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NRL faces major turmoil as clubs threaten breakaway league

alien

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Laughable point of view.. Let's have no clubs in Syd, Mel, Bris etc replaced with PNG and Central Coast...

You need to keep holding firm on something..

The NRL could start new clubs in those areas though. A bit like how Sydney FC and Western Sydney Wanderers weren't in the old NSL, but are fairly well supported in the A League.
 

BuffaloRules

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The NRL could start new clubs in those areas though. A bit like how Sydney FC and Western Sydney Wanderers weren't in the old NSL, but are fairly well supported in the A League.

With no players, coaches, admin, grounds sorted out?

By when?

Do the media partners start getting nervous in the meantime that these newly constructed plastic entities aren't what they originally signed up for?
 

LeagueXIII

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It's a shame the media and clubs weren't as hard on Gallop when he was "leading" the game maybe the game would be in a lot stronger position.

Then again........
 

Perth Red

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Be interesting to know if the TV contract stipulates which clubs are in the comp or just that an 8 game round will be televised? NRL only would need to get the best supported 12 on board and bring in 4 new clubs in expansion regions and arguably the comp would be better for TV anyways.
 

BuffaloRules

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Doubt they would all leave, the NRL is offering them guaranteed existence through a perpetual license, and their reaponse is more more more, or we won't sign. As said there are plenty of valuable options beyond the current 16 clubs. NRL is pss weak though and won't have the balls to make them a take or leave it offer. They will back down as they did with the tv deal and fox.

The club Grant has gone from $3.45mill to $9.3 mill in seven years, considering CPI is around 2% most years that is a massive revenue increase yet they still can't make ends meet?

So a new team eg Perth is going to be able to operate on less NRL money than what the current clubs want?
 

BuffaloRules

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The club Grant has gone from $3.45mill to $9.3 mill in seven years, considering CPI is around 2% most years that is a massive revenue increase yet they still can't make ends meet?

CPI might be 2% but the NRL revenue has gone up by multiples...

How much has the NRL admin costs gone up in that seven years?
 

Stormwarrior82

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The media are helping give the clubs to much power. Hopefully the Nrl hold firm and call the clubs bluff. If the Nrl get the players on their side the clubs will have to accept because they'll have no team.
 

BuffaloRules

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Seriously lads, get 16 new teams in by all means, it's still not going to change the fact that the current Management of the game is an inept joke.
 

insert.pause

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It's really ironic that the roosters, Bulldogs & panthers allegedly refused to sign the memorandum of understanding until a clause that stated it was a "binding agreement" was removed. Had they not kicked up a fuss the ARLC may not have been able to revoke the agreement.
 

Perth Red

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So a new team eg Perth is going to be able to operate on less NRL money than what the current clubs want?

No idea, but at least they would tow the line!

Clubs don't know what they want, until the salary cap is sorted clubs won't know what the NRL can afford to offer. 130% + $1.5mill if the cap gets near $10mill is too much though.

If I was the NRL I'd be aiming for a $9mill cap with a $11mill grant (no discretionary $1.5mill extra) in 2018, going up $.5mill every year for cap and $.75mill club grant annually. That would seem fair and reasonable.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...hairman-john-grants-head-20161126-gsya9x.html

Why the NRL clubs want ARL commission chairman John Grant's head

Certain members of the Australian Rugby League Commission and key individuals within NRL management have no respect for the NRL clubs. They haven't for some time.

Their attitude is that the 16 NRL clubs are not stakeholders in this game, but rather the commission owns everything that is good about rugby league and the NRL clubs are merely suppliers of the product.


ARLC chairman John Grant says he still expects to be in his current role in the next five years despite murmurs he's under pressure from high-ranking NRL club officials.

As a result, the NRL has tried to centralise all ownership and activity to an ever-growing NRL management and administration.

The significant increase in size and running costs of the NRL competition, NRL Central and its associated programs has been mind-boggling, if not totally irresponsible. This has occurred on many levels.


For many years, NRL club bosses have been sceptical of the exploding costs associated with running the game and the financial reporting that comes out of head office.

This week the situation finally reached breaking point.

For too long, NRL management has been secretly passing off to the commissioners and key members of the media the story that any unrest in club land is merely the rantings and agitations of a few rebel recalcitrants who were looking to make trouble.

