New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[The Great Dane]

Yep that’s a solution to concussion

Sonny's not wrong. Those rules won't change a damned thing.

Even if those rules do lower the rate of concussions (which I'm highly dubious about), it won't stop concussions from happening and all the scariest concussions I've seen have been from defenders going in low, getting it wrong, and copping a hip or knee for their trouble.

It's a slippery slope as well. If these changes stand it'll only be a matter of time before people are pushing for further changes to ban the tackling style that's the next most likely to lead to concussion, and so on and so forth until they're pushing for banning contact completely.

This bloke Ollie has the right of it-

 

[Pippen94]

Sonny's not wrong. Those rules won't change a damned thing.

Even if those rules do lower the rate of concussions (which I'm highly dubious about), it won't stop concussions from happening and all the scariest concussions I've seen have been from defenders going in low, getting it wrong, and copping a hip or knee for their trouble.

It's a slippery slope as well. If these changes stand it'll only be a matter of time before people are pushing for further changes to ban the tackling style that's the next most likely to lead to concussion, and so on and so forth until they're pushing for banning contact completely.

This bloke Ollie has the right of it-

Ppl haven't known about long-term effects of concussions in football for 200 years.

 

[Wb1234]

Ppl haven't known about long-term effects of concussions in football for 200 years.

Wow

they knew about cte in the 1800s ?

 

[Wb1234]

It wouldn't matter if PNG had a billion people so long as those people live in abject poverty, and Auckland and NS's GDPs are irrelevant.
Nobody said anything about Auckland or NS, but focusing on their GDP's at the expense of all other factors is as stupid as focusing exclusively on PNG's population when considering them for expansion.

The funny thing is that the Union guy would probably have no trouble seeing the flaws in your ideas, but also be simultaneously incapable or unwilling to see the flaws in his own ideas like you are of your own.

BTW, nobody knows what PNG's population is anymore. The numbers being thrown around are at best informed guesstimates. What's concerning is that there're suggestions that the miscounting of their population has been somewhat papering over the cracks of their poverty rate. In other words PNG's population being bigger than first thought may actually set their hopes for an NRL side back even further, not push them forward.

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[Gobsmacked]

A PNG team works if:

Thier government or ours paid the NRL 20 million a year guaranteed for 50 years.

They were based in Cairns, only going to PNG to play their home games.

They had an additional 2 million in their cap to attract and retain talent with the travel and safety concerns.

All these things only gets PNG to the table. They still wouldn't offer much to the NRL.

 

[Pneuma]

A PNG team works if:

Thier government or ours paid the NRL 20 million a year guaranteed for 50 years.

They were based in Cairns, only going to PNG to play their home games.

They had an additional 2 million in their cap to attract and retain talent with the travel and safety concerns.

All these things only gets PNG to the table. They still wouldn't offer much to the NRL.

They add a new country to our competition.
They add huge potential talent.
They add huge potential sponsorship from a number of angle - Aus gov. Mining, others due to profile across the pacific
They add a dynamic to our game into the 21st century of us being the dominate code across the region.
PNG isn’t Perth. that’s enough on its own.

 

[Gobsmacked]

They add a new country to our competition.
They add huge potential talent.
They add huge potential sponsorship from a number of angle - Aus gov. Mining, others due to profile across the pacific
They add a dynamic to our game into the 21st century of us being the dominate code across the region.
PNG isn’t Perth. that’s enough on its own.

It would be cool, no doubt.
I'd prefer them over Perth without question.
I have no interest in a Perth team tbh
Who gives a f**k about Perth?
Pointless dote on a map

 

[The Great Dane]

Ppl haven't known about long-term effects of concussions in football for 200 years.

Whether or not we knew in the past, and for how long, is totally irrelevant. Now we do know, and it's up to people to decide whether or not they want to take those risks.

I'd contest that point anyway.

