New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[titoelcolombiano]

Firstly, neither myself or PR ever questioned whether a second Brisbane side would be sustainable. That's just a lie frankly.

Secondly, I've never seen any evidence of serious widespread demand for a second NRL club in Auckland similar to that that exists for more teams in Brisbane (a problem that a well planned 2nd Bris side could have largely addressed but the Dolphins have exacerbated BTW), nor have the Warriors been anywhere near as successful, let alone sustainable, as the Broncos over their existence.

For sake of argument let's assume that there is some level of demand for another team in Auckland; the fact you can do something doesn't necessarily mean you should, and despite that demand I highly doubt that a second side in Auckland would make more commercial sense in the long term than opening up at least a couple of the larger unrepresented markets in NZ first (particularly Christchurch/South Island and Wellington/Lower Hutt).

In saying all that, I think it's probably only a matter of time before Auckland gets a second NRL side if RL continues to steadily grow in NZ, but it probably won't happen anytime within the foreseeable future unless something totally unpredictable happens.

I didn't say you death ride Brisbane 2, I said you death ride the Dolphins. Even to this day you are clinging on to the fantasy that their hugely successful start will drop away because they were the "wrong choice". Good luck with that.

You aren't travelling too well... wrong about Brisbane, wrong about Canberra and wrong about Auckland

 

[BuffaloRules]

Any chance of the Christchurch consortium working with North Sydney Bears?

Call them "The Bears" and play their games out of Christchurch. Red and black. It's guaranteed to get media support in Sydney. It's safer than starting a club from scratch.

I think the Bears prefer to work with Perth … as they want to play some games in Nth Sydney ..

 

[Wb1234]

I didn't say you death ride Brisbane 2, I said you death ride the Dolphins. Even to this day you are clinging on to the fantasy that their hugely successful start will drop away because they were the "wrong choice". Good luck with that.

You aren't travelling too well... wrong about Brisbane, wrong about Canberra and wrong about Auckland

At least he’s consistent

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I think the Bears prefer to work with Perth … as they want to play some games in Nth Sydney ..

The club would add more value by being based in Christchurch. More games for the 6pm Fri AEST time slot that kick off at 8pm NZST. Great for the NZ broadcasters as that's prime time.

More juniors to choose from, too.

The Warriors struggle to generate ratings in Australia. People from Sydney will be more likely to watch The Bears, based in Christchurch, because they'll have an historical connection to it.

If we want to get to 20 teams ASAP then we need teams 17 and 18 to be viable from the start. If we add "new" teams that don't have any assets to fall back on then expansion will be held back should they fall on hard times.

 

[Gobsmacked]

The club would add more value by being based in Christchurch. More games for the 6pm Fri AEST time slot that kick off at 8pm NZST. Great for the NZ broadcasters as that's prime time.

More juniors to choose from, too.

The Warriors struggle to generate ratings in Australia. People from Sydney will be more likely to watch The Bears, based in Christchurch, because they'll have a historical connection to it.

If we want to get to 20 teams ASAP then we need teams 17 and 18 to be viable from the start. If we add "new" teams that don't have any assets to fall back on then expansion will be held back ifthey fall on hard times.

I agree. We have Rugby league areas without teams, we don't need to go to risky costly places yet.
The Warriors and Christchurch could have the 6pm ( 8pm nz)time every Friday or 2pm ( 4pm nz time) for Sunday afternoon
Prime time nz actually fills unwanted times here and actually adds More than Perth in that regard .

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I agree. We have Rugby league areas without teams, we don't need to go to risky costly places yet.
The Warriors and Christchurch could have the 6pm ( 8pm nz)time every Friday or 2pm ( 4pm nz time) for Sunday afternoon
Prime time nz actually fills unwanted times here and actually adds More than Perth in that regard .

Perth should only be considered for the 20th licence after underserviced areas that actually like the game are consolidated.

The benefits of NZ2 outweigh Perth astronomically. Any local talent produced by a Christchurch-based team has the potential to strengthen the Kiwis and Test football.

Anyone developed by the WARL is ineligible for Origin and has little chance of worming their way into the Australian team. The Queenslanders and New South Welshmen they're competing against are just too battle hardened because they were raised in a more professional system.

