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NRL boss Dave Smith embarks on quest of massive reforms

RWB

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If they want to pretend to be making everything even why not look at all the advantages different clubs have.

What's with the quest to make the competition so even to the point that every club gets exactly the same opportunities?

Do we really want a cyclical competition where clubs just accept the fact that they have "premiership windows" and "rebuilding seasons". Sounds boring to me & man-made to me.
 

supercharger

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Could never be nade along the lines of the nba / nfl/nhl ..our comp is nowhere near the size of them and besides most of the draft comes out of a fairly efficient college system.. which the nrl does not have anything close too

Bottom line is the NRL is nowhere near the size or structure to maintain a draft

On the other hand we all could be wrong and the structure proposed is something completely different

I see your point but there is a draft in the CFL (9 teams) WNBA (12 teams) NLL (9 teams) and MLL (8 teams) so you don't necessarily require a 30 to 32 team league to maintain a draft.
 

The Partisan

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Funnily enough this is the part that does not bother me. The non proathletes in the population i.e 99.5% of us have to make career decisions at 16 and 18 which may involve leaving home or going interstate/overseas. An 18 year old is not a baby and if his career of choice is professional rugby league then you take what you are given and get paid handsomely for it

Agree. Teenagers move location to attend university ( especially country kids) and in some jobs need to be prepared to be placed away from home. In days past this just the norm in banking, public serve or teaching (albeit probably at least 21 with teaching).

I think if you are 18 or over and chasing a sporting dream - you have to accept that not all is going o be presented to you on a silver platter.

Seem to remember Harry Kewell moving to England in his mid teens.
 
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How does the restraint of trade stuff fit in? I thought a draft was virtually ruled out because of it?

It is illegal to have a draft system in our country. The AFL draft only survives because their player association backs it, if any player ever challenged it in court it would be gone. The players after their first contract seem to have a lot of say in where the go next, eg the Swans drafted a bloke years ago (Can't remember his name) and he made it known he wanted to go to Collingwood and was at the Magpies 2 years later.

The difference between AFL and NRL is that the state bodies in AFL fund all the junior competitions and the elite competition for under 18's have clubs associated with areas but not senior AFL sides. This is vastly different from how the NRL sides have Harold Matthews, SG Ball etc... This would have to change before a draft could even be looked at in the NRL plus the players association would have to be a lot stronger and fully behind it (this could slow the process so that a draft would be unlikely before 2020 at the earliest, as clubs currently have a lot of junior players going down to 12 years old on scholarships).
 

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I think if you are 18 or over and chasing a sporting dream - you have to accept that not all is going o be presented to you on a silver platter.

Seem to remember Harry Kewell moving to England in his mid teens.

Or the paths that players like Grant Balfour and Nathan Walker have followed to reach their goals
 

Warrior@Heart

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I think an optional draft would be good where a player has the option to declare or not and if a player wants to pursue a certain club he can play his way into first grade with their feeder side. Just make it financially beneficial to enter the draft. Maybe a draft with fixed contracts for every position in the draft. For example no. 1 draft gets a 2 year contract worth 200k a season (not counted against the cap), no. 2 180k, no.3 160k etc.
 

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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...019724381?nk=546780684591dfd335af4e152fc1499e

Parramatta Eels and Newcastle Knights wary of NRL draft that doesn’t reward junior development

Nick Walshaw
The Daily Telegraph
August 11, 2014 12:00AM

PARRAMATTA CEO Scott Seward said the Eels will be among several NRL clubs wary of a rookie draft.

“We are a development club ... developing juniors is what our success is based on,” he said.

As revealed in The Sunday Telegraph , NRL officials have spent the past six months exploring various forms of a draft which, considered for implementation in 2017, would aim at spreading the code’s best young talent across all 16 sides.

But clubs with the strongest development systems — like the Eels, Penrith and Newcastle — will ask why they should continue spending in excess of $1 million every year on players who they no longer have first crack at signing.

