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NRL faces major turmoil as clubs threaten breakaway league

T-Boon

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Pick the person who has no idea of history and the causes of the Super League War. :rolleyes:

Maybe thats why the NRL are so keen to build up digital as much as possible.

Is it healthy for the code to be hijacked like that? By someone who has stated they want to try to assist AFL.

As sensible as it is to have a second Brisbane team or level out some of Brisbane's immense advantage we can't because News will threaten super league every time.

Lets build digital.
 

Von Hipper

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I'd like to explore why Wests-Tigers should get more money from the NRL than Brisbane

What is you logic here ?

It can't be travel or ThNF impact

We're not talking the huge discrepancies of say the top afl teams v the bottom here. On a closer scale. Why should the broncos - with all their advantages (and yes its done to maximise ratings and no the broncos [claim] they don't like it, you know, the whole 20M dollars worth of sponsorships thats related to that and all.....)

stuff the broncos; everyone is over the broncos complaining how they've got it the best, I bet....

Should we really be paying them the same when thats all the case - when they are determined to halt expansion, ect, ect.

As for wests - IF we are not going to shunt them off to adelaide or be a half-part of Perth, or central coast, ect, then I suppose we are keeping them.

So they need to be helped out.

When people read my plan, its not a flat rate plan of giving grants to these clubs, and it could well change year on year. It targets specific areas.

If I were giving out the money (and I am not haha) I would be doing so trying not to waste money and trying to save for expansion.


How dare you question his logic you toothless commoner! Jon Sipper is our superior and we must bow down to his superior intellect, our infantile bogan brains cannot fathom such genius

Excuse me, I am not one who requires adoration, like some narcissist. People like that have severe holes in their character.

Your sarcasm is misplaced here.


The reason Brisbane should get a smaller grant than each the other NRL clubs is that they get the capital of RL to themselves and they get to play almost every Friday night. That gives them unfair advantages that should be evened out by giving them a smaller grant (I would say 20% less).

^ This guy gets it.


How dare you question his logic you toothless commoner! Jon Sipper is our superior and we must bow down to his superior intellect, our infantile bogan brains cannot fathom such genius

I dont know why I quoted you twice - but is that superior intellect to you?

Arrrha! .... Think about it..... think...... Um, maybe it is, after all...

Yes, I think it is logical because its better use of funds. I am not sure who/which club you are aligned to - but maybe a relative is on the board of the club, a chairman, ect... in those cases no one sits round the Christmas BBQ and says "Gees! Can't wait to hand our competitors more money than us! haha! Long live Rugby League!"

Its more like "I hate the ARLC... evil ARLC... evvviiilllssss!"

Personally - in reality I think you are sympathetic to the NSWRL - and not because you could be from NSW.
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Pick the person who has no idea of history and the causes of the Super League War. :rolleyes:

I thought he made a decent point. Its all irrelevant now. Sure the Broncos were up in arms, but look they are covered more than anyone now. And no Quayle saying he openly wants Brisbane dead!

I bet you want to bring Quayle back.... it may be hard to fathom but I advocate both helping clubs and stopping them from harming the league overall. Many think its some kind of evolutionary rush to be the victor in a fight of survival of the fittest .... ahhh no. Its a league. Like the Peloponnesian League in ancient Greece or something.

Seriously the NRL clubs are just working out geometry, let alone how to be a proper 'league'. One that is cohesive and self perpetuating, and expansive. May be sacrifice involved. The 'higher' calling.

(If I can see this, and people can't - maybe I am superior? Greater than sum of parts stuff)

They had their damned CEO/Chairman trying to kill them not 25 years ago! lol

Maybe thats why the NRL are so keen to build up digital as much as possible.

Is it healthy for the code to be hijacked like that? By someone who has stated they want to try to assist AFL.

As sensible as it is to have a second Brisbane team or level out some of Brisbane's immense advantage we can't because News will threaten super league every time.

Lets build digital.

They should be going digital as a matter of urgency - correct.

Its about this time Diego will be bowing down to my superior intellect (but actually NONE of my ideas are original).

