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Non Footy Chat Thread II

Gronk

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Twizzle said:
You cant apply for jobs that dont exist. Might be different in Sydney, but if there are no jobs advertised there is nothing to apply for.
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Some welfare recipients have not had a job for 5, 10, 15 years. You cannot tell me that notwithstanding every effort of re-training themselves for the job market, that they have been unable to secure even part time employment.

No jobs = urban myth.
 
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Gronk said:
Some welfare recipients have not had a job for 5, 10, 15 years. You cannot tell me that notwithstanding every effort of re-training themselves for the job market, that they have been unable to secure even part time employment.

No jobs = urban myth.
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in your world maybe

if you were an employer, would you employ some one who hasn't worked for 10 years if say 100 people applied for a vacancy

thats what happens up here

you sound like Hockey, if you want a better house, get a better job, you obviously have no idea what unemployment levels are like in rural areas
 
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Gronk said:
Some welfare recipients have not had a job for 5, 10, 15 years. You cannot tell me that notwithstanding every effort of re-training themselves for the job market, that they have been unable to secure even part time employment.

No jobs = urban myth.
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It's not an urban myth. It's very dependant on where you live, as is the kind of work you need.

My missus is a nurse, probably the most employable career path in Australia. We looked at moving down the south coast before I bought my place in Canberra but there was no work for her. No work for a nurse!

I can't get into the public service despite having a degree. Constantly get call backs that say "we went with the bloke who has ten years service and was made redundant in cut backs instead of you but you were close". Or they go for the guy with the more relevant degree, which is why I went back to uni tbh.

Now, I could have definitely have lived on part time work down the south coast. Living is cheap enough. There is no way in f**k I could live on part time work in Canberra if I wasn't renting a room out and didn't have the money saved that I have.

Extend that to people with no education, no trade, no recent work skills or history. How the hell are they supposed to get a job that allows them to live at decent standard in Canberra?
 
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Bazal said:
It's not an urban myth. It's very dependant on where you live, as is the kind of work you need.

My missus is a nurse, probably the most employable career path in Australia. We looked at moving down the south coast before I bought my place in Canberra but there was no work for her. No work for a nurse!

I can't get into the public service despite having a degree. Constantly get call backs that say "we went with the bloke who has ten years service and was made redundant in cut backs instead of you but you were close". Or they go for the guy with the more relevant degree, which is why I went back to uni tbh.

Now, I could have definitely have lived on part time work down the south coast. Living is cheap enough. There is no way in f**k I could live on part time work in Canberra if I wasn't renting a room out and didn't have the money saved that I have.

Extend that to people with no education, no trade, no recent work skills or history. How the hell are they supposed to get a job that allows them to live at decent standard in Canberra?
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I am sorry for your situation, but you did not actually reply to what was the crux of my post.

"Some welfare recipients have not had a job for 5, 10, 15 years. You cannot tell me that notwithstanding every effort of re-training themselves for the job market, that they have been unable to secure even part time employment."

Do you think that it is realistic that a 10-15 year long term job seeker has made every effort to secure a gig, yet come up empty handed ?

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http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-...ia-and-where-its-highest-20160826-gr1o3z.html
 
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I am sorry for your situation, but you did not actually reply to what was the crux of my post.

"Some welfare recipients have not had a job for 5, 10, 15 years. You cannot tell me that notwithstanding every effort of re-training themselves for the job market, that they have been unable to secure even part time employment."

Do you think that it is realistic that a 10-15 year long term job seeker has made every effort to secure a gig, yet come up empty handed ?

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http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-...ia-and-where-its-highest-20160826-gr1o3z.html
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In certain situations, yes, and in certain situations no. My situation is irritating, but it's hardly life threatening. I own a house and I can use that to generate income while I study. The point I was making wasn't woe is me. There are many factors that go into whether jobs are available or not. You can't just tar everyone with the same brush.

Look at that graphic. Look at the unemployment rates. A majority of the higher unemployment rates are regional areas or traditionally low skill, low education, low income areas where there isn't a lot of readily available work.

I still sell alcohol for a living while I knock over the other degree. Some of the dole bludgers I have to deal with I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire. They're unemployable, for a myriad of reasons. Others simply cannot get work. There's one lad every few weeks drops his resume in. We'd never hire him even if we had work going, and he must have the same issue everywhere else because it's pretty much on the month he's back doing the circuit. He's trying his guts out, but he's near on unemployable.