Every club I've ever been around (RL, RU, even soccer to an extent) had at least a few old boys who had 'had their brains bashed in', 'were punch drunk', [insert other euphemisms here], and we always knew that it was a consequence of prolonged exposure to physical contact. In other words we've known what was causing what we now call CTE since before I was born, but didn't know the how until the discovery of CTE, and people, including myself, still chose to participate despite knowing those risks.

We've also always known about the risks of lifechanging injury or even death and still chosen to participate despite that as well.

When it comes to adults the decision should be up to informed individuals. Admittedly the discussion gets more dicey when we start to talk about kids though.

 

[The Great Dane]

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What about it? That doesn't address any of the points I've made.

 

[The Great Dane]

A PNG team works if:

Thier government or ours paid the NRL 20 million a year guaranteed for 50 years.

They were based in Cairns, only going to PNG to play their home games.

They had an additional 2 million in their cap to attract and retain talent with the travel and safety concerns.

All these things only gets PNG to the table. They still wouldn't offer much to the NRL.

You'd need more than $20mil a year, and they'd probably need it for longer than 50 years as well. Basing them in Cairns would further blowout travel costs as well. Even if they were based in Port Moresby they probably have the highest travel costs in the league, base them in Cairns and they'd have to fly to every single game.

Broadcast value is negligible in PNG, and their potential sponsorship market is tiny in real terms, but the biggest issues are that at current exchange rates K$1.00 only buys you AU$0.45 and most of the population are subsistence farmers whom can't afford the product anyway.

In other words, to draw a crowd they'd need to have by far the lowest average prices in the league whilst also simultaneously maintaining the highest operating costs by far.

Now lets say that you could get government grants from PNG, AUS, and maybe NZ as well, to completely cover the costs of the club (which is probably a pipedream in of it's self by the way), how long do you think it'll be before that money is redirected?

Whether it's a change of government, public protest, simply that the government needs the money for other things, etc, it'd only be a matter of time before that money is taken away, and it'd be redirected long before a PNG side is independently sustainable. At that point the NRL would be left holding a bill they can't really afford, and be left with the decision of throwing money into the abyss to try and sustain the club for as long as possible, or breaking the hearts of millions of Papuans by choosing to fold the club. Imagine what impact that could have not only on the sport, but also on relations between the two nations.

Everybody wants a PNG side to happen, and sooner or later it will assuming that all goes well, but both PNG and the NRL aren't ready for it to happen yet and it'll end in tragedy if they give it a go too soon.

 

[Wb1234]

What about it? That doesn't address any of the points I've made.

He’s walking around in public without much security so all the talk about the whole country being rife with violence seems exaggerated

they all seem to be able to afford decent clothing too I thought they were all subsistence farmers

oh and the fact everyone is stopping and giving adulation to a retired league player doesn’t need to be pointed out it’s so obvious

 

[Wb1234]

It would be cool, no doubt.
I'd prefer them over Perth without question.
I have no interest in a Perth team tbh
Who gives a f**k about Perth?
Pointless dote on a map

Once they see how successful the dolphins are and how it means tv networks will pay even more as ratings grow they won’t be stopping at 18

Perth and the dolphins will provide for much larger tv deals down the track which then paved the way for south west brissie and nz2

that still leaves out Adelaide png and central coast

but if we develop png and the pacific properly player numbers and quality will never be an issue

 

[Wb1234]

You'd need more than $20mil a year, and they'd probably need it for longer than 50 years as well. Basing them in Cairns would further blowout travel costs as well. Even if they were based in Port Moresby they probably have the highest travel costs in the league, base them in Cairns and they'd have to fly to every single game.

Broadcast value is negligible in PNG, and their potential sponsorship market is tiny in real terms, but the biggest issues are that at current exchange rates K$1.00 only buys you AU$0.45 and most of the population are subsistence farmers whom can't afford the product anyway.

In other words, to draw a crowd they'd need to have by far the lowest average prices in the league whilst also simultaneously maintaining the highest operating costs by far.

Now lets say that you could get government grants from PNG, AUS, and maybe NZ as well, to completely cover the costs of the club (which is probably a pipedream in of it's self by the way), how long do you think it'll be before that money is redirected?

