New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Gobsmacked]

Just read on I.stuff.co.nz that all blacks are dissolving forthwith & becoming NRL team from south island. Jacinda Ardern will coach first season

That's awesome! I was just reading also in the SMH that Pippen94 has nothing meaningful to add.
In the era of fake news , this was strikingly accurate.

 

[MugaB]

That's awesome! I was just reading also in the SMH that Pippen94 has nothing meaningful to add.
In the era of fake news , this was strikingly accurate.

Better that visiting the expansion threads then realized its just te kaha and gobsmaked throwing garbage insults at each other... fmd get a room... at least pippen is lightning the mood, this thread should get binned

 

[Pippen94]

Better that visiting the expansion threads then realized its just te kaha and gobsmaked throwing garbage insults at each other... fmd get a room... at least pippen is lightning the mood, this thread should get binned

That's awesome! I was just reading also in the SMH that Pippen94 has nothing meaningful to add.
In the era of fake news , this was strikingly accurate.

Lol. It's a joke. Chill

 

[Gobsmacked]

I actually do believe in the heading. I think it holds weight. The shit slinging from te kar is to ensure it doesn't
But we're still here. Still open to any meaningful debate

 

[Te Kaha]

I actually do believe in the heading. I think it holds weight. The shit slinging from te kar is to ensure it doesn't
But we're still here. Still open to any meaningful debate

That's your biggest pile of horse shit yet. "Still open to any meaningful debate" and yet you haven't taken anything ANY actual NZer has said about the state of NZ League. You hate Rugby, we get it. But to say you are "open" to anything is bullshit.

 

[Matua]

TikTok - Make Your Day

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here’s an honest union fen talking about the collapse of super rugby

That guy is the rugby version of you and Gob.

 

[Wb1234]

No dumber than some of the ideas on here TBF.

Samoan and Townsville Super Rugby teams are probably as reasonable as the many proposals for a PNG side or the anywhere and everywhere Bears in the NRL.

Nah totally different and you know it

png has 17 million people

the north shore gdp is probably on par with the whole of Auckland

 

[Wb1234]

That guy is the rugby version of you and Gob.

It’s not just Aussie league fans saying super rugby is broken

 

[Wb1234]

People seem to be attracted to the idea that RL and RU's fortunes are entwined, but in this case it is largely unconnected.

If you really dig into why RU is struggling in Australia it's got almost nothing to do with RL or the NRL, at least not directly, and the people benefiting most from RU's struggles are the AFL not NRL.

I'm going to oversimplify because I'd have to write an essay otherwise, but the core of RU's problem in Australia is pretty straightforward; the product simply isn't appealing in a market that is probably the most competitive in the world for contact football codes, and because of traditionalist attitudes in the sport (and frankly a fear of backlash from powerful supporters and other organisations within the sport) they've refused to make the changes necessary to their product to make it competitive in the market.

If you look at what information we have the AFL/Aussie Rules have largely been the beneficiaries of RU's struggles as well. Aussie Rules has slowly been replacing RU in private schools (admittedly for reasons largely outside the NRL's control), people abandoning Super Rugby sides have been picking up e.g. Swans and Lions memberships for the most part, etc, etc. That's not to suggest that there's been some sort of direct attack on RU by the AFL, because I highly doubt that's the case, more that they were just better placed to benefit from RU's struggles because of the historical animosity between the two rugby codes.

Pretty much spot on

We have benefitted a bit getting union juniors

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Surely Perth will get the next licence?

I cannot see us going to 19 or 20 teams any time soon. We'll probably stay at 18.

 

[Colk]

Surely Perth will get the next licence?

I cannot see us going to 19 or 20 teams any time soon. We'll probably stay at 18.

They should get the licence. Whether they will is another question.

 

[Wb1234]

Yep that’s a solution to concussion

 

[RL The greatest game]

Surely Perth will get the next licence?

I cannot see us going to 19 or 20 teams any time soon. We'll probably stay at 18.

That would send Vicky Kicky house into meltdown

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

They should get the licence. Whether they will is another question.

Our game does have a history of letting self-interest from existing clubs get in the way of expansion.

