New Zealand v West Indies, 1st Test, Dunedin

[JJ]

Pretty funny really

1. We've had a star NZ player ruled out on the eve of a test
2. We've had NZ threaten to dominate, but not quite manage it
3. We've had half our middle order self destruct
4. We've lost a day to rain

All we're missing is a mind numbing collapse in the second innings, and we've got all the ingredients for a typical NZ home performance inthe last few years!

 

[edabomb]

Pretty funny really

1. We've had a star NZ player ruled out on the eve of a test
2. We've had NZ threaten to dominate, but not quite manage it
3. We've had half our middle order self destruct
4. We've lost a day to rain

All we're missing is a mind numbing collapse in the second innings, and we've got all the ingredients for a typical NZ home performance inthe last few years!

Good call. There is one difference to this from the normal overseas test - Vettori getting 1 for 150 in the second innings with a game in the balance :lol:

 

[byrne_rovelli_fan82]

...and there's no Australia involved

 

[Beavers Headgear]

Give him a blow job why don't you...

He's not close in talent to Martin Crowe - talent includes things like discipline etc... yes he does have great hand eye coordination, no he shouldn't be dropped, but he needs to be given the hard word to be frank.

And to be blunt, who gives a sh*t what he did as a schoolboy - if that's the criteria get Kane Williamson in the team now!

Taylor is technically flawed his footwork is largely non-existent, and the propensity to slog anything and everything to the legside is laughable - again, I couldn't give a sh*t how many times he puts them in the stand, the ratio of outs to sixes is not worth the risk.

There is growing evidence that he's too thick to learn, and when he has time to think about things he makes basic mistakes... Matthew Sinclair had wonderful hand eye coordination too... so have many others that have not made the move to the higher level - to me for all the praise Taylor's getting from sychophants like you, Flynn has actually got a better game for this level - although very early to be sure of that

How many perfect batsman have you seen at 24 years old ?

Something to think about

After 12 tests matches

MD Crowe, 384 runs, Ave 20.21, 1 century
LRPL Taylor, 812 runs, Ave 35.3, 2 centuries

 

[TheParraboy]

play starting 30min early on the last 3 days of the test to try and make up some time
Is there any reason why they cant start 1 hour earlier?
making up 90 mins when youve lost a whole day???

 

[Fast Eddie]

They can easily make most of the day up by starting at 10.30 each day.

 

[kingdamo]

Why are they starting so late anyways? Would be so much better at 10:30.

 

[Iafeta]

Give him a blow job why don't you...

He's not close in talent to Martin Crowe - talent includes things like discipline etc... yes he does have great hand eye coordination, no he shouldn't be dropped, but he needs to be given the hard word to be frank.

And to be blunt, who gives a sh*t what he did as a schoolboy - if that's the criteria get Kane Williamson in the team now!

Taylor is technically flawed his footwork is largely non-existent, and the propensity to slog anything and everything to the legside is laughable - again, I couldn't give a sh*t how many times he puts them in the stand, the ratio of outs to sixes is not worth the risk.

There is growing evidence that he's too thick to learn, and when he has time to think about things he makes basic mistakes... Matthew Sinclair had wonderful hand eye coordination too... so have many others that have not made the move to the higher level - to me for all the praise Taylor's getting from sychophants like you, Flynn has actually got a better game for this level - although very early to be sure of that

Knickers in a knot much? Get over yourself.

How would you know how disciplined a cricketer is? Do you go to their net sessions? Have you played with or against them? No you're just another armchair nuffy. Go back to getting b!tchslapped by El Diablo and let the grown ups talk for a while.

 

[Iafeta]

But how do u explain these kinds of shots? Is it the pressure that he hasn`t yet learned to handle? In all his time in ODI`s or test cricket, I have never seen any decent footwork from him, and that`s why his offside driving is so poor and he persists with these slog sweeps. These shots have no place in test cricket, at least not when your team is only just past 100.

He's been consistently in the national team for what, two years? He is still a work in progress. In that short space of time, admittedly with a load of retirements, he is New Zealand's # 1 bat. Some players can cope with minimalistic footwork - Mark Waugh is one, Damien Martyn was another.

His offside driving is not poor, he puts balls regularly through cover point. It's when he tries to take the ball outside off stick and put them into the midwicket bleachers where he has a control issue.

 

[Iafeta]

How many perfect batsman have you seen at 24 years old ?

Something to think about

After 12 tests matches

MD Crowe, 384 runs, Ave 20.21, 1 century
LRPL Taylor, 812 runs, Ave 35.3, 2 centuries

Correct, although to be fair, I'd much rather have faced the attacks Ross has got to face than Crowe got to face. Crowe got Lillee and Thompson in full flight. Much the same as Ken Rutherford in the fact he also got the West Indian firebrands over there.

The true strength of Ross Taylor will be the next 10-15 test matches. Hopefully the side sweep heave ho's go from his test cricket game and he begins to deliver on the potential. He's made a promising start, by New Zealand standards a very strong start, but he at a young age now is forced along with Ryder and Flynn to try and form a cohesive middle order from scratch and he's got accept that responsibility.

