Non Footy Chat Thread II

[hindy111]

My point is it was accepted then. I seen apprentices tied up and put in dresses and lippy put on them....
Did Don rape them? Grab their bits? Or was it simply sexual humour That in the 90s was kind of accepted.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I agree, but what if the allegations aren't true (which is highly unlikely in this case)? We have then just stuffed Burkes reputation, with no avenue to fix it!!

We just need to be careful!!

What do you mean 'we'? How do you propose we change a well established societal trend?

I say f**k Burke. He lives by the sword, he dies by it. He has benefited enormously from the same media and used it to create a persona which from all reports is considerably different to who he actually is.

It is the poor nobody that unwittingly gets caught in some trial or case that becomes public that I worry about. Celebrities are big enough and ugly enough to look out for themselves.

 

[hindy111]

What world do you live in piss boy?

Everyone is judged. Hell, I suspect several people mumbled some bad words under their breath about the impeccably dressed posh merkin tapping away on his iPhone.

If you don't want to be judged, move to Russia.

With the money I made off bitcoin maybe I will.....

 

[Gary Gutful]

My point is it was accepted then. I seen apprentices tied up and put in dresses and lippy put on them....
Did Don rape them? Grab their bits? Or was it simply sexual humour That in the 90s was kind of accepted.

The allegations are there for everyone to read.

 

[Gronk]

Maybe Don used sexual humour that was seen as appropiate in the early 90s and maybe was accepted. But fast forward 20yrs and it now isn't. Not making excuses but things that happend to apprentices back then. Imagine being able to go back and sue for emotional damages.

I remember going to 3 stores for a roll of f**king fallopian tubes.

A researcher (now living in USA) has a book signed by him that refers to her by the nickname of "The Body". He often used sexual innuendo and used to snap her bra strap. One day he asked her to research how animals f**k and made her watch a bestiality video of a woman and a horse with him.

Watch 7:30 Report online here --> http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/women-claim-don-burke-sexually-harassed-them/9198730

 

[hindy111]

What do you mean 'we'? How do you propose we change a well established societal trend?

I say f**k Burke. He lives by the sword, he dies by it. He has benefited enormously from the same media and used it to create a persona which from all reports is considerably different to who he actually is.

It is the poor nobody that unwittingly gets caught in some trial or case that becomes public that I worry about. Celebrities are big enough and ugly enough to look out for themselves.

What did he do Exactly?

I used to get strapped at school, abused as an apprentice. Who do I point the finger at?

I accept that was accepted in those times and glad it isn't now even though it was messed up at the time.

I know a guy who was 16. They stripped him nude and covered him in grease. Poor guy who had been a victim of sexual abuse thought they where all going to rape him.
They then covered him in saw dust. My dad copped it too. He laughs about it. Found it funny.

 

[hindy111]

The allegations are there for everyone to read.

Maybe the animals mating was part of the show and it was Don wierd humour.
I had a boss who would always show me foul porn. It made me sick. Putting eels in womens fannies.
I am not syaing what he did was right but it was in a time where heaps of people did things that cant do now.

All bosses had power and many abused it.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

What do you mean 'we'? How do you propose we change a well established societal trend?

I say f**k Burke. He lives by the sword, he dies by it. He has benefited enormously from the same media and used it to create a persona which from all reports is considerably different to who he actually is.

It is the poor nobody that unwittingly gets caught in some trial or case that becomes public that I worry about. Celebrities are big enough and ugly enough to look out for themselves.

In "we" I mean "society". And I wasn't just meaning "Burke" but anyone caught up / reported on by the media in this current climate of historic sexual harassment being reported on by the media.

I was just making an observation/thought bubble, that in general moving to a "trial by media" can be a dangerous path to go down!!

BTW I don't condone sexual harassment or bullying in anyway or any of the stuff Burke appears to have done!! I hate it!!

 

[Gary Gutful]

Maybe the animals mating was part of the show and it was Don wierd humour.
I had a boss who would always show me foul porn. It made me sick. Putting eels in womens fannies.
I am not syaing what he did was right but it was in a time where heaps of people did things that cant do now.

All bosses had power and many abused it.

You are right. Standards were different back then.

 

[Gary Gutful]

In "we" I mean "society". And I wasn't just meaning "Burke" but anyone caught up / reported on by the media in this current climate of historic sexual harassment being reported on by the media.

I was just making an observation/thought bubble, that in general moving to a "trial by media" can be a dangerous path to go down!!

BTW I don't condone sexual harassment or bullying in anyway or any of the stuff Burke appears to have done!! I hate it!!

True, but its a path that we are well and truly down now, unfortunately.

 

[hindy111]

You are right. Standards were different back then.

It is up to 25+ yrs ago. Right or wrong times have changed.
White men used to whip coloured people at one point.
Most women didn't work 40yrs ago.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

This is not about innocence before the courts for criminal charges. This is about women feeling that it is now safe to speak out against merkins in the workplace or famous people thinking that they can play by different rules. The landscape has changed.

Unfortunately people now feel safe to make shit up as well. In fact, given the empowerment offered by victimhood, plenty of borderline personalities feel encouraged to make shit up.

How do we tell the real accusations from the spurious? What recourse does an innocent man have against false accusations?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I agree, but what if the allegations aren't true (which is highly unlikely in this case)? We have then just stuffed Burkes reputation, with no avenue to fix it!!

We just need to be careful!!

Couldn’t Burke sue for slander or defamation or whatever?

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Couldn’t Burke sue for slander or defamation or whatever?

Of course but you need the cash to do that, and your reputation would never be the same, no matter the result even if innocent!!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well Burke has the money, and his reputation would be better after successfully challenging false claims than just copping it.

 

[Gronk]

What recourse does an innocent man have against false accusations?

Defamation.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Where does the burden of proof lie?

 

[Gronk]

Where does the burden of proof lie?

Defendant.

 

[Avenger]

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[Suitman]

Here we go again.......