New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Did someone steal your account

I prefer the guy who made this post than mr grumpy

now you are talking

with the grant so high just about any club is viable

I am upset with Albanese and V'landys for making a mockery of the expansion process.

What they've proposed isn't feasible and will cause all sorts of problems for the game.

PNG should be considered a long-term project due to its poor infrastructure. It ain't ready for an NRL team before 2050. What Albanese has proposed doesn't address the problems that stand between Papuans and an NRL contract. Poverty and poor infrastructure prevent children from playing organised sport and developing the necessary skills to be ready for the NRL when they're in their teens. The Hunters have failed to produce a litany of NRL players because they're selection people who didn't start playing in organised competition until they were adults. They lack the basic skills that Australian players have drilled into them when they're kids.

PNG needs to build more schools, roads and rugby league fields so children can be coached and play in organised competitions that feed into an NRL program. It will take at least 20 or 30 years to get it up to speed. At the moment the main way of commuting between PNG's largest cities is via plane because there's no highways connecting them. The bulk of the country is cut off from Port Moresby. Kids playing scratch matches in the villages have no chance of making their way to a junior club that is overseen by NRL talent scouts because they don't exist. We need to address this problem if we want to see more Papuans becoming NRL players.

Basic amenities like running water and electricity need to be built, too. There are regions in PNG that don't have these amenities.

The clubs want $230m of the $600m PNG aid package to be reserved for them. I don't know if they've made this outrageous demand to kill the proposal or if they're serious about taking 38% of the deal, but it's not a good look for the game. If they get it then LNP and the Greens will use it against Labor and the NRL to win votes from people who don't want to see rich Australian footballers getting $230m of their taxes.

The Bears proposal doesn't do justice to them or Perth. The only way the Bears can retain strong support from their remaining fans on the North Shore and keep the club's history alive is by setting up a full time presence on the Central Coast, with the aim of gaining an NRL licence in 15-20 years from now.. If they become the Perth Bears then their ties with the North Shore will fade into obscurity as the new brand grows and develops a history and identity of its own.

Of the three bids, the only one that has legs is Christchurch.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

@flippikat I'd rather @Wb1234, @final say and all his multis shit in my mouth than support a Cantab team. I'd probably support most Aussie teams against them too. TBF (due to the legacy of the Canes) if the Orcas got up I might hate them too, but there's more chance me supporting them than the Kea.

This guy gets it

This is how we feel about NSW up here in QLD.

NZ v NSW? Go the Kiwis!!!

 

[Perth Red]

Can’t see them announcing twenty teams until we know what 2028 deal is. it’s going to cost nrl $60mill plus a year to bring in three clubs, over $100mill a year if existing clubs get their way.
Nrl can’t currently afford that so would want to be sure they can recoup at least the costs from next tv deal.

 

[Perth Red]

No, but they're on their way. Vegas is the party to attend and be seen attending.. that they will for 4 more years. People don't understand, V'landys is trying to take the NRL to global mainstream, what you're alluding to.
I think it can. We have the man for the job.

Is that the party where they fudged the attendance figure?

 

[Perth Red]

Auckland. Christchurch. Wellington.

Put a team in all three cities and invest in the junior competitions. With the annual grant being so high there shouldn't be any problems keeping the teams viable.

The nz tv deal is $32mill cash and contra.
An nrl club costs $18mill now, more in future, would nrl recoup from tv the investment?

 

[Matiunz]

North Islanders trying to explain why and how they should be swayed by a South Island bid...
The arrogance is palpable.
No, they aren't a Wellington team lol.

It's hard to tell if these are tails of why you should support the South Island bid or why the bloody hell should they accept you?

For the record, the South Island is doing just fine without you.

It’s more about the bid limiting itself to JUST the SI. We all know the Warriors are pretty much an Auckland team by another name but they still represent the entire country whereas SI is limiting itself to 20% of the population, even calling themselves say “Southern” more than doubles their potential player catchment and fan base rather than intentionally alienating them and putting limitations on themselves.

 

[Matiunz]

Once chch are in and doing ok the need for a team in Wellington will be apparent since neither club can service it really

but the nrl teams should be taking home games to the districts around them eg chch to Dunedin and is there anyone else on the South Island that has a decent ground

Someone needs to be playing games in Hamilton ?