 

[attila_the_gorilla]

His offside driving is not poor, he puts balls regularly through cover point. It's when he tries to take the ball outside off stick and put them into the midwicket bleachers where he has a control issue.

The reason he tries to go with these slog sweeps is exactly because he knows he has no cover drive. Even a lofted cover drive would be a much better option, if he really must go in the air. Of course that would require a lot more skill.

 

[Iafeta]

Bullsh!t he has no cover drive. He put one away yesterday just as an example.

Next mythical theory? Maybe next he doesn't have an off drive either?

 

[hineyrulz]

Taylor is easily your best bat ATM, he reminds me a bit of M Waugh. I suppose a lot is expected of him but you can't drop a bloke of his abilty. Maybe that is his problem, he seems a cruisy sort of character.....

 

[Beavers Headgear]

The reason he tries to go with these slog sweeps is exactly because he knows he has no cover drive. Even a lofted cover drive would be a much better option, if he really must go in the air. Of course that would require a lot more skill.

Did you only see the ball that got him out yesterday ? He played a cover drive for 4, all along the ground, that you would not see bettered by any player, it was perfect. 1 of the commentators even made the point that the shot was as good as any you will see, and if he gets more confidence in his ability to play that shot he will quickly become a world class batsman

 

[Beavers Headgear]

I was just thinking about what our team would look like if it was picked on forum opinions and media stories

Going through the 11, the only 2 blokes that would survive would be Vettori and Franklin, and even his spin bowling is questioned on here quite regularly.

 

[JB]

I was just thinking about what our team would look like if it was picked on forum opinions and media stories

Going through the 11, the only 2 blokes that would survive would be Vettori and Franklin, and even his spin bowling is questioned on here quite regularly.

Yeah, that one amuses me quite a bit. Like NZ produce world class spinners by the dozen, or there's plenty to replace him with if you did get rid of him.

I'd be interested to see Attila's team, as he'd get rid of both Oram and Taylor. One, the Kiwi's best statistical batsman (before yesterday), and the other (the occasional brain snap excepted) argueably their best batsman altogether. I guess the Parlane brothers can expect a call up.

 

[attila_the_gorilla]

I'm not saying we have stocks of great player waiting to be called up, but that is exactly why we need to make the most of what we have. And that is exactly why quick hands and slogging talent alone simply don't cut it. Taylor needs to be taught a lesson, even if it means dropping him for a game or two. I don't expect him to cover drive like Tendulkar, Hussey or even our Daniel Flynn, but then at least he could leave those balls alone in tests. The fact that commentators get so caught up when he plays a half-decent cover drive is because he does it so rarely and it tends to be more a slash than a drive, with an angled bat, head and shoulder nowhere near the line of the ball.

It's a shame that Jacon Oram can command a spot in the test team, when he's no threat with the ball and looks so awful with the bat. It's a miracle how well he's done with what he has, I have to give him that. But he's got no potential for more. Guys like Flynn, Ryder, James Franklin and to a lesser extent even McCullum have the potential to be great test batsmen for NZ. I find it very hard to imagine great success for Taylor, but I'll be more than happy to eat my words if he finds his way.

 

[Manu Vatuvei]

I'm not saying we have stocks of great player waiting to be called up, but that is exactly why we need to make the most of what we have. And that is exactly why quick hands and slogging talent alone simply don't cut it. Taylor needs to be taught a lesson, even if it means dropping him for a game or two. I don't expect him to cover drive like Tendulkar, Hussey or even our Daniel Flynn, but then at least he could leave those balls alone in tests. The fact that commentators get so caught up when he plays a half-decent cover drive is because he does it so rarely and it tends to be more a slash than a drive, with an angled bat, head and shoulder nowhere near the line of the ball.

It's a shame that Jacon Oram can command a spot in the test team, when he's no threat with the ball and looks so awful with the bat. It's a miracle how well he's done with what he has, I have to give him that. But he's got no potential for more. Guys like Flynn, Ryder, James Franklin and to a lesser extent even McCullum have the potential to be great test batsmen for NZ. I find it very hard to imagine great success for Taylor, but I'll be more than happy to eat my words if he finds his way.

One of the most bizarre posts ever

 

[African Monkey]

Saying that Jacob Oram is sh*t says it all really.

 

[JJ]

Knickers in a knot much? Get over yourself.

How would you know how disciplined a cricketer is? Do you go to their net sessions? Have you played with or against them? No you're just another armchair nuffy. Go back to getting b!tchslapped by El Diablo and let the grown ups talk for a while.

You're just being a dick now...

Clearly I was talking about his discipline at the crease - and clearly apart from a few innings it's lacking. He's often dismissed playing attrocious shots, and he often plays attrocious shots, which sometimes end in the stand, and sometimes he just misses

I'm no different to you, I played with and against guys that went on to play first class and international cricket- I just don't wank on about it in these forums