When news and others can serve you your head on a platter, thats not cool, when clubs dont want to release players or they are not using their players to make themselves their own money on their own sites, apps, ect, thats not cool.

Its all inclusive and builds on itself.

They could use that revenue and they could use the chance well to dictate how they are perceived more, and the league could use agenda/tone and direction of discussion that comes from packaging things, and of course balance and the way the world is post-truth/social media orientated, ect. Why leave the tone of the message up to a company with vested interests, a group that can't beat-out the AFL packaged stories of down south, ect. We saw how the NRL handled the last few years of trash from news ltd with statements on their site, ect. Not a bad effort.

Thats only one side of it.

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BUT NO! When it comes time to talk about it, the people on here largely say the NRL is going the wrong route with funding, ect, and serves Grant right.... ect, ect.

That attitude is severely lacking. The digital is a priority and I think this will be dawning on clubs very soon.

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BEFORE I do any of that above - I would like to find out how many brown paper bags, and how much is in them, is going round at other clubs to try and combat the likes of the broncos. Though I suppose the broncos were doing it themselves, were they not.
 
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Perth Red

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Afl club grants in 2015 ranged from $11mill to Collingwood to $20.5mill for GWS

Aside from the storms extra payment of $4.6mill a year all NRL clubs are on equal grants. Seems there is a belief in NRL clubs that clubs should not be punished for success of growth or rewarded for mediocrity of performance. Of course this doesn't reflect the real world where we have some clubs with massive population catchments, some clubs in small suburban populations, some clubs getting regular fta coverage whilst others are mainly shown on paytv etc etc

Clubs don't want to help out fellow clubs but NRL feels the need to protect its brand and contracts by ensuring it has 16 sustained clubs.

Gould in the past has called for an afl style variable club grant whilst others have poo poo'd the idea.

Nrl's response to lack of support for this from clubs is to have them contribute to a bail out fund which they have refused to do.

Seems the NRL is stuck between a rock and a hard place in regards to how to ensure all 16 clubs can be supported adequately whilst not putting itself in a position where it puts its own financial position or independence in club ownership at risk.
 

Perth Red

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Maybe thats why the NRL are so keen to build up digital as much as possible.

Is it healthy for the code to be hijacked like that? By someone who has stated they want to try to assist AFL.

As sensible as it is to have a second Brisbane team or level out some of Brisbane's immense advantage we can't because News will threaten super league every time.

Lets build digital.

Anyone have any idea what this reputed $20mill a year to build "digital" actually means? What are the outcomes and how will this recover the investment?

I get that one day the NRL may sell its own coverage online in the future but does it really need $100mill and 6years to get ready for that?
 

T-Boon

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Anyone have any idea what this reputed $20mill a year to build "digital" actually means? What are the outcomes and how will this recover the investment?

I get that one day the NRL may sell its own coverage online in the future but does it really need $100mill and 6years to get ready for that?

I bet it is linked to theories that printed press is dying a pretty fast death and that direct streaming is the future of watching sport.

They could sell their own advertisement space. Cut the daily telegraph out of rugby league news all together - hastening its death. Publish their own "Big League". Buy the Broncos back off of News and sell it to someone who isn't a total merkin.

You could get the best minds in the business on board building the NRL digital, marketing, streaming etc or you could get dead shits on board and save a few pennies for the clubs to spend on increasing the wage of their wrestling coaches and video technicians. While our competitor down south gets the jump on us.
 

Perth Red

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But what does it buy? We already have Facebook, twitter, instagram etc etc. we need an independent website and I can see nrltv service improving but what beyond the digital footprint the game has now will it get for $20mill a year?

Any examples of what we don't have now but could have in the future for this investment?
 

AlwaysGreen

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Does t boon think that the nfl don't use 'video technicians'? He wants to be more like the nfl but not use the technology they do.
Then, On one hand he wants more excitement than is too dense to realise that 'video technicians' actually assist in attack.

What a dunce.
 

BuffaloRules

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But what does it buy? We already have Facebook, twitter, instagram etc etc. we need an independent website and I can see nrltv service improving but what beyond the digital footprint the game has now will it get for $20mill a year?