Nelson and invercargill have the other 2 SI top flight NPC teams with “ok” grounds that would do the job for a 1 off. Nelson location wise would be the smarter bet maybe getting a few catching the Ferry over for a game.
Over the years we’ve had a few Aus teams announce a multi year deal with an NZ city Sharks/Manly/Tigers in CHCH, Bulldogs/Canberra in Wellington, Eels/Tigers in Hamilton and Storm even took a game to Napier (I think for Tohu Harris) but for what ever reason they don’t seem to be worth seeing through.
I went to the Bulldogs ‘home’ games in Wellington and it was a bit cringey seeing the Dogs mascots and the PA trying to amp up the crowd to do Dogs chants when clearly the crowd supported the other team.

 

[Matiunz]

The NRL is right up there with the EPL, NBA, NFL for global popularity right?

Aus, UK and US are 3 of our largest tourism markets already but I’m sure having a league team will take NZ ‘Global’ …

 

[Thatwasnthighref]

Warriors already take a few there per season, I think the tigers were the home team actually, and a pre season sell out

Yea that was a good gesture by the Tigers last year. Got a good crowd of 24-25k and assuming they got the gate as home team, glad it worked out well for them.

But the Warriors actually haven't played in Hamilton much. I think the last game there before the Tigers was the Dogs in '14.

 

[Wb1234]

Nelson and invercargill have the other 2 SI top flight NPC teams with “ok” grounds that would do the job for a 1 off. Nelson location wise would be the smarter bet maybe getting a few catching the Ferry over for a game.
Over the years we’ve had a few Aus teams announce a multi year deal with an NZ city Sharks/Manly/Tigers in CHCH, Bulldogs/Canberra in Wellington, Eels/Tigers in Hamilton and Storm even took a game to Napier (I think for Tohu Harris) but for what ever reason they don’t seem to be worth seeing through.
I went to the Bulldogs ‘home’ games in Wellington and it was a bit cringey seeing the Dogs mascots and the PA trying to amp up the crowd to do Dogs chants when clearly the crowd supported the other team.

Hamilton Palmerston North rotarua and Napier ? Could all take a potential Wellington nrl team home games

chch would be Dunedin and Nelson and invercargill ?

wahs just keep home games in Auckland given population base

 

[Wb1234]

I am upset with Albanese and V'landys for making a mockery of the expansion process.

What they've proposed isn't feasible and will cause all sorts of problems for the game.

PNG should be considered a long-term project due to its poor infrastructure. It ain't ready for an NRL team before 2050. What Albanese has proposed doesn't address the problems that stand between Papuans and an NRL contract. Poverty and poor infrastructure prevent children from playing organised sport and developing the necessary skills to be ready for the NRL when they're in their teens. The Hunters have failed to produce a litany of NRL players because they're selection people who didn't start playing in organised competition until they were adults. They lack the basic skills that Australian players have drilled into them when they're kids.

PNG needs to build more schools, roads and rugby league fields so children can be coached and play in organised competitions that feed into an NRL program. It will take at least 20 or 30 years to get it up to speed. At the moment the main way of commuting between PNG's largest cities is via plane because there's no highways connecting them. The bulk of the country is cut off from Port Moresby. Kids playing scratch matches in the villages have no chance of making their way to a junior club that is overseen by NRL talent scouts because they don't exist. We need to address this problem if we want to see more Papuans becoming NRL players.

Basic amenities like running water and electricity need to be built, too. There are regions in PNG that don't have these amenities.

The clubs want $230m of the $600m PNG aid package to be reserved for them. I don't know if they've made this outrageous demand to kill the proposal or if they're serious about taking 38% of the deal, but it's not a good look for the game. If they get it then LNP and the Greens will use it against Labor and the NRL to win votes from people who don't want to see rich Australian footballers getting $230m of their taxes.

The Bears proposal doesn't do justice to them or Perth. The only way the Bears can retain strong support from their remaining fans on the North Shore and keep the club's history alive is by setting up a full time presence on the Central Coast, with the aim of gaining an NRL licence in 15-20 years from now.. If they become the Perth Bears then their ties with the North Shore will fade into obscurity as the new brand grows and develops a history and identity of its own.