Of the Knights team that won the 2001 premiership, for example, roughly a dozen came through the local system. Back in 1997, the figure was higher again, with even ‘‘outsiders’’ like Queensland Origin fullback Robbie O’Davis having played SG Ball with the club.

It is a blueprint the club is now working to repeat.

Parramatta, too, are pushing for the NRL playoffs thanks largely to a posse of local juniors who have been catapulted into the NRL recently.

“The ability to develop juniors, it’s one of our real strengths,’’ Seward said. “Right now, there isn’t a lot of detail on the draft and we’re keen to have a look at it, definitely.

“But developing juniors is what the success of this club is built on.

“Yes, our NRL side has some imports. But we’ve also had a number of young players come through recently from clubs like Cabramatta.

“And when you have over 7000 e juniors who you’re pumping money into from the age of five up, you want to get some reward for that.”

One draft variation involves clubs being allowed to hand-pick five players who are draft exempt. That would save, say, Newcastle giving up an obvious future star like Immortal Andrew Johns.

Yet if all 16 clubs are offered the same, 80 of the code’s most exciting teenagers won’t be involved in the draft. And how do you sell it as an event, like the NFL Draft in America?

There were also suggestions that the NRL could take over financing junior development. But as one official said: “Junior development is about a lot more than outlaying cash ... it’s the expertise of those on the ground. Do we put a value on them, or the systems we have of identifying and nurturing young talent?”

Asked about anyone taking even partial control of the Eels nursery, Seward said: “Obviously it would be hard to even get us to the negotiating table for that.

“But right now, little information has been made public on what any potential draft may involve. We’re certainly keen to look at anything which helps the viability of the game.”

Newcastle football manager Warren Smiles said that while plenty of discussion lies ahead, the Knights preferred a system where the club got to pick at least five players to remain draft exempt.

“We’re happy to have a look at the draft,’’ he said.
 

Dufmack

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Can't be bothered to read back so sorry if the point has been flogged.

Basically in some way this is going to impede funding to junior development. If clubs aren't aggressive and competitive in fighting over young junior players, then those players may very well go to rugby union.
 

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I noticed the fans whose team would be greatly disadvantaged by the introduction of the rookie draft are fiercely against the idea ....

I notice fans who bleed talented juniors and overpay shithouse ones fiercely for the idea. Perspective is interesting.

Very interesting to see that a lot of posters happy with the status quo are roosters fans. Because this is what the draft is about, stopping certain clubs with no junior development pillaging other clubs who put in at the junior level. The roosters like to sign players at 17 or 18 from rival clubs and pass them off as their own because they play 20s or NSW cup for them.

I'd suggest that the draft will be designed to allow players who have been identified in the junior ranks and nurtured throughout their youth playing days to choose to stay with their parent club if that club wants them whilst other players who aren't a priority will enter the draft.

And then you have people bitching when the Roosters do invest in junior areas :roll:

For the record, I am very much for greater rewards for developing and incentives to keep local juniors and long serving players. I still think the draft is a rubbish and unnecessary concept.

Certain clubs with issues retaining players should sort their problems out instead of passing them off to Dave Smith to fix for them.
 

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I notice fans who bleed talented juniors and overpay shithouse ones fiercely for the idea. Perspective is interesting.



And then you have people bitching when the Roosters do invest in junior areas :roll:

For the record, I am very much for greater rewards for developing and incentives to keep local juniors and long serving players. I still think the draft is a rubbish and unnecessary concept.

Certain clubs with issues retaining players should sort their problems out instead of passing them off to Dave Smith to fix for them.


Actually I am against any sort of draft.
I think it is a draconian concept. It is horrible to think a young player cannot choose where he plays at the start of his professional career. What kind of f*cked up philosophy is that? Okay, here is where you are going to play and what coach you are going to play for. You don't like it? Well, tough luck!

Comps usually enforce a draft as a way to bring more balance to a competition (in addition to a salary cap). But the AFL has shown this does not work (awfully incompetitive/unbalanced competition). I don't think it even works in the American sports.