Whether it's a change of government, public protest, simply that the government needs the money for other things, etc, it'd only be a matter of time before that money is taken away, and it'd be redirected long before a PNG side is independently sustainable. At that point the NRL would be left holding a bill they can't really afford, and be left with the decision of throwing money into the abyss to try and sustain the club for as long as possible, or breaking the hearts of millions of Papuans by choosing to fold the club. Imagine what impact that could have not only on the sport, but also on relations between the two nations.

Everybody wants a PNG side to happen, and sooner or later it will assuming that all goes well, but both PNG and the NRL aren't ready for it to happen yet and it'll end in tragedy if they give it a go too soon.

Guess you haven’t seen the finances for the proposed afl team in Tasmania

the afl has demanded the government give them 8 million dollars pa in funding AND spend 750 million building a new stadium

 

[The Great Dane]

He’s walking around in public without much security so all the talk about the whole country being rife with violence seems exaggerated

they all seem to be able to afford decent clothing too I thought they were all subsistence farmers

oh and the fact everyone is stopping and giving adulation to a retired league player doesn’t need to be pointed out it’s so obvious

It's crazy how people can be so ignorant about our closest neighbours.

That still doesn't address any of points I've made BTW.

 

[Wb1234]

A PNG team works if:

Thier government or ours paid the NRL 20 million a year guaranteed for 50 years.

They were based in Cairns, only going to PNG to play their home games.

They had an additional 2 million in their cap to attract and retain talent with the travel and safety concerns.

All these things only gets PNG to the table. They still wouldn't offer much to the NRL.

Unlimited player depth
International rugby league
Every game will be sold out even if they built a stadium holding 100k
Most passionate fans in the game … watching their games in tv would be so enjoyable

 

[Wb1234]

It's crazy how people can be so ignorant about our closest neighbours.

That still doesn't address any of points I've made BTW.

Yes it does

security and finances are overblown by people who spend too much time on their computers

why did you ignore how much the Tasmanian govt is putting in for their afl side ?

doesnt suit your narrative does it ?

 

[The Great Dane]

Guess you haven’t seen the finances for the proposed afl team in Tasmania

the afl has demanded the government give them 8 million dollars pa in funding AND spend 750 million building a new stadium

Irrelevant whataboutism.

The NRL would be asking for a lot more than $8mil per annum for a start.

 

[Wb1234]

Irrelevant whataboutism.

The NRL would be asking for a lot more than $8mil per annum for a start.

Ah anyone that uses THAT term means they have lost the argument

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

If the Sydney clubs struggle to generate $10m from football operations, what chance does a Papua New Guinean team have when only 15% of its population has access to electricity and the GDP per capita is about $3,000?

A PNG club will not have the luxury of generating $50m from people playing the pokies.

 

[The Great Dane]

Yes it does

security and finances are overblown by people who spend too much time on their computers

No it doesn't. There's literally no substance to it at all. It's just a video of a celebrity in one of the major cities surrounded by security at an event. You've definitely never been to PNG...

PNG has the second highest crime rate in the world, and you can get detail on it simply by googling. They're amongst the highest rates of violent crime, corruption, violence against women, etc, etc, in the world.

Because of their census issues and the pandemic their poverty rate is a bit up in the air ATM, but it's estimated to be at about 40%. That's a rate of poverty that's hard for people in developed first world countries to even comprehend unless they've witnessed it first hand.

At last count PNG had the fourth highest child stunting rate amongst in the world with malnutrition at about 50% amongst children. That's not that they aren't getting enough food and going hungry sometimes, that's that they're literally getting so little food that their bodies start to consume themselves to survive, which results in stunted growth or starvation. Again that's incomprehensible to people in developed countries with the first world problem of "poor" people having disproportionate rates of obesity.

I could go on and on ad nauseam about rates of sanitation and electricity, literacy, disease, organised crime, literal tribal warfare, but I'll spare us both.

Suffice it to say that PNG has huge societal issues that it needs to deal with, they aren't currently in a position to host an NRL side, and won't be for decades.