Of the three bids, the only one that has legs is Christchurch.

I first read about a png nrl team in big league magazine around 25 years ago

i immediately thought what a great idea and also the nrl will never have the balls to do it

Every time the idea has come up it’s been mentioned it would need govt support

then when shorten raised it as a policy I had it in the back of my mind labor would bring it in

a png nrl team won’t make the country stop being a third world nation

but it will give millions and millions of people a lot of joy

and I’ve shown links where the hunters have provided many players currently to English rugby league. Thats with the current poorly developed pathways

how many people wrote off the dolphins before their first season and look at them now

a lot of work will be put into the bid by both Australia and png. It won’t be winning the nrl anytime soon but that’s not the point of a png nrl team

 

[Matiunz]

Hamilton Palmerston North rotarua and Napier ? Could all take a potential Wellington nrl team home games

chch would be Dunedin and Nelson and invercargill ?

wahs just keep home games in Auckland given population base

Basically the Yellow area would probably work best (Wellington, Taranaki, Manawatu, Hawkes Bay, East Coast). All bar Taranaki(who used to be) are in the Hurricanes Catchment, Central Districts Cricket team is a combo of Taranaki/Hawkes Bay/Manawatu/Tasman), Hawkes Bay and Manawatu ran a combined Union team for a while and I think the central vipers in the bartercard cup were essentially a Taranaki/Manawatu/Hawkes bay combo so there is history there. Also Massey Uni in Palmerston North tends to pull students from those regions. Have most home games in Wellington with 2 in New Plymouth/Napier/Palmy on a rotating basis and you’d be set.
That’d leave the Black & Blue areas for the Warriors that could do similar and take a couple of games to Hamilton/Rotorua/Tauranga on a rotating basis

 

[MugaB]

I first read about a png nrl team in big league magazine around 25 years ago

i immediately thought what a great idea and also the nrl will never have the balls to do it

Every time the idea has come up it’s been mentioned it would need govt support

then when shorten raised it as a policy I had it in the back of my mind labor would bring it in

a png nrl team won’t make the country stop being a third world nation

but it will give millions and millions of people a lot of joy

and I’ve shown links where the hunters have provided many players currently to English rugby league. Thats with the current poorly developed pathways

how many people wrote off the dolphins before their first season and look at them now

a lot of work will be put into the bid by both Australia and png. It won’t be winning the nrl anytime soon but that’s not the point of a png nrl team

Well said, these are my sentiments too, I suppose if you're a dimwit from Logan everyone needs to be able to beat an East tigers bid to be worthy of his influential vote.... then again him thinking Christchurch has the best bid, when the 2 that exist and unnamed 3rd one are all only on conceptual basis, Meaning there's no rolled out bids they are just talk until there's an official announcement of which none of them have done anything other than some bogus kea advert, where as the png bid has been announced and basically accepted already, the bears are currently putting together the nuts and bolts of it, now that they know what they are meant to be doing (since they were in Limbo for so long)
and Brisbane 3 won't be needed apparently due to the timeline of dolphins entry(as we all predicted and explained many times over, to donks, with no avail)

 

[Thatwasnthighref]

Hamilton Palmerston North rotarua and Napier ? Could all take a potential Wellington nrl team home games

chch would be Dunedin and Nelson and invercargill ?

wahs just keep home games in Auckland given population base

IMO Warriors should really be playing more games in Hamilton. Only a 90min trip down SH1 so probably closer than a few inter-Sydney games. And probably not much longer than the trip to Mt Smart for some Aucklanders. Tricky balance though given current numbers at Mt Smart.

Maybe some Australian clubs should consider a Hamilton "home" game to cash in on the Wahs bandwagon? Anyone getting 12k or less could nearly double that right now.