In any case the NRL has one of the most competitive sports comp in the world ... and all without a draft.
 

RWB

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Actually I am against any sort of draft.
I think it is a draconian concept. It is horrible to think a young player cannot choose where he plays at the start of his professional career. What kind of f*cked up philosophy is that? Okay, here is where you are going to play and what coach you are going to play for. You don't like it? Well, tough luck!

Comps usually enforce a draft as a way to bring more balance to a competition (in addition to a salary cap). But the AFL has shown this does not work (awfully incompetitive/unbalanced competition). I don't think it even works in the American sports.

In any case the NRL has one of the most competitive sports comp in the world ... and all without a draft.

:clap: Well said.
 

Perth Red

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Define wealth? Under this proposal you risk leagues clubs reducing funding rather than see the outcomes redistributed.

Leagues clubs are supposed to mainly exist to find jnr sport. They can still fund, even better, u5's up to u17's, u18's funded by NRL and draft comes in at 20? I'm struggling to figure out how the NRL can do it otherwise.

Re being drafted to play in another city, already happens, many WA kids have moved to east coast in last few years for a shot at the NRL. Not many 20 year olds goi g to refuse a shot at NRL.
 

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I think the key point of scrapping it would be to reduce costs...

so Sydney teams only need to travel as far as New England or the Riverena rather Townsville and Aukland.

Union are about to bring in a national second grade. Remind me again which code got the $billion TV deal?
 

eozsmiles

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This seems a bit detrimental to player development.

If a club is in an area with a big junior base then they should be producing lot's of 1st graders - that's a gimme. So what is the point of limiting the number they can keep? At present, clubs like Parra and the Tigers and Saints and Penrith and the Knights can keep all their juniors if they want to. They just have to create an environment and a pathway to 1st grade that is attractive enough for the kids to stay. Under this new system, only 5 can stay. It doesn't make any sense. Even if a club is producing kids and losing half of them to other clubs, it is obviously because they are good footy players and belong in 1st grade. There is no point in warehousing them, that just lowers the level of the comp. And the producing club still gets the first crack at signing the kids so the only excuse for losing the good ones is bad management or a difference of opinion.

-If clubs can nominate their best 5 juniors and sign them before they are forced to enter the draft, what incentive is there to produce any more than 5?
-And why would non-producing clubs bother to start when they know that so many kids are going to be nominated for the draft and they don't even have to enter a bidding war for them?
-And if kids are put into the draft at say 18 years old, what is to stop clubs signing the best 16 year olds in order to claim them?
 

Cockadoodledoo

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At least we know Smiths agenda is to try and give every team an even chance of winning. This helps explain the likes of a 7-0 second half penalty count.
 

Perth Red

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The cynic could say he's paving the way for a more national competition. Thing is the one city clubs already have the advantage in terms of better revenues so shouldn't really need a draft to be competitive, they can offer better financial incentives than the over crowded Sydney market.
 

supercharger

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Actually I am against any sort of draft.
I think it is a draconian concept. It is horrible to think a young player cannot choose where he plays at the start of his professional career. What kind of f*cked up philosophy is that? Okay, here is where you are going to play and what coach you are going to play for. You don't like it? Well, tough luck!

Comps usually enforce a draft as a way to bring more balance to a competition (in addition to a salary cap). But the AFL has shown this does not work (awfully incompetitive/unbalanced competition). I don't think it even works in the American sports.

In any case the NRL has one of the most competitive sports comp in the world ... and all without a draft.

Patrick michael pointed out in an article back in 2011 that The closest that any other profession comes to having a draft is the medical profession. When a medical student needs to perform his or her residency, there is a computerized system called "the match" which determines where the residency will occur. The algorithm takes into account the student's strengths and needs as well as those of the institutions. The student must do his or her residency at the institution selected by the computer.

There was an excellent piece about getting rid of the draft, that appeared on sports on earth last year http://www.sportsonearth.com/articl...e-game-would-be-better-off-without-it#!bAuM7e
 
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