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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

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The Great Dane said:
He didn't.

Nobody knows who Jones was referring to, and the names being thrown around are purely media speculation. Personally I wouldn't be surprised if that was entirely the point on Eddie's part.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that Eddie and the ARU would love to sign many of the NRL's players if they got the opportunity, but announcing it the way he did came off more as a publicity stunt than part of a genuine thought out plan to poach NRL players.
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Fair point.
 
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If you look at the last 25 years . League in Australia has slowly grown, at the same time Union has slowly gone backwards..
Coincidence?
The money thrown at League stars probably only hurt thier balance sheet and gave League credibility. And after they pinch a star, another one just pops up in their place. League can produce stars easily because of the way the game in structured, everyone has an opportunity to make a heroic play.
Now nobody's genuinely suggesting League will take over in NZ ( at least not in my lifetime) but it can take a fair chunk.
If League gets another team in NZ, it will come at a cost to Union. That's just the reality.
 
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Gobsmacked said:
I already linked it. Hence te kahs melt down lol
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Asking why you are posting irrelevant posts is having a meltdown? Well you are the expert on having meltdowns.

RL The greatest game said:
Are you party to what goes on behind the scenes at Aussie and NZ TV?
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Its purely evidence based. Aussie Tv doesn't rate NZ teams because they don't rate on Aussie TV. Having one is bad enough, they wont want a second.
And before Spark TV tried to get the rights Sky Didn't make any great increase on their bd each contract. They wont be bedding anywhere near the last figure again.

Gobsmacked said:
He knows everyone in NZ and Australia, what they like and will like well into the future 🔮 He knows all values and future dealings in TV rights both in Australia and NZ
Lucky despite such talents, he has devoted his time to this forum and this thread in particular purely out of what he describes as his " civic duty "
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As usual making up stories is your go to. None of it is true but that never stops you.

Gobsmacked said:
If you look at the last 25 years . League in Australia has slowly grown, at the same time Union has slowly gone backwards..
Coincidence?
The money thrown at League stars probably only hurt thier balance sheet and gave League credibility. And after they pinch a star, another one just pops up in their place. League can produce stars easily because of the way the game in structured, everyone has an opportunity to make a heroic play.
Now nobody's genuinely suggesting League will take over in NZ ( at least not in my lifetime) but it can take a fair chunk.
If League gets another team in NZ, it will come at a cost to Union. That's just the reality.
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And the funny thing is, you don't think that is the exact same thing that has happened in NZ Rugby. And you seem to have mellowed your view from "massive blow to NZ rugby''' to "it will come at a cost " and this beauty from "NZ2 will be the next team admitted" to "If League gets another team in NZ, "
 
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Te Kaha said:
Asking why you are posting irrelevant posts is having a meltdown? Well you are the expert on having meltdowns.



Its purely evidence based. Aussie Tv doesn't rate NZ teams because they don't rate on Aussie TV. Having one is bad enough, they wont want a second.
And before Spark TV tried to get the rights Sky Didn't make any great increase on their bd each contract. They wont be bedding anywhere near the last figure again.



As usual making up stories is your go to. None of it is true but that never stops you.




And the funny thing is, you don't think that is the exact same thing that has happened in NZ Rugby. And you seem to have mellowed your view from "massive blow to NZ rugby''' to "it will come at a cost " and this beauty from "NZ2 will be the next team admitted" to "If League gets another team in NZ, "
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There's nuances in my phrasing, those same nuances exist between what I personally believe will happen and what anyone in the general public can expect.
It's a multi faceted discussion that has a multitude of angles in which can be observed, all of which evokes different responses.
Surely a man of the people serving their civic duty can ascertain the adequate acumen for such dialogue.
 
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Gobsmacked said:
There's nuances in my phrasing, those same nuances exist between what I personally believe will happen and what anyone in the general public can expect.
It's a multi faceted discussion that has a multitude of angles in which can be observed, all of which evokes different responses.
Surely a man of the people serving their civic duty can ascertain the adequate acumen for such dialogue.
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That's a lot of words for you to say "My thread was wrong". But I'm glad you have finally come to that realisation.
 
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Gobsmacked said:
League is already dealing blows to NZ RUGBY...
wwos.nine.com.au

Warriors win tug-of-war for teen prodigy

Huge coup in long running war with rugby
wwos.nine.com.au wwos.nine.com.au

So no, definitely not wrong.
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In shock news the warrior's "win" the "battle" for a League junior. In other breaking news, scientists confirm water is wet.

"dealing blows"... geez you are funny.