Ladbrokes have a video about a potential Perth team. The scene over there is very bare. It's just park football.

I think NZ2 makes sense as the 18th team, provided it's the North Sydney Bears. There's no point leaving viable bids like NS Bears out of the NRL just because there's too many teams in Sydney.

 

[Bukowski]

Lol Ladbrokes are deciding the next club now. Don't forget the iron ore collapse.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Any chance of the Christchurch consortium working with North Sydney Bears?

Call them "The Bears" and play their games out of Christchurch. Red and black. It's guaranteed to get media support in Sydney. It's safer than starting a club from scratch.

Could work, the sticking point would be how many games the bears want in north Sydney, cause that’ll be part of the deal.
I’d say 1 2 per season depending on whether they’d already lost a home game to magic round.

 

[Bukowski]

Could work, the sticking point would be how many games the bears want in north Sydney, cause that’ll be part of the deal.
I’d say 1 2 per season depending on whether they’d already lost a home game to magic round.

Feels like another WestsTigers to me. Does anyone in nz want to go with the bears? I question the validity of the club if it needs norths.

 

[Chief_Chujo]

NZ2 should be its own thing with no ties to old Australian clubs.

 

[Matiunz]

Feels like another WestsTigers to me. Does anyone in nz want to go with the bears? I question the validity of the club if it needs norths.

Think it’s unlikely NZ Will accept a transplanted Australian club, they’d want their own brand. He’ll even central coast didn’t accepted them in with the merger

 

[Bukowski]

Think it’s unlikely NZ Will accept a transplanted Australian club, they’d want their own brand. He’ll even central coast didn’t accepted them in with the merger

That's my thinking too. A new club is a much easier sell to the people of the area your expanding into.

 

[Brian potter]

Why does anyone do that in any city with any sport? Because they are attracted to a growing sport? Because they for whatever reason have an affinity with the new club? Because the club has a run of success and they jump on the bandwagon... t are many reasons. Our sport is capable of growing you know

If the Auckland public want to be attracted to a professional RL team then they'll head on down to Mount smart to follow the warriors like so many new or bandwagon fans have done so this season.

All another Auckland based NRL team would do is dilute the market which is currently experiencing a surge thanks to the success of the warriors.

As for RL being capable of growing I couldn't agree with you more and that's why the game should target new markets in new Zealand like Christchurch(South Island), Wellington and even Hamilton over a city\region that is already represented(Auckland).

 

[Perth Red]

Is there any reason a rugby league fan in Auckland would t be supporting the warriors? I can jd errand it in brisbane where many didnt like the new ltd broncos but is there any reason warriors are not liked by 20k+ rugby league fans in Auckland?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Think it’s unlikely NZ Will accept a transplanted Australian club, they’d want their own brand. He’ll even central coast didn’t accepted them in with the merger

I can understand the NZ public wanting a team of their own.

With all the talk centred around PNG-Pasifika, the only thing I can see displacing them as the preferred team for the 18th licence is a resurrection of The Bears in Christchurch. They could go to Perth, but if they're in Christchurch then they can achieve so much more and appeal to more parties.

 

[Brian potter]

Is there any reason a rugby league fan in Auckland would t be supporting the warriors? I can jd errand it in brisbane where many didnt like the new ltd broncos but is there any reason warriors are not liked by 20k+ rugby league fans in Auckland?

Can’t think of any unless the Auckland blues Suddenly decided to switch codes from super rugby to the NRL.

 

[MugaB]

Feels like another WestsTigers to me. Does anyone in nz want to go with the bears? I question the validity of the club if it needs norths.

Cough cough perf

 

[MugaB]

Think it’s unlikely NZ Will accept a transplanted Australian club, they’d want their own brand. He’ll even central coast didn’t accepted them in with the merger

That was the eagles, had the bears been up in the CC area as planed theyd probably still be here today... everybody hates the Eagles

 

[Bukowski]

Cough cough perf

Indeed.

 

[Pneuma]

NZ2 should be its own thing with no ties to old Australian clubs.

Interesting concept that you’d place a failed club from one country as an expansion club in another country. In fact it’s incredibly stupid. Thus you are correct.