New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Perth Red]

I think if the rugby league World Cup is very competitive the broadcaster rights will be worth more to whoever is hosting it

thanks for the reply

Based on what evidence?
You might have missed it but australia just won it again without breaking a sweat.

 

[Marlins]

No it wont, why would it? You think Samoa tv are going to pay millions to cover it because samoa are now competitive? Lol.

Samoa tv might not but what about the millions who live abroad tuning in? or the ones who’ll travel to the host country for the RLWC?

 

[Perth Red]

Samoa tv might not but what about the millions who live abroad tuning in? or the ones who’ll travel to the host country for the RLWC?

You think Fijians and Samoans are going to travel to other countries to watch the RLWC in large numbers if rl becomes more popualr in their nations? Streeeeeeetch.

 

[Te Kaha]

You know the cost of living is lower in nz and their currency is worth less than ours

And this right here, is proof positive that the Australians in this thread know absolutely nothing about NZ.

 

[The Great Dane]

It's not so much about the Pacific.
New Zealand have been producing the best Rugby Union players since forever, the All blacks brand is a global one. They pull big crowds anywhere they go. So easily recognised.
International Rugby union is the pinnacle and the All blacks are the pinnacle of that.
The All blacks Jersey is the most prestigious in all forms of Rugby around the world.
So what happens when regularly Kiwis beat the Kangaroos and that rivalry becomes like SOO ?
What happens when all the best Rugby players are playing league in NZ and the NRL?
If the best Rugby game you can watch in the world no longer is the All blacks but the Kiwis?

Make no mistake about it, this is the biggest and most important battle between the codes on the international front and Rugby league is winning it, it's a long way away but it's happening.

The only reason the All Blacks have the prestige they have is because of their dominance on the pitch. There're roughly half a dozen nations poised and ready to take their place as the next big rugby nation, most of which would be more lucrative for WR and RU in general than having a relatively small and isolated nation of 4 mil as the top dog.

Besides, this is a tangent from the discussion at hand, as the initial goal expressed was to take the PI's, which in this context meant Samoa, Tonga, Fiji, etc. Achieving that goal would necessitate basically every heritage player eligible for one of the PI's to pick them over AUS or NZ, even when, if we're being honest, they really should be representing AUS and NZ (i.e. 95%+ of the current Samoan and Tongan teams lol).

As we've seen in recent times, that will weaken the Kangaroos and Kiwi's, not strengthen them, and that will eventually have knock-on effects in AUS and NZ, which we should be concerned about because whether we like it or not the RL world revolves around the NRL as the only stable professional league. ATM, if the NRL is weakened or dies, then RL is screwed the world over.

It's why the sport should be focused on trying to get more sustainable professional club competitions popping up around the world, instead of trying to hoard as much talent as possible in the NRL and playing smoke and mirrors games to pretend that RL is bigger and more successful than it actually is internationally. But, again, that's easier said than done, and I digress.

Another big powerhouse is England and if you haven't noticed Rugby League just had a very successful WC there, the Super League looks in good shape and at the same time Rugby Union just lost 2 long standing clubs with others on the brink.

LOL, no.

RU's position in England not withstanding (their troubles have nothing to do with RL, and won't benefit RL in any way), RL in England is on it's knees, and anybody who tells you otherwise is a liar.

Could the Super League grow into a strong national competition; sure, if a strong administration with a willingness to make the sacrifices necessary takes over, and who knows, maybe IMG are the people who achieve that. Will that happen anytime soon; probably not.

But all that aside. The NRL are growing, the revenue is growing , the number of teams are growing. We will soon enough be in a position where NRL players are the highest paid Rugby players in the world !
That puts Rugby League as the most prestigious game.

None of that has anything to do with the subject at hand. If anything the NRL has lost money on the PI's proper, not made it.

The WC in soccer is big ( the biggest)
But all the best players are in the premier league.
If Rugby League has the ( premier league) we will end up dominating the world.

That's literally untrue, but I can't really be bothered to be honest...

If you were to look at which leagues the top ten soccer players in the world play in at any one time they'd be split pretty evenly between the major European leagues; the EPL, Ligue 1, LaLiga, etc, etc.

At the moment I think most people would argue that Messi, Mbappe, and Benzema are the top three soccer players in the world, and not one of them has ever played in the EPL.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Not really, the 6 nations and RUWC are. Fta pays double for 6 nations in uk than ch9 pays for nrl.

the point of rl growing in the South Pacific is purely and simply player talent. Theres not much money to be made. The pay off is in talent. We know they are physically suited to the type of game rl is and now dominant playing ranks.

grow the game in the pi and nz and the talent in the nrl grows. That’s why we should be investing in it.

