NRL Salary Cap/CBA -2023 - 2027

[Iamback]

So you'd grant your employer ownership of your medical data, and the ability to sell it to anyone without notifying you? And if not, why do you expect nrl players to do something you are unwilling to?

Who is buying this data? What purpose would they want it for?

We have much bigger sports that private medical data isn't being sold

The club should certainly have it though, just for a general welfare kind of thing

 

[siv]

So you'd grant your employer ownership of your medical data, and the ability to sell it to anyone without notifying you? And if not, why do you expect nrl players to do something you are unwilling to?

All employers collect data on your performance in doing you job

Be it call centre data, sick days etc

NRL collects performance related data like tackle counts, meters run, and concussion tests, send offs. GPS data would be owned by the clubs

But there will be other things like injuries, assessments, recovery plans, off field incidents, charity stuff. All of this will be in the club databases on a player.

Player managers know a lot as well

I think you will find real medical data is private but everyone wants to know injury or concussion data during contract negotiations

 

[Frailty]

All employers collect data on your performance in doing you job

Be it call centre data, sick days etc

NRL collects performance related data like tackle counts, meters run, and concussion tests, send offs. GPS data would be owned by the clubs

But there will be other things like injuries, assessments, recovery plans, off field incidents, charity stuff. All of this will be in the club databases on a player.

Player managers know a lot as well

I think you will find real medical data is private but everyone wants to know injury or concussion data during contract negotiations

I think the key concern here is that it seems the RLPA are claiming that the NRL and clubs' use of the information is not in line with Privacy Laws and principles.

I know in my work, we collect personal information, which does include some medical information. We have this to be able to do our role, but we don't 'own' the information - we need consent on how it's used, and we have to abide by legislation on privacy and management of records.

There is a key difference between having medical information and owning it.

 

[Perth Red]

I think the key concern here is that it seems the RLPA are claiming that the NRL and clubs' use of the information is not in line with Privacy Laws and principles.

I know in my work, we collect personal information, which does include some medical information. We have this to be able to do our role, but we don't 'own' the information - we need consent on how it's used, and we have to abide by legislation on privacy and management of records.

There is a key difference between having medical information and owning it.

Yep, not hard to understand. The RLPA statement literally starts with that point!

 

[Iamback]

All employers collect data on your performance in doing you job

Be it call centre data, sick days etc

NRL collects performance related data like tackle counts, meters run, and concussion tests, send offs. GPS data would be owned by the clubs

But there will be other things like injuries, assessments, recovery plans, off field incidents, charity stuff. All of this will be in the club databases on a player.

Player managers know a lot as well

I think you will find real medical data is private but everyone wants to know injury or concussion data during contract negotiations

Yep, correct

Concussion especially is the big thing, It isn't practical to get 500 players ok before doing a study.

Things that aren't organised through the club the NRL won't and shouldn't know

 

[Frailty]

Yep, correct

Concussion especially is the big thing, It isn't practical to get 500 players ok before doing a study.

Things that aren't organised through the club the NRL won't and shouldn't know

It absolutely is practical, and you will find every study will get consent from participants before being included into a study.

Again, the key issue appears that the NRL want to have 'ownership' of medical information which is simply not something that any place anywhere has. Even the doctor's surgery you attend that keeps medical information does not own that information. They need to have patient's permission to share information for any referral.

 

[Wb1234]

 

[Iamback]

It absolutely is practical, and you will find every study will get consent from participants before being included into a study.

Again, the key issue appears that the NRL want to have 'ownership' of medical information which is simply not something that any place anywhere has. Even the doctor's surgery you attend that keeps medical information does not own that information. They need to have patient's permission to share information for any referral.

If that is what is wanted then good luck getting 5 day turnarounds reduced before the draw comes out.

Again that is jumping at shadows. I doubt it says all medical data is owned by the NRL.

X player has a floppy dick, He will go to his local doctor club/NRL won't nor should know.

That same player getting x amount of injuries in the workplace ( on the field) certainly should be widely available to the employer, particularly after years down the track. Especially if it leads to possible rule changes to make the game safe.

How long are workplace injuries kept on file at your place for example?

 

[Iamback]

It will piss funny if they get their wish and only get 4 weeks annual instead of 8, amongst other above average conditions they have

 

[titoelcolombiano]

If all the pacific nations got paid the same and they play the international games the same week as origin we'll definitely see alot of the island players turn down the origin jersey to play for the island nations

Probably not, as International payments (even for the Kangaroos) are much lower than Origin payments. Plus playing Origin for most is an ambition that they want to achieve in the game. They'll just play Origin and then join the PI teams for end of season internationals and world cups like To'o, Luai & co do now.