That would send Vicky Kicky house into meltdown

It will also help us increase participation in a new market. The game will be much stronger with a professional team in Perth.

 

[Perth Red]

I think a nz2 team will have a very minor Impact at u18 level on union, a handful of players who play both codes as kids will decide to follow an nrl dream rather than an all blacks one. Nrl teams are not signing established super rugby players, let alone all blacks, so it’ll have zero impact at that established player level.

Perth will have a greater impact on union in WA imo which is being allowed to flourish and take the best “Rugby” jnrs in both codes at the moment with little competition. There’s no all blacks dream for a jnr WA rugby player and the Western Force would not be as big a draw as a successful Perth NRL club imo.

afl will have zero concerns about an nrl club in perth, the two afl clubs here are massive, as is grass roots. Be like saying eels and panthers are cacking it at gws being admitted!

 

[Pneuma]

I think a nz2 team will have a very minor Impact at u18 level on union, a handful of players who play both codes as kids will decide to follow an nrl dream rather than an all blacks one. Nrl teams are not signing established super rugby players, let alone all blacks, so it’ll have zero impact at that established player level.

Perth will have a greater impact on union in WA imo which is being allowed to flourish and take the best “Rugby” jnrs in both codes at the moment with little competition. There’s no all blacks dream for a jnr WA rugby player and the Western Force would not be as big a draw as a successful Perth NRL club imo.

afl will have zero concerns about an nrl club in perth, the two afl clubs here are massive, as is grass roots. Be like saying eels and panthers are cacking it at gws being admitted!

I’d leave Perth as a dead market. It’s small insular and simply doesn’t deserve a team. It adds nothing. I’d be going NZ2 then PNG. I’m my experience Perth people are very narrow minded as well. And negative. I’d focus on NZ 2, PNG then Brisbane 3. Perth? Never.

 

[Perth Red]

Hopefully this will pay some dividends for elite rugby league in nz. There’s a lot of rebuilding to do before we consider a nz2 club


In the role of’ general manager of recruitment, development and pathways at the Warriors, McFadden brings the unique experience of having been the club’s NRL head coach between 2014-2016.
Before that he was an NRL assistant when the Warriors were dominating the U-20 National Youth Competition.

But McFadden says things have changed now due to the Warriors' backyard being littered with scouts from rival NRL clubs.
“When I first got here the under 20s was booming and largely there wasn’t a huge presence from other NRL clubs," McFadden says.

We had so much talent back then, it may have bred some complacency because there seemed to just be talent coming from everywhere. Now I think it’s a bit more challenging because obviously everyone knows about it.

Earlier this month, the Warriors announced a partnership with the Pasifika Aotearoa Collective in New Zealand - the umbrella organisation for the New Zealand arms of the rugby league bodies for Cook Islands, Fiji, Niue, Samoa, Tokelau, Tonga and the New Zealand Māori.

Between them they run some of the biggest junior rugby league competitions in the country, which the likes of Jason Taumalolo, Jordan Riki and Matthew Timoko all passed through.

The partnership won't give the Warriors exclusive rights to players from those competitions, but it does offer a valuable opportunity to showcase their club and what it can offer, with all parties committed to trying to keep players at home in New Zealand.

“Every other club wants to take the kids out of New Zealand. We are the only club with the same mandate, the same aspirations (as PAC), and that is to keep anyone and everyone who wants to be involved in rugby league in New Zealand," Warriors CEO Cameron George says.

The Warriors will return to the SG Ball Cup in 2023, as well as fielding their own reserve grade side in the NSW Cup for the first time since 2020.

Looking further ahead, McFadden confirmed the club's intention to have a side in the Jersey Flegg Cup (NSW U-21) in 2024, while at under 16 level the Warriors have a system running as well, which will include taking teams on tours across the Tasman to play Australian opposition.

While it will take some time, the vision is there for a holistic pathways system. One the Warriors hope will ultimately mean they keep more future Kiwi NRL superstars at home.