What rubbish. Just comparing fta coupled with a comparisons between an international tournament and NRL is cherry picking on steroid
That's probably the single dumbest argument you've ever made.

And it's not just about talent at all . NZ has 6 million people, of which about 1 million are NRL fans. That accounts for 30 million in the NZ broadcast agreement alone. We could triple that reach to engage with half the population! Which would put it at around 90 million! Add in regular meaningful internationals with NZ and the Pacific Islands.
We're talking hundreds of millions in revenue growth if we do it right. The growth of a legitimate international scene... and the massive revenue that will come with that..
O yeah but Perth

 

[Gobsmacked]

The only reason the All Blacks have the prestige they have is because of their dominance on the pitch. There're roughly half a dozen nations poised and ready to take their place as the next big rugby nation, most of which would be more lucrative for WR and RU in general than having a relatively small and isolated nation of 4 mil as the top dog.

Besides, this is a tangent from the discussion at hand, as the initial goal expressed was to take the PI's, which in this context meant Samoa, Tonga, Fiji, etc. Achieving that goal would necessitate basically every heritage player eligible for one of the PI's to pick them over AUS or NZ, even when, if we're being honest, they really should be representing AUS and NZ (i.e. 95%+ of the current Samoan and Tongan teams lol).

As we've seen in recent times, that will weaken the Kangaroos and Kiwi's, not strengthen them, and that will eventually have knock-on effects in AUS and NZ, which we should be concerned about because whether we like it or not the RL world revolves around the NRL as the only stable professional league. ATM, if the NRL is weakened or dies, then RL is screwed the world over.

It's why the sport should be focused on trying to get more sustainable professional club competitions popping up around the world, instead of trying to hoard as much talent as possible in the NRL and playing smoke and mirrors games to pretend that RL is bigger and more successful than it actually is internationally. But, again, that's easier said than done, and I digress.

LOL, no.

RU's position in England not withstanding (their troubles have nothing to do with RL, and won't benefit RL in any way), RL in England is on it's knees, and anybody who tells you otherwise is a liar.

Could the Super League grow into a strong national competition; sure, if a strong administration with a willingness to make the sacrifices necessary takes over, and who knows, maybe IMG are the people who achieve that. Will that happen anytime soon; probably not.

None of that has anything to do with the subject at hand. If anything the NRL has lost money on the PI's proper, not made it.

That's literally untrue, but I can't really be bothered to be honest...

If you were to look at which leagues the top ten soccer players in the world play in at any one time they'd be split pretty evenly between the major European leagues; the EPL, Ligue 1, LaLiga, etc, etc.

At the moment I think most people would argue that Messi, Mbappe, and Benzema are the top three soccer players in the world, and not one of them has ever played in the EPL.

Bloody hell there's a lot there.
I could pic apart that for days but the reality is a can't be bothered. I remembered why I stopped reading your posts. A massive novel about absolute rubbish.

 

[Wb1234]

Bloody hell there's a lot there.
I could pic apart that for days but the reality is a can't be bothered. I remembered why I stopped reading your posts. A massive novel about absolute rubbish.

Bahahhhaa

plus he’s a brumbies fan first

the fall has been hard

 

[Perth Red]

What rubbish. Just comparing fta coupled with a comparisons between an international tournament and NRL is cherry picking on steroid
That's probably the single dumbest argument you've ever made.

And it's not just about talent at all . NZ has 6 million people, of which about 1 million are NRL fans. That accounts for 30 million in the NZ broadcast agreement alone. We could triple that reach to engage with half the population! Which would put it at around 90 million! Add in regular meaningful internationals with NZ and the Pacific Islands.
We're talking hundreds of millions in revenue growth if we do it right. The growth of a legitimate international scene... and the massive revenue that will come with that..
O yeah but Perth

Wow, if ever someone needed a definition of optimism, or maybe delusion, we could show them this post lol

tjats as dumb as saying if we can just convert afl fans in perth and melbourne to nrl the tv deal will double. Both seem as likely.

 

[The Great Dane]

Bloody hell there's a lot there.
I could pic apart that for days but the reality is a can't be bothered. I remembered why I stopped reading your posts. A massive novel about absolute rubbish.

Not if you're too lazy to even read it. Besides, it wouldn't be that big if you hadn't tried to sneak in a bunch of false premises and nonsense assertions.