Any examples of what we don't have now but could have in the future for this investment?

We cant tell you because Grant never releases any real details about how the NRL Admin spends all the money..

I assume that they are going to be employing a lot of "journalists" to write a lot of feel good stories to put on nrl.com
 

T-Boon

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T-boon, how much do you think nrl spends on wrestling coaches?

Haha, I am guessing - but whatever it is is too much. I sort of use "wrestling coach and video technician" in my rants as a metaphor for all the waste at Club level. I should probably say "wrestling coaches and centres of excellence".
It would be a step forward for rugby league to go back to captain coaches in my opinion. You could run a football department on 1mill and the game would look better.
 

DiegoNT

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People are trying to make something complicated when it doesn't have to be.
The NRL competition, the teams and the players, are responsible for 90% of the money coming into the NRLs coffers. So it makes sense to protect what's actually making money. Yea digital, expansion, grassroots all have their needs, but the thing that makes the money possible has to be tended to first. The clubs aren't asking for anything that unreasonable. Like Perth Red said, at 130% on a $10m cap is still only taking about 42% of what's available. That's still leaves 58% of what's left for everything else. If digital is so important then that $20m per year should be coming out of the 58%.
Every current club contributes in its own way to the strength of the nrl competition, and it's money making ways. It's all finely balanced. The sydney clubs all have huge fanbases, while it may not reflect in crowds, they are hugely popular in ratings . The smaller market teams means that the game is spread to more areas. Yea newcastle are costing a bit atm, but imagine how much more it would cost if we lost the whole hunter area. Ditto for the dragons, titans and tigers.
All clubs contribute to making that tv deal in their own way, so sharing it out fairly seems the way to go. If you start doing sliding scales then you a rewarding a club for mediocrity or punishing a club for being succesful. 130% off the cap for clubs should give them huge breathing space, then it's upto them through sponsorship, mememberships etc. While you can argue that some have been badly run, it must be remembered we aren't far out of a disastrous suoer league war and gallop era.
That still leaves a huge amount of money that can be invested in new technologies, grassroots (the problem with grass roots isn't just monetary, it's ideology as well), and expansion. With expansion, it's up to whoever negotiates our next tv deal to spruik the idea of an extra game per week to cover the costs of 2 new teams.
If this rebellion is about a secret conspiracy for clubs to get power, wouldn't it makes sense to just give them the %130, and cut them off the threat immideately? Once they get the funding they want some clubs will back down, as will the rlpa, and suddenly there isn't this big block trying to take over?
 

siv

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The reason Brisbane should get a smaller grant than each the other NRL clubs is that they get the capital of RL to themselves and they get to play almost every Friday night. That gives them unfair advantages that should be evened out by giving them a smaller grant (I would say 20% less).

What metric defines all of Brisbane ? Population ?. Why does this not apply to allof Melbourne

Note in 2017 Souths have the most FNF games not Brisbane
 

T-Boon

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Does t boon think that the nfl don't use 'video technicians'? He wants to be more like the nfl but not use the technology they do.
Then, On one hand he wants more excitement than is too dense to realise that 'video technicians' actually assist in attack.

The NFL can afford for their franchises to splurge on all sorts of "waste" chasing their tale trying to keep up with each other. They can afford it because they are siting pretty at the top of the pile in the american sports market and also because they don't have a grass roots to worry about so they can and should get all of the pie to spend on shiny toys.

The NFL isn't any better off because of all the technology the franchises have or all the massive coaching staff etc. They just simply don't have anything else to spend their fortune on.

With all the spending we have had on football departments in the last 15 years does anyone think the product on the field has improved? Its just a wasteful arms race inflating the price of shiny toys.
 
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They should be going digital as a matter of urgency - correct.

Its about this time Diego will be bowing down to my superior intellect (but actually NONE of my ideas are original).

"Superior intellect"?! ROFLMAO. Superior ego more likely. Also putting your ideas in bold does not make them "superior". You are not worth the time of day conversing with.
 

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