Raiderdave
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Similar to the feeling you get reading a raiderdave post...
Oh .... thats funny :?:roll:
naaaarrrrrrrtttttt..................:lol:;-)
Similar to the feeling you get reading a raiderdave post...
As I live in the area and am involved with a junior club i nthe area I can tell you exactly whats happened. Almost all over 30 who remember the Bears wouldn't follow another team - they have become casual RL watchers at best of State of origin, finals etc, but have switched most focus to Swans and Waratahs. Bring the Bears back, this changes overnight.
This is translating to their kids - with no local NRL team representing the district, and no parents passionate about the game, there is no connection and less and less kids follow league also. Of those who do, allegiances are split on the lower north shore between mainly Souths, Roosters, Parramatta, St George, Tigers, Manly. In pretty close to that order, too, but NRL jerseys are rarely sighted these days around here. It all depends on which team is having a run of success - so last few years, more St George and Manly than would otherwise be the case. When their eras end, their support will fall.
There is a cultural divide and an access issue to Brookvale that precludes support for the Sea Eagles...they will never be the 'natural' team to follow, just one of a selection of peripheral options. Parents will be more inclined to take kids to a venue they can easily access and watch in comfort - currently none. A lot of the cultural divide is due to the Sea Eagles seige mentality "you hate us and we hate you'. So if you don't live on the peninsula, it means Manly hates you, so hardly an endearing enticement for undecided fans (or sponsors)!
David Gallop is fully aware of the lack of traction Manly have on the north shore and northern beaches - he has said as much himself with comments about the attraction of a team with a home ground that can be easily accessed via the north shore-Gosford rail link, and the attraction in reconnecting with all Bears fans lost to the game (over 40K in his words).
Brookvale is poorly located to cater for anywhere except the peninsula - surely no one can deny that, and because of this, they will always struggle financially and be unable to service there own area adequately, let alone northern Sydney and the Central Coast. I see Manly junior numbers are falling also, despite successful times. Every dollar (and more than they have) goes into the NRL squad, not grassroots or junior/other rep teams.
If you only had 1 team to fill northern Sydney and Central Coast, you'd locate it at Hornsby (or maybe Chatswood or Gosford). The last place you'd locate it is halfway up the peninsula which no one can access through sufficient capacity public transport except if you live on Pittwater Rd or access via ferry/bus from Circular Quay or express bus from the CBD.
Since we're stuck with Brookvale for one team, another team is needed to cover outside the peninsula, IF IT CAN PROVE IT WILL HELP, NOT HINDER. That's the challenge for the Bears bid team. Once you understand the mass transport system requirements and networks, its pretty straightforward!
It's remarkable how News Limited drivel is taken up as fact in teh expansion debate. News Limited dont want new clubs because it will cost them more - the value of the TV rights will go up.
So - in the last 11 years, a range of bullshit arguments have been made by ant-CC Bears people:
Instead of parroting the crap from News Limited morons pushing their own agenda, let's have some facts. To start, Goddo, define what adds to TV rights value - you make big sweeping News Limited-style motherhood statements, but you never justify them.
- Too many teams
- Not enough NRL standard players
- Regional nSW
- Not regional - really Sydney
- Too close to Sydney
- Too far away from Sydney
- Doesn't add to TV rights
- Adds to TV rights - but wrong area
- Not expansion, consolidation needed
- Expansion but we need consolidation.
PS: Macca from canberra - stay out of this. Go flip some burgers.
& of course .. you aren't parrotting cr@p ... & know everything
when you come up with an actual fact
let us know
that is all ;-)
They are facts, moron, it's what been said.
So, then - you answer the question - define precisely what adds value to TV rights in respect of expansion.
NOTE: Can you please stop saying "That is all" - it's lame and makes you look even more of a dildo.
parroting the crap from News Limited morons pushing their own agenda
They are facts, moron, it's what been said.
So, then - you answer the question - define precisely what adds value to TV rights in respect of expansion.
NOTE: Can you please stop saying "That is all" - it's lame and makes you look even more of a dildo.
They are facts, moron, it's what been said.
So, then - you answer the question - define precisely what adds value to TV rights in respect of expansion.
NOTE: Can you please stop saying "That is all" - it's lame and makes you look even more of a dildo.
Not wanting to step into your personal argument but I would suggest:
New audience
Increasing audience
New time slot potential
as the key factors in terms of TV value.
The argument against the bears is that they don't tick any of those boxes as people who will watch RL on the CC/NS are already watching it where as Brisbane has been shown that when a Q'land team is involved more people watch the game and Perth adds the new audience/new time slot advantage.
Why don't we (IC) ask the networks?
The Bears have!
As I'm sure all bidders have....
What was the answer?
What was the answer?
Won't matter, there will be no expansion in 2014 or 2015
Great to hear thats the argument against the Bears, because its one that can be easily proved/disproved......if the Bears can prove people aren't watching RL on the CC or north shore as much as they used to (or compared with areas with a RL team), and hence have potential for more viewers in a sponsor rich environment, they instantly lock up one expansion slot because of all the other advantages the Bears bring to the table - increased Sydney crowds, heritage brand, merchandise, demographic, support from QLD etc...
It isn't actually that easy to answer from what I can see. How do you work it out? I guess you could look at viewing figures for say Cronulla, Penrith etc and Gosford/NS and see if they are similair ,but I don't think the metro stats actually break down like that so you probably can;t.
Then you have to guess at the potential audience of Perth, maybe 100-150k per game (guesstimates at best as potential is only useful if realised) and how many extra Q'landers tune in when a Brisbane teram is playing compared to 2 NSW teams (easier to do as those stats exist). Then you alos need to factor in advertising appeal, ie is it more appealing for an advertiser knowing their product will be seen in Gosford or Perth/Brisbane etc etc.
I would suggest it is actually quite hard to do with any accuracy so it will ultimately come down to what the TV execs want as much as anything.
Well, Gyngel has said outright he wants another South East Queensland team if 9 are expected to pay more for Free to air rights. Perth has the obvious attractions of timezone for pay TV.I think I know what they want. Perth and SEQ.
Well, Gyngel has said outright he wants another South East Queensland team if 9 are expected to pay more for Free to air rights. Perth has the obvious attractions of timezone for pay TV.