That's really great news!

We've now got Gov supported bids from Christchurch and Perth. We're in a much stronger position for expansion than we were in 1995.

I would love to know how the ARL would of looked if the Super League war never happened.

 

[Dark Corner]

Yep, and if NPC loses it's distinct window & becomes a competition that's running "in the background" while an extended Super Rugby and/or champions league and/or tests happen (like how local club rugby runs "in the background" currently during Super Rugby), well.. it gets interesting.

With a "in the background" NPC (especially if the money drops a lot) provincial-tier & young up-and-coming RU players COULD be tempted to switch to league, if a reasonable-profile, reasonable-paying pathway or league happens.

Whether that's a higher profile NRL reserve grade or state leagues, or a national NZ competition, who knows... but NZ Rugby downgrading NPC to "upgrade" Super Rugby/Tests CERTAINLY opens some doors - and it's up to RL to walk right through them.

The NPC has playing in the shadows for the last 20 years or so.

 

[Chief_Chujo]

How do you explain the Cowboys generating almost twice as much revenue than the Raiders from football operations?

Townsville is a smaller regional city than Canberra.

Cowboys
$22.7m

Raiders
$12.4m

You made the dumbarse claim that football revenue is going to be smaller for a team based in a smaller city. Townsville is probably the smallest city to host an NRL team, yet its football revenue is better than all bar four clubs. Auckland is larger than Camberra, yet the Warriors are second last.

You’ll never guess which NRL club is performing best – and worst – off the field

An NRL document has ranked the financial performance of every club. There are some big surprises – at the top and bottom of the ladder – in this revenue reveal.

www.smh.com.au

Fair point. I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong. Now about your claim the Raiders are a poor club.

 

[Wb1234]

Elon Musk is poor then lol. Of course football revenue, which means nothing vs profit and assets, is going to be less in a small city.

What evidence do you have it will be the second richest "rugby" team in New Zealand?

There's nothing greedy about wanting Brisbane to have adequate representation with rich teams that have earnt their spot in the top grade over 100 years of hard work.

What's greedy is people from Sydney trying to limit Brisbane to two teams when they have nine, with around half of theirs being tiny and poorer than the Titans.

New Zealand doesn't even have a national competition of any note due to the game's low profile.

hahha ok Perth red

 

[flippikat]

The NPC has playing in the shadows for the last 20 years or so.

Partially.

The early rounds of NPC coincide with the last few weeks of a test-match window (Basically overlapping in August), but September-October has generally been a clear space for the NPC to play out the end of it's regular season & the playoffs.

That's still some opportunity to have decent media coverage without having to push past internationals & Super Rugby.. and plenty of scope for Super Rugby standard players to go back to their provinces & play for teams in Tauranga, Whangarei, Palmerston North or Invercargill.

Lessening or removing that clear space in September/October will mean less media coverage and potentially even less opportunity for Super Rugby players to play NPC

 

[Dark Corner]

Partially.

The early rounds of NPC coincide with the last few weeks of a test-match window (Basically overlapping in August), but September-October has generally been a clear space for the NPC to play out the end of it's regular season & the playoffs.

That's still some opportunity to have decent media coverage without having to push past internationals & Super Rugby.. and plenty of scope for Super Rugby standard players to go back to their provinces & play for teams in Tauranga, Whangarei, Palmerston North or Invercargill.

Lessening or removing that clear space in September/October will mean less media coverage and potentially even less opportunity for Super Rugby players to play NPC

The NPC reminds me of the Welsh Rugby Union Premiership when once it was the be all and end of top flight club Rugby with decent crowds and now in Wales no one watches it alongside the so called merged regions and Club Soccer is king.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I would love to know how the ARL would of looked if the Super League war never happened.

The 1995 expansion clubs would have folded. A few Sydney clubs would have folded, too. The broadcast deal with Packer ran to 2000 and only provided $10m per annum. Each club got a grant of $500k and had a salary cap of $1.8m.

I suspect we would have lost the following clubs.