Warriors outline new-look pathways system

After having their junior pathways halted by the pandemic, the Warriors are looking to rebuild their systems with a range of new development strands.

www.nrl.com

 

[Pippen94]

I think a nz2 team will have a very minor Impact at u18 level on union, a handful of players who play both codes as kids will decide to follow an nrl dream rather than an all blacks one. Nrl teams are not signing established super rugby players, let alone all blacks, so it’ll have zero impact at that established player level.

Perth will have a greater impact on union in WA imo which is being allowed to flourish and take the best “Rugby” jnrs in both codes at the moment with little competition. There’s no all blacks dream for a jnr WA rugby player and the Western Force would not be as big a draw as a successful Perth NRL club imo.

afl will have zero concerns about an nrl club in perth, the two afl clubs here are massive, as is grass roots. Be like saying eels and panthers are cacking it at gws being admitted!

Ha haha

 

[Pneuma]

Hopefully this will pay some dividends for elite rugby league in nz. There’s a lot of rebuilding to do before we consider a nz2 club


In the role of’ general manager of recruitment, development and pathways at the Warriors, McFadden brings the unique experience of having been the club’s NRL head coach between 2014-2016.
Before that he was an NRL assistant when the Warriors were dominating the U-20 National Youth Competition.

But McFadden says things have changed now due to the Warriors' backyard being littered with scouts from rival NRL clubs.
“When I first got here the under 20s was booming and largely there wasn’t a huge presence from other NRL clubs," McFadden says.

We had so much talent back then, it may have bred some complacency because there seemed to just be talent coming from everywhere. Now I think it’s a bit more challenging because obviously everyone knows about it.

Earlier this month, the Warriors announced a partnership with the Pasifika Aotearoa Collective in New Zealand - the umbrella organisation for the New Zealand arms of the rugby league bodies for Cook Islands, Fiji, Niue, Samoa, Tokelau, Tonga and the New Zealand Māori.

Between them they run some of the biggest junior rugby league competitions in the country, which the likes of Jason Taumalolo, Jordan Riki and Matthew Timoko all passed through.

The partnership won't give the Warriors exclusive rights to players from those competitions, but it does offer a valuable opportunity to showcase their club and what it can offer, with all parties committed to trying to keep players at home in New Zealand.

“Every other club wants to take the kids out of New Zealand. We are the only club with the same mandate, the same aspirations (as PAC), and that is to keep anyone and everyone who wants to be involved in rugby league in New Zealand," Warriors CEO Cameron George says.

The Warriors will return to the SG Ball Cup in 2023, as well as fielding their own reserve grade side in the NSW Cup for the first time since 2020.

Looking further ahead, McFadden confirmed the club's intention to have a side in the Jersey Flegg Cup (NSW U-21) in 2024, while at under 16 level the Warriors have a system running as well, which will include taking teams on tours across the Tasman to play Australian opposition.

While it will take some time, the vision is there for a holistic pathways system. One the Warriors hope will ultimately mean they keep more future Kiwi NRL superstars at home.

Warriors outline new-look pathways system

After having their junior pathways halted by the pandemic, the Warriors are looking to rebuild their systems with a range of new development strands.

www.nrl.com

Logically then we need another club in NZ. Follow that with PNG and Brisbane 3 we’ll have twenty clubs, three countries and the South Pacific rugby league. Perth can watch the two fumble teams.

 

[The Great Dane]

Nah totally different and you know it

png has 17 million people

the north shore gdp is probably on par with the whole of Auckland

It wouldn't matter if PNG had a billion people so long as those people live in abject poverty, and Auckland and NS's GDPs are irrelevant.
Nobody said anything about Auckland or NS, but focusing on their GDP's at the expense of all other factors is as stupid as focusing exclusively on PNG's population when considering them for expansion.

The funny thing is that the Union guy would probably have no trouble seeing the flaws in your ideas, but also be simultaneously incapable or unwilling to see the flaws in his own ideas like you are of your own.

BTW, nobody knows what PNG's population is anymore. The numbers being thrown around are at best informed guesstimates. What's concerning is that there're suggestions that the miscounting of their population has been somewhat papering over the cracks of their poverty rate. In other words PNG's population being bigger than first thought may actually set their hopes for an NRL side back even further, not push them forward.