New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[The Great Dane]

I would.
When has the NRL ever taken an interest in growing the international game?
A Pasifika team would be a direct detriment to the NRL.

We wouldn't be having this discussion at all if the NRL hadn't spent decades growing participation amongst Kiwi and Islander communities in Aus, NZ, and increasingly across the islands themselves.

Creating a "Pasifika" side wouldn't necessitate directly investing into the international game anyway, and odds are that the side would be made up almost exclusively of Australian and Kiwi born and raised players.

 

[Gobsmacked]

In theory they wouldn't care as developing Tongan players is still achieving their mission statement of providing opportunities for Pasifika players and developing them for Pasifika nations.

It'll be more interesting to see how they end up handling dual internationals that decide to represent the All Blacks, Wallabies, etc, over the PI nations that they are eligible for.

True. I think Super Rugby is currently undermining it's own credibility by making it obviously just a developmental comp.
You're basically just watching Tonga train..
Rugby union are burning through cash with these plays. How much is it costing them to run the fiji side? The Pasifika side? The women's teams?
Incredible.

 

[Gobsmacked]

We wouldn't be having this discussion at all if the NRL hadn't spent decades growing participation amongst Kiwi and Islander communities in Aus, NZ, and increasingly across the islands themselves.

Creating a "Pasifika" side wouldn't necessitate directly investing into the international game anyway, and odds are that the side would be made up almost exclusively of Australian and Kiwi born and raised players.

What makes it Pasifika then?

 

[The Great Dane]

What makes it Pasifika then?

The same thing that makes Moana Pasifika a PI's side.

They'd only accept players eligible to represent Island nations. It'd just be an exclusionary club that wouldn't be societally acceptable under any other circumstances.

BTW, the NRL already has a history of racial and ethnic teams with the Indigenous All Stars and Maori All Stars. So it's just wrong to say that "the NRL are never going to have a race based team", because they already do.

 

[Gobsmacked]

The same thing that makes Moana Pasifika a PI's side.

They'd only accept players eligible to represent Island nations. It'd just be an exclusionary club that wouldn't be societally acceptable under any other circumstances.

BTW, the NRL already has a history of racial and ethnic teams with the Indigenous All Stars and Maori All Stars. So it's just wrong to say that "the NRL are never going to have a race based team", because they already do.

Ok. So they're just going to be moderately race based...

Big difference between a showcase event in the off season to suggest there will be a race based nrl club.

It's been fun watching you try to squeeze these into something remotely feezable.. but at the end of the day, it's completely bonkers and possibly even more stupid than spectacularly failing Super Rugby version.

 

[Gobsmacked]

More great Super Rugby news...

Top coaches snub Super Rugby in alarming exodus

As hunt begins for key personnel

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[Wb1234]

More great Super Rugby news...

Top coaches snub Super Rugby in alarming exodus

As hunt begins for key personnel

wwos.nine.com.au

They need to focus on development coaches

 

[The Great Dane]

Ok. So they're just going to be moderately race based...

Big difference between a showcase event in the off season to suggest there will be a race based nrl club.

Not really. The principle is the same.

It's been fun watching you try to squeeze these into something remotely feezable.. but at the end of the day, it's completely bonkers and possibly even more stupid than spectacularly failing Super Rugby version.

Trying to squeeze what into being feasible?

I've been nothing but disparaging of the concept.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Is it time to put Super Rugby rivalry aside and part the Tasman Sea?

Rugby Australia chief Hamish McLennan wonders whether the competition would benefit from our players standing shoulder-to-shoulder with their Kiwi rivals.

amp.smh.com.au

"Rugby isn’t dying, but Super Rugby appears to be – right in front of our eyes."

"Super Rugby is bordering on irreversible irrelevance. "

kinda what we've been saying...
NZ2 - The death blow!

 

[Wb1234]

Is it time to put Super Rugby rivalry aside and part the Tasman Sea?

Rugby Australia chief Hamish McLennan wonders whether the competition would benefit from our players standing shoulder-to-shoulder with their Kiwi rivals.

amp.smh.com.au

"Rugby isn’t dying, but Super Rugby appears to be – right in front of our eyes."

"Super Rugby is bordering on irreversible irrelevance. "

kinda what we've been saying...
NZ2 - The death blow!

Between the nrl and French and Japanese union super rugby is going to be continually raided

eventually the kiwis will admit defeat and pick overseas players for the all blacks

the smart move would be to link with Japan and cut down the number of Australian sides back to 3

Japan has the money to carry them

 

[Gobsmacked]

Between the nrl and French and Japanese union super rugby is going to be continually raided

eventually the kiwis will admit defeat and pick overseas players for the all blacks

the smart move would be to link with Japan and cut down the number of Australian sides back to 3

Japan has the money to carry them

What I think has killed it is the lack of consistency ( same clubs playing) and it being a sacrifice to International games ( players being rested and no freedom of movement between countries and clubs) then there's the NRL taking the best young emerging talent putting the Australian sides in a talent shortage( too many clubs also)
Then there's the tv coverage which is Stan ( can't remember if I've ever been in a bar where stan was on TV)
And after all that...its an inferior game for a thousand reasons to both League and AFL .