Of course it goes both ways

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz www.stuff.co.nz


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And I doubt you understood half of them.
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Yeah, but you haven't been right about anything in this thread, so that isn't saying anything.
 
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Gobsmacked said:
If you look at the last 25 years . League in Australia has slowly grown, at the same time Union has slowly gone backwards..
Coincidence?
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People seem to be attracted to the idea that RL and RU's fortunes are entwined, but in this case it is largely unconnected.

If you really dig into why RU is struggling in Australia it's got almost nothing to do with RL or the NRL, at least not directly, and the people benefiting most from RU's struggles are the AFL not NRL.

I'm going to oversimplify because I'd have to write an essay otherwise, but the core of RU's problem in Australia is pretty straightforward; the product simply isn't appealing in a market that is probably the most competitive in the world for contact football codes, and because of traditionalist attitudes in the sport (and frankly a fear of backlash from powerful supporters and other organisations within the sport) they've refused to make the changes necessary to their product to make it competitive in the market.

If you look at what information we have the AFL/Aussie Rules have largely been the beneficiaries of RU's struggles as well. Aussie Rules has slowly been replacing RU in private schools (admittedly for reasons largely outside the NRL's control), people abandoning Super Rugby sides have been picking up e.g. Swans and Lions memberships for the most part, etc, etc. That's not to suggest that there's been some sort of direct attack on RU by the AFL, because I highly doubt that's the case, more that they were just better placed to benefit from RU's struggles because of the historical animosity between the two rugby codes.
 
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The Great Dane said:
He didn't.

Nobody knows who Jones was referring to, and the names being thrown around are purely media speculation. Personally I wouldn't be surprised if that was entirely the point on Eddie's part.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that Eddie and the ARU would love to sign many of the NRL's players if they got the opportunity, but announcing it the way he did came off more as a publicity stunt than part of a genuine thought out plan to poach NRL players.
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I was just going by what the article said, but agree with you re: the publicity stunt aspect.
 
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Gobsmacked said:
If you look at the last 25 years . League in Australia has slowly grown, at the same time Union has slowly gone backwards..
Coincidence?
The money thrown at League stars probably only hurt thier balance sheet and gave League credibility. And after they pinch a star, another one just pops up in their place. League can produce stars easily because of the way the game in structured, everyone has an opportunity to make a heroic play.
Now nobody's genuinely suggesting League will take over in NZ ( at least not in my lifetime) but it can take a fair chunk.
If League gets another team in NZ, it will come at a cost to Union. That's just the reality.
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We’re just repeating ourselves here but if people want to ignore how strong rugby league is today and that’s it’s going to be expanding in the pacific they are delusional

the nrl will soon be a billion dollar a year business meanwhile union in the pacific hasn’t got a brass razoo
 
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Wb1234 said:

TikTok - Make Your Day

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here’s an honest union fen talking about the collapse of super rugby
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I'd love to meet that guy's dealer, because whatever he's taking seems like it'd be fun.

Almost all of that is infeasible and would likely bankrupt Super Rugby if they attempted it. Townsville, Samoa, Tonga, "Asia Pacific" (whatever the f**k that means), and Adelaide before a second Sydney team LMFAO.

I love the bit about NQ being passionate about their RL and how they can make them passionate about RU, like it's just as easy as that. It demonstrates perfectly just how utterly clueless that bloke is not only about the state of RU in Australia, but Australia in general.
 
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I'd love to meet that guy's dealer, because whatever he's taking seems like it'd be fun.

Almost all of that is infeasible and would likely bankrupt Super Rugby if they attempted it. Townsville, Samoa, Tonga, "Asia Pacific" (whatever the f**k that means), and Adelaide before a second Sydney team LMFAO.

I love the bit about NQ being passionate about their RL and how they can make them passionate about RU, like it's just as easy as that. It demonstrates perfectly just how utterly clueless that bloke is not only about the state of RU in Australia, but Australia in general.
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Yeh his ideas are dumb

it was more so his comments that super rugby is broken (and it looks like he’s a kiwi union fan)
 
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Wb1234 said:

TikTok - Make Your Day

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here’s an honest union fen talking about the collapse of super rugby
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Is it just me or are all Union fans completely delusional 🤦‍♂️
What an idiot.
Certainly highlights the lack of opportunities for Super Rugby.
The Pacific nations in Super rugby are their biggest weakness. They'll perform worse and worse over the years and they'll rate terribly no matter who they play.
The best thing they could do is just have the same Australia and kiwi teams and hope they can build a bigger following over time.
 
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