There's nothing to pick apart anyway. It's just no nonsense reflection of reality of the standings of each sport. You could respond that the All Blacks are essential to RU's standings in the world, but that's false on face value. I mean Ireland are currently doing a good job of proving that wrong lol.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Samoa tv might not but what about the millions who live abroad tuning in? or the ones who’ll travel to the host country for the RLWC?

The millions of who, overseas PIs? I think you overestimate the size of the PI diaspora, even worldwide it’s not a massive community. Auckland has the largest single concentration of PIs in the world and even that is maybe 200K.

 

[Wb1234]

So half the good teams in the union World Cup are going to go to meh and that’s going to have no effect on the union World Cup because people will watch Ireland

hahahahahaa

this forum comes up with some hilarious takes

 

[The Great Dane]

Bahahhhaa

plus he’s a brumbies fan first

the fall has been hard

I'm not a Brumbies fan, haven't been for 20 years now, and what fall lol.

I've been here and done this before.

I was laughed at in the early 90s when I said that the Tina Turner boom was a flash in the pan that wasn't sustainable and that NSWRL was driving a wedge between the successful national sides and the NSWRL clubs that would lead to calamity.

In early 00s I was laughed at when I said that the standard of play in RU, the ARU, and Super Rugby were setting Australian RU up for failure.

I was laughed at in 2013-15 when I said that WSW's boom period wasn't sustainable because, rightly or wrongly, the mainstream culture wouldn't accept the active supporters groups, and that the FFA and A-league's continued focus on Sydney and Melbourne would have diminishing returns.

I could go on, but I'm sure you get the point; I'm used to being laughed at.

 

[Gobsmacked]

So half the good teams in the union World Cup are going to go to meh and that’s going to have no effect on the union World Cup because people will watch Ireland

hahahahahaa

this forum comes up with some hilarious takes

The 3 biggest nations in RU have traditionally been Australia, NZ and SA
Apparently if arguably the 2 biggest RU nations fall off it means nothing...

 

[Wb1234]

I'm not a Brumbies fan, haven't been for 20 years now, and what fall lol.

I've been here and done this before.

I was laughed at in the early 90s when I said that the Tina Turner boom was a flash in the pan that wasn't sustainable and that NSWRL was driving a wedge between the successful national sides and the NSWRL clubs that would lead to calamity.

In early 00s I was laughed at when I said that the standard of play in RU, the ARU, and Super Rugby were setting Australian RU up for failure.

I was laughed at in 2013-15 when I said that WSW's boom period wasn't sustainable because, rightly or wrongly, the mainstream culture wouldn't accept the active supporters groups, and that the FFA and A-league's continued focus on Sydney and Melbourne would have diminishing returns.

I could go on, but I'm sure you get the point; I'm used to being laughed at.

It’s good your used to it because I get this funny feeling it’s not going yo stop anytime soon

 

[The Great Dane]

So half the good teams in the union World Cup are going to go to meh and that’s going to have no effect on the union World Cup because people will watch Ireland

hahahahahaa

this forum comes up with some hilarious takes

Who are these half the good teams in the RWC?

Seriously name them.

 

[Wb1234]

The 3 biggest nations in RU have traditionally been Australia, NZ and SA
Apparently if arguably the 2 biggest RU nations fall off it means nothing...

Southern hemisphere rugby union will collapse away leaving just South Africa and a much weakened nz

that leaves teams of the Northern hemisphere who. Nobody wants to watch not even their own fans (France excepted they can be ok sometimes)

 

[Wb1234]

Who are these half the good teams in the RWC?

Seriously name them.

Australia (rip)
Nz
Tonga
Samoa
Fiji

 

[SpaceMonkey]

So half the good teams in the union World Cup are going to go to meh and that’s going to have no effect on the union World Cup because people will watch Ireland

hahahahahaa

this forum comes up with some hilarious takes

“Half the good teams”

name them

quarter finals at the last RWC:

England
Australia
NZ
Ireland
Wales
France
Japan
South Africa

I don’t see any of those dropping out of contention

 

[Te Kaha]

RU in general than having a relatively small and isolated nation of 4 mil as the top dog.

NZ has 6 million people, of which about 1 million are NRL fans.

If there is any doubt that the Australians in this thread have no idea about NZ it's these two posts.

For starters, NZ has just past 5.1 million. Not 4 million, not 6 million..

And the NRL has 1 million fans??? That's just pure garbage. Outside of the warriors the average NRL game gets 50K viewers.

The 3 biggest nations in RU have traditionally been Australia, NZ and SA
Apparently if arguably the 2 biggest RU nations fall off it means nothing...

More bullshit, those three have been the most successful, but England and France have bigger Rugby numbers than NZ in participation and viewership.