 

[Wb1234]

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[Perth Red]

I reckon if it isnt sorted by finals next step will be a boycott of the international games end of year, then could well lead to strike action pre season leading into first rounds unless they get this sht sorted out.

 

[Perth Red]

If that is what is wanted then good luck getting 5 day turnarounds reduced before the draw comes out.

Again that is jumping at shadows. I doubt it says all medical data is owned by the NRL.

X player has a floppy dick, He will go to his local doctor club/NRL won't nor should know.

That same player getting x amount of injuries in the workplace ( on the field) certainly should be widely available to the employer, particularly after years down the track. Especially if it leads to possible rule changes to make the game safe.

How long are workplace injuries kept on file at your place for example?

Again you miss the point. Its ownership of that info. So my workplace cant share that medical info with my next workplace unless I give them permission to do so. Its legally defined and it seems the NRl is pushing for something that is outside the legal protections of the data information act.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Wtf is the data information act?

 

[Frailty]

If that is what is wanted then good luck getting 5 day turnarounds reduced before the draw comes out.

Again that is jumping at shadows. I doubt it says all medical data is owned by the NRL.

X player has a floppy dick, He will go to his local doctor club/NRL won't nor should know.

That same player getting x amount of injuries in the workplace ( on the field) certainly should be widely available to the employer, particularly after years down the track. Especially if it leads to possible rule changes to make the game safe.

How long are workplace injuries kept on file at your place for example?

The point isn't the NRL having access to that information. It's whether they have the authority to do whatever they want with that information, i.e. share it an external party, etc.

From what I can tell, which - let's be honest is limited to media releases, the NRL has implied in the draft CBA that they would be able to do anything with information without any permissions or even consultation. It's the open-ended nature of the clause.

 

[Iamback]

The point isn't the NRL having access to that information. It's whether they have the authority to do whatever they want with that information, i.e. share it an external party, etc.

From what I can tell, which - let's be honest is limited to media releases, the NRL has implied in the draft CBA that they would be able to do anything with information without any permissions or even consultation. It's the open-ended nature of the clause.

And that is the case, merely changing of the wording gets around that.

Like I said, I doubt it says that said data is owned by the NRL.

If an IR person jumps in, he/she likely does stuff like that on the flip side, Other conditions likely get changed to match the real world.

So not sure players getting an IR person is smart. Both sides choosing a mediator is best for all

 

[Iamback]

Again you miss the point. Its ownership of that info. So my workplace cant share that medical info with my next workplace unless I give them permission to do so. Its legally defined and it seems the NRl is pushing for something that is outside the legal protections of the data information act.

What use is x players injury to anyone outside of the NRL environment?

So you seen the exact wording?

Do you think that the NRL lawyers would allow such a thing?

as @Frailty said, It is likely the language used that is getting the players backs up.

Reality is no one is going to want to buy it, As with all Workplaces after a set time the information is disposed of

 

[Perth Red]

What use is x players injury to anyone outside of the NRL environment?

So you seen the exact wording?

Do you think that the NRL lawyers would allow such a thing?

as @Frailty said, It is likely the language used that is getting the players backs up.

Reality is no one is going to want to buy it, As with all Workplaces after a set time the information is disposed of

I have no idea, and neither do you. And it doesnt matter we dont. The fact is the NRl cant own and do whatever it wants with a players medical data. The players are 100% right onths one, not that this is the biggie holding things up. Just the one for some bizarre reason fans on here have jumped on!

 

[Maximus]

Who is buying this data? What purpose would they want it for?

We have much bigger sports that private medical data isn't being sold

The club should certainly have it though, just for a general welfare kind of thing

You didn't answer the question. Would you give your employer ownership of your medical data, and the ability to sell it without notifying you? And if not, why do you think NRL players should?

 

[Maximus]

I think the key concern here is that it seems the RLPA are claiming that the NRL and clubs' use of the information is not in line with Privacy Laws and principles.

I know in my work, we collect personal information, which does include some medical information. We have this to be able to do our role, but we don't 'own' the information - we need consent on how it's used, and we have to abide by legislation on privacy and management of records.

There is a key difference between having medical information and owning it.

It's really quite easy to understand. It seems certain people are choosing not to understand because it doesn't fit their "the NRL is always right" stance