There's no saving Super Rugby. It's done. We need to move into the NZ market to make a swift kill.
1 game a year should be taken to Fiji and 1 to PNG .
It's time to take the Pacific.

 

[The Penguin #6.]

More good news coming out of super (lol) rugby:

Warriors home crowds this year: 18595, 23695 & 20395. At the same time in last weekend`s super rugby match between the second and third placed Hurricanes and Brumbies drew 8700 spectators.
Can you imagine the crowd the Warriors` would draw at Mt. Smart if they were placed 2nd or 3rd three quarters of the way through the season and they played a similarly placed team. You wouldn`t be able to buy a ticket.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

All threads started by @Gobsmacked belong in the NRL Cave.

 

[Wb1234]

What I think has killed it is the lack of consistency ( same clubs playing) and it being a sacrifice to International games ( players being rested and no freedom of movement between countries and clubs) then there's the NRL taking the best young emerging talent putting the Australian sides in a talent shortage( too many clubs also)
Then there's the tv coverage which is Stan ( can't remember if I've ever been in a bar where stan was on TV)
And after all that...its an inferior game for a thousand reasons to both League and AFL .

There's no saving Super Rugby. It's done. We need to move into the NZ market to make a swift kill.
1 game a year should be taken to Fiji and 1 to PNG .
It's time to take the Pacific.

They had a good run from 95 to 2010

league was weak and they only had three sides who were competitive

five weakened all the teams

kicking out South Africa was madness

as bad as super league kicking out Toronto so it’s not just rugby league that does stupid things

 

[Gobsmacked]

They had a good run from 95 to 2010

league was weak and they only had three sides who were competitive

five weakened all the teams

kicking out South Africa was madness

as bad as super league kicking out Toronto so it’s not just rugby league that does stupid things

I posted a link in the North America thread about Toronto. They are starting the Canadian Cup inviting sides from USA and Canada.

 

[Te Kaha]

Is it time to put Super Rugby rivalry aside and part the Tasman Sea?

Rugby Australia chief Hamish McLennan wonders whether the competition would benefit from our players standing shoulder-to-shoulder with their Kiwi rivals.

amp.smh.com.au

"Rugby isn’t dying, but Super Rugby appears to be – right in front of our eyes."

"Super Rugby is bordering on irreversible irrelevance. "

kinda what we've been saying...
NZ2 - The death blow!

You still peddling that horsehit? Really? Even after the annual report from NZR showed how little Super Rugby means to NZ Rugby bottom line?

NZR paid RA $8 million as a FIFTY percent share of Super Rugby Revenue... Out of income of 200 million that puts Super Rugby at 8% of the income that NZR gets...

Your original claim was ludicrous to begin with, and since then it has seriously become a moot point.

SkyTV have already stated they are at capacity and without Spark sport for competition their rights bid will be back to previous levels.
The Owner and CEO of the Warriors have stated NZ2 will be a disaster without the funding into junior pathways before hand.
Chalmers mythical $30 million funding has dried up and he has gone quiet, and there is no mention anywhere of ANY other NZ Bid having any financing.

NZ2 has zero chance of happening in the next decade.

 

[Te Kaha]

What I think has killed it is the lack of consistency ( same clubs playing) and it being a sacrifice to International games ( players being rested and no freedom of movement between countries and clubs) then there's the NRL taking the best young emerging talent putting the Australian sides in a talent shortage( too many clubs also)
Then there's the tv coverage which is Stan ( can't remember if I've ever been in a bar where stan was on TV)
And after all that...its an inferior game for a thousand reasons to both League and AFL .

There's no saving Super Rugby. It's done. We need to move into the NZ market to make a swift kill.
1 game a year should be taken to Fiji and 1 to PNG .
It's time to take the Pacific.

And now here is the REAL kicker to show that you REALLY do not know what you are talking about...

"Stuff understands that Super Rugby Pacific broadcast numbers in New Zealand are actually higher year-on-year, although without a voice to speak for the competition no one would know it."

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

 

[Wb1234]

 

[taste2taste]

How do you allow yourself to get in that much dept ?
Is World Rugby going to bail them out ? Assuming they have any money left after the class action against them....

 

[Wb1234]

How do you allow yourself to get in that much dept ?
Is World Rugby going to bail them out ? Assuming they have any money left after the class action against them....

They received a parliamentary censure for taking covid loans and not being able to pay them back

they will just sell off more equity to private investors to cover the shortfall