Auckland Warriors
Balmain Tigers
Gold Coast Chargers
Illawarra Steelers
North Queensland Cowboys
North Sydney Bears
Penrith Panthers
South Queensland Crushers
South Sydney Rabbitohs
St George Dragons
Western Suburbs Magpies
Western Reds

It was the wrong time to expand.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Fair point. I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong. Now about your claim the Raiders are a poor club.

Raiders are definitely an asset rich club. They recently sold some assets in Logan and Toowoomba.

Where the Raiders struggle is acquiring support from the corporate sector. A new stadium with better corporate facilities might help them earn more money, but needs approval from the ACT and fed gov.

If an AwFuL club is introduced in Canberra then it could take corporate support away from the Raiders.

When you add in assets then Raiders are not a poor club.

 

[Wb1234]

The 1995 expansion clubs would have folded. A few Sydney clubs would have folded, too. The broadcast deal with Packer ran to 2000 and only provided $10m per annum. Each club got a grant of $500k and had a salary cap of $1.8m.

I suspect we would have lost the following clubs.

Auckland Warriors
Balmain Tigers
Gold Coast Chargers
Illawarra Steelers
North Queensland Cowboys
North Sydney Bears
Penrith Panthers
South Queensland Crushers
South Sydney Rabbitohs
St George Dragons
Western Suburbs Magpies
Western Reds

It was the wrong time to expand.

If you go back to the nswrl any club that was admitted was basically broke for 20 years

Cronulla would’ve died off and norths to the central coast

this was before wages went super league crazy

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

If you go back to the nswrl any club that was admitted was basically broke for 20 years

Cronulla would’ve died off and norths to the central coast

this was before wages went super league crazy

Clubs were struggling before News Ltd inflated contracts. The expansion clubs struggled with covering the flight and accommodation expenses for their opponents.

Cowboys made the mistake of undercharging their season tickets and corporate boxes. It didn't help that they had to take out a loan to build a stadium.

Arthurson and Quayle should have waited until 2000 before expanding. They rushed it because they wanted to teach the Broncos a lesson. At the same time they allowed Sydney bosses to place unfair burdens on the expansion clubs that bankrupted them. It was done wrong and created the perfect conditions for News Ltd to start up a rebel competition. No one was innocent.

 

[Diesel]

The 1995 expansion clubs would have folded. A few Sydney clubs would have folded, too. The broadcast deal with Packer ran to 2000 and only provided $10m per annum. Each club got a grant of $500k and had a salary cap of $1.8m.

I suspect we would have lost the following clubs.

Auckland Warriors
Balmain Tigers
Gold Coast Chargers
Illawarra Steelers
North Queensland Cowboys
North Sydney Bears
Penrith Panthers
South Queensland Crushers
South Sydney Rabbitohs
St George Dragons
Western Suburbs Magpies
Western Reds

It was the wrong time to expand.

1995 should’ve been two clubs as it was originally planned. Auckland and NQ from memory

 

[Wb1234]

Clubs were struggling before News Ltd inflated contracts. The expansion clubs struggled with covering the flight and accommodation expenses for their opponents.

Cowboys made the mistake of undercharging their season tickets and corporate boxes. It didn't help that they had to take out a loan to build a stadium.

Arthurson and Quayle should have waited until 2000 before expanding. They rushed it because they wanted to teach the Broncos a lesson. At the same time they allowed Sydney bosses to place unfair burdens on the expansion clubs that bankrupted them. It was done wrong and created the perfect conditions for News Ltd to start up a rebel competition. No one was innocent.

Is that you John ribot

I heard they were planning on Melbourne in 2000 to replace wests

arko said his biggest mistake was not admitting two Brisbane clubs at once but they wanted to ensure the Brisbane club was strong

if super league never happened we would already control the pacific and be looking at genuine international expansion (America France and sorting out England)

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

1995 should’ve been two clubs as it was originally planned. Auckland and NQ from memory

It was going to be Warriors and Crushers. Warriors were the first team announced in 92 or 93. Crushers had the backing of the QRL. Cowboys were the least fancied of the four bids.