Nothing could be further from the truth.


When the NSWRL, QRL and 16 NRL clubs stood together as one during the week to say enough is enough, Idare say it took many of the other commission members by surprise.

The whole problem stems from the fact that the commission and NRL management have been constantly borrowing from the future to pay for the financial extravagance and mismanagement of the past.

They now realise they can't keep doing this and they certainly cannot honour the memorandum of understanding for NRL club funding that was agreed to only 12 months ago.

Rather than admit to the financial problems they have created, the NRL is now trying to claw money back from the clubs and players. However, their explanations for doing so do not make sense and their methods will eventually prove damaging to the long-term future ofthe game.

As just one example, commission chairman John Grant is now saying the NRL needs to realign its spending towards grassroots participation because this area of the game is going backwards at an alarming rate.

This is more a "political" ploy than anything. They obviously believe the mention of words such as "grassroots" and "participation" will resonate with the general public and generate support for their actions. The truth of the matter is that this commission and the NRL management teams of the past 15years have been so disconnected from the grassroots of our game that they wouldn't know where to find it.

Anyway, it's very strange that the NRL is now saying our game is going backwards. Every "State of the Game" address and every NRL annual report for as long as I can remember has highlighted increased participation levels for junior leagues, senior competitions, touch football, women's rugby league, over 35s, etc.

Every State of the Game report from the NRL I can ever remember talks about what great shape the game is in and how they're investing for the future. They highlight that the NRL game development division has engaged with an increasing number of school kids every year.

The NRL game development division has more than 400 development officers, run by highly paid managers, costing the game millions of dollars each year. This has been the NRL's strategy to build participation rates at all levels.

They keep telling us what a great job they have been doing and they have been justifying the enormous amounts of money they have dedicated to these programs by reporting that participation is up, TV ratings are up, membership is up, crowds are up and the game is in great shape.

Now ARLC chairman John Grant is telling us that participation rates are down and the game is going backwards.

If this is true, then obviously all this money the NRL has spent on development and participation programs has failed.

Actually, we have warned them for years that these programs were fundamentally flawed, so if there is evidence of failure it will come as no surprise to those who work in clubs and junior leagues. at the coal face.

Why then would the NRL clubs trust this commission to fix the mess and allow them MORE money for MORE programs of their own making?

Our game has many issues and faces many challenges into the future that need to be addressed.

I think this week we witnessed the NRL clubs saying that it would be very unwise to give those who created these problems the chance to solve these problems.

The ARLC was formed to give rugby league "independence" from media ownership and to administer the NRL competition on behalf of the NRL clubs. The initial process of forming the commission was compromised by the interests of the exiting parties and the efforts of others acting purely out if self-interest and trying to survive.

It is imperative, at this critical point in time, that the commission undergoes the necessary constitutional change to ensure the right people are placed in the right positions of authority, to manage the future of our game and make it the best it can be at all levels of our game.

We live in hope.

Phil Gould is general manager of football for Penrith Panthers.
 

El Diablo

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Anyway, it's very strange that the NRL is now saying our game is going backwards. Every "State of the Game" address and every NRL annual report for as long as I can remember has highlighted increased participation levels for junior leagues, senior competitions, touch football, women's rugby league, over 35s, etc.
that is certainly true

so perhaps Gus is right and Grant is just playing silly buggers
 

insert.pause

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that is certainly true

so perhaps Gus is right and Grant is just playing silly buggers
I think it's probably a bit of both, annual reports are PR fluff to begin with and I'm sure Grant is using emotive language to give the impression of clubs being greedy. Reality is the governance of the game is effectively broken, stakeholders don't trust each other, that is why nothing is getting agreed to and why the game is treading water. It's the chairmans responsibility to lead the code and bring it together to get things done, grant has failed.
 

Stormwarrior82

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Back flipping on prior agreements is good management?

Spending gazillions on administration and then crying poor is good management?

Having no plans for the future is good management?

Decisions were made nearly 12 months ago... a lot has happened since then. Along with clubs stuffing up time after time. Are they all pulling there weight to? Are they all managed well? Something's we're agreed to and other things weren't so my take was they pulled everything off the table and started again. Takes balls.

It's only spending gazillions compared to what the Nrl spent in the gallop era.

And they have plans... increase digital presence and increase grassroots and participation. Not bad plans
 

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