 

[Wb1234]

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Basically the Yellow area would probably work best (Wellington, Taranaki, Manawatu, Hawkes Bay, East Coast). All bar Taranaki(who used to be) are in the Hurricanes Catchment, Central Districts Cricket team is a combo of Taranaki/Hawkes Bay/Manawatu/Tasman), Hawkes Bay and Manawatu ran a combined Union team for a while and I think the central vipers in the bartercard cup were essentially a Taranaki/Manawatu/Hawkes bay combo so there is history there. Also Massey Uni in Palmerston North tends to pull students from those regions. Have most home games in Wellington with 2 in New Plymouth/Napier/Palmy on a rotating basis and you’d be set.
That’d leave the Black & Blue areas for the Warriors that could do similar and take a couple of games to Hamilton/Rotorua/Tauranga on a rotating basis

Thanks that was exactly what I was after

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Hamilton Palmerston North rotarua and Napier ? Could all take a potential Wellington nrl team home games

chch would be Dunedin and Nelson and invercargill ?

wahs just keep home games in Auckland given population base

Hamilton and the Bay of Plenty are cutting into Warriors territory- plenty of fans drive up for games, particularly from Hamilton which is only an hour up the motorway to Mt Smart. Long term Napier, Palmerston North and New Plymouth are the regional centres a Wellington team would really want to cultivate. Possibly Nelson as well which despite being in the South Island is closer to Wellington.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I first read about a png nrl team in big league magazine around 25 years ago

i immediately thought what a great idea and also the nrl will never have the balls to do it

Every time the idea has come up it’s been mentioned it would need govt support

then when shorten raised it as a policy I had it in the back of my mind labor would bring it in

a png nrl team won’t make the country stop being a third world nation

but it will give millions and millions of people a lot of joy

and I’ve shown links where the hunters have provided many players currently to English rugby league. Thats with the current poorly developed pathways

how many people wrote off the dolphins before their first season and look at them now

a lot of work will be put into the bid by both Australia and png. It won’t be winning the nrl anytime soon but that’s not the point of a png nrl team

The 17 NRL clubs still need to accept this bid before it is given the licence.

It was reported the clubs want $230m in exchange for their approval: $60m as a lump sum payment and $170m over five years.

If it is given the tick of approval then it rules out further expansion untip 2033.

V'landys wants 20 teams.by 2032. Cannot happen under the demands put forward by the 17 clubs.

 

[Wb1234]

The 17 NRL clubs still need to accept this bid before it is given the licence.

It was reported the clubs want $230m in exchange for their approval: $60m as a lump sum payment and $170m over five years.

If it is given the tick of approval then it rules out further expansion untip 2033.

V'landys wants 20 teams.by 2032. Cannot happen under the demands put forward by the 17 clubs.

He will get the nrl clubs to agree to all 3 expansion teams

and if the arlc has to fund that 170 million they can afford too and it makes all the clubs even bigger profits

he will make more than that back from the next tv deal

the arlc doesn’t need to make more than 50 million pa profit once its a lot more the players and clubs get angry which is fair

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Is that the party where they fudged the attendance figure?

It's my understanding that the announced attendance was the number of tickets sold. The reason for some not showing on the day was severe weather causing cancellation of inbound flights

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

This guy gets it

This is how we feel about NSW up here in QLD.

NZ v NSW? Go the Kiwis!!!

I don't hate NSW, except during SOO.

I get pissed off with the Sydney-centric coverage by News Ltd and Ch9, but NSW is still my favourite state after Queensland because of the history between the two. Queensland was NSW at one stage and wee share a similar culture.

I think the way the Sydney media has made expansion coverage all about the North Sydney Bears and Newtown Jets is harmful to the game and needs to stop. We don't need any more NSWRL teams in the NRL. Clubs like the Bears and Jetd shouldn't be placed ahead of candidates from other markets. The interests of nostalgic NSWRL fans from the baby boomer era shouldn't be placed ahead of the rest of the rugby league community.

It's my understanding that the announced attendance was the number of tickets sold. The reason for some not showing on the day was severe weather causing cancellation of inbound flights

I'm not convinced Las Vegas is good for the game. The ARLC is now asking fans to travel to Brisbane for Magic Round and Las Vegas. Not good for people doing it tough. When interest in Las Vegas dies down the media will trash it. Fumbleball leaning fans from the media will mock it as a "dud", hurting the game's reputation.

If rather see the season launched in New Zealand to help boost their economy. The cooler weather over there makes it a great place to launch the season in March. It's too humid in Queensland at that time of year. Give them a Magic Round to start the season so RL is the main focus across the entire country. The stronger Australian dollar will go further when converted into the New Zealand dollar. If we go to America we lose value.