The other point is that there will almost always be a more qualified option the longer you've been out of work. Someone with recent experience, more recent studies. That counts for a lot, and like it or not employers will take "has been employed recently" over "has been on welfare for the past 10 years" nine times out of ten.

It is not as simple as saying that long term welfare recipients haven't done all they can to find a job.
 
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Twizzle said:
Firstly, its the govt's money, not the tax payers, it used to be the tax payers till they paid it to the govt
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OK, so it came from taxpayers. On that we agree. Not unreasonable then for them to be interested in how it is ultimately used.

And when the govt give it to the people, its their to do what ever they like with it
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Nope. I don't think that cuts the pistachios any more. Lots of people want to see more done to ensure that those on welfare, spend it sensibly.

Telling welfare recipients what to do with their money is something Kim Jong Un would do.
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We are talking about instances where welfare is actually provided. People are getting money.

Why then isn't it prudent to ensure that the welfare actually contributes to improving the lives of those that depend on it? Welfare is given out with the understanding that it will assist people in returning to the workforce where possible.

With that established let's now consider what welfare most poor f**kers in North Korea get. I don't even understand the comparison to a country with incredible poverty and corruption. A country that lets a large portion of their population starve to death.

How is ensuring that the use of welfare payments is effective and not subject to abuse akin to anything that North Korea does?
 
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Bazal said:
I still sell alcohol for a living while I knock over the other degree. Some of the dole bludgers I have to deal with I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire. They're unemployable, for a myriad of reasons. Others simply cannot get work. There's one lad every few weeks drops his resume in. We'd never hire him even if we had work going, and he must have the same issue everywhere else because it's pretty much on the month he's back doing the circuit. He's trying his guts out, but he's near on unemployable.
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Next time RazorRamOn drops in make sure you tell him you enjoy his contributions on the forum....
 
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Gary Gutful said:
OK, so it came from taxpayers. On that we agree. Not unreasonable then for them to be interested in how it is ultimately used.



Nope. I don't think that cuts the pistachios any more. Lots of people want to see more done to ensure that those on welfare, spend it sensibly.



We are talking about instances where welfare is actually provided. People are getting money.

Why then isn't it prudent to ensure that the welfare actually contributes to improving the lives of those that depend on it? Welfare is given out with the understanding that it will assist people in returning to the workforce where possible.

With that established let's now consider what welfare most poor f**kers in North Korea get. I don't even understand the comparison to a country with incredible poverty and corruption. A country that lets a large portion of their population starve to death.

How is ensuring that the use of welfare payments is effective and not subject to abuse akin to anything that North Korea does?
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When you compare it to a country like North Korea it gets more attention.

It's still a stupid and utterly ridiculous comparison though........
 
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Next time RazorRamOn drops in make sure you tell him you enjoy his contributions on the forum....
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Well I wasn't going to name names, but now that people might get the wrong idea, it's actually chiefy.

I'm sure you can see why he's unemployable now.
 
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Twizzle said:
yeh true but I'm talking about those who spend their money on rent and and food and the rest on recreational drugs

if they blow the lot on drugs be that nicotine, alcohol or recreational drugs then they have a lifestyle problem
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If that's the case they are getting paid too much welfare. Mow your neighbours grass to support your inclination to purchase recreational drugs. Welfare should be limited to the amount required for basic necessities.
 
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Here's one from left field. Why does the government not pay for welfare recipients to got to CIT? Not talking free uni here, but why not have a scheme where the government pays for a certification in hospitality or tourism or whatever? Or is that a thing? I've thankfully never been on welfare so I dunno.

Because just telling folks on welfare to look for jobs and report back doesn't work, and welfare doesn't cover the costs of CIT....you need to get people more qualified.

EDIT-I just realised that to everyone else CIT is TAFE.
 
Gronk

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Bazal said:
Here's one from left field. Why does the government not pay for welfare recipients to got to CIT? Not talking free uni here, but why not have a scheme where the government pays for a certification in hospitality or tourism or whatever? Or is that a thing? I've thankfully never been on welfare so I dunno.

Because just telling folks on welfare to look for jobs and report back doesn't work, and welfare doesn't cover the costs of CIT....you need to get people more qualified.

EDIT-I just realised that to everyone else CIT is TAFE.
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The government sponsors zillions of (outsourced) programs for people who need their hand held to get back into the workforce.

http://sarinarusso.com/jobseekers/sarina-russo-job-access/
 
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