NRL Salary Cap/CBA -2023 - 2027

[Stinkfinger]

The attacks from the media against Newton have been appalling. Lol @ Hooper.

Gus ripping into him too. Says its about personal power. Not many things Nine and Fox agree on like this.

 

[Iamback]

Gus ripping into him too. Says its about personal power. Not many things Nine and Fox agree on like this.

they really need to get Jaime Buhrer as their mouth piece. Much better and likeable than Newton

 

[taste2taste]

What do people think of number 8 ? Does this mean the NRL will have to pay players to use thier images/game highlights in promos ?

In regards to the players GPS and medical records surely that's all linked to the 'hard ship' fund ? For example when Blake Ferguson wants money for his nose to be fixed ( I'm not making this up, he actually wanted the NRL to pay for it ) the arlc would want to check his nose was damaged during an NRL game and not from sniffing keys in Japan before paying for his surgery?

Or if player X wants money for knee surgery, the NRL would want to check the knee was damaged playing NRL and not 10 years after rietement playing bush footy.

 

[Iamback]

What do people think of number 8 ? Does this mean the NRL will have to pay players to use thier images/game highlights in promos ?

In regards to the players GPS and medical records surely that's all linked to the 'hard ship' fund ? For example when Blake Ferguson wants money for his nose to be fixed ( I'm not making this up, he actually wanted the NRL to pay for it ) the arlc would want to check his nose was damaged during an NRL game and not from sniffing keys in Japan before paying for his surgery?

Or if player X wants money for knee surgery, the NRL would want to check the knee was damaged playing NRL and not 10 years after rietement playing bush footy.

That is how I took 8 to read

Either hardship or workcover purposes is my read on the data.

Fergo's nose is an example of why the ARLC need to be involved in the discussions

 

[Frailty]

What do people think of number 8 ? Does this mean the NRL will have to pay players to use thier images/game highlights in promos ?

In regards to the players GPS and medical records surely that's all linked to the 'hard ship' fund ? For example when Blake Ferguson wants money for his nose to be fixed ( I'm not making this up, he actually wanted the NRL to pay for it ) the arlc would want to check his nose was damaged during an NRL game and not from sniffing keys in Japan before paying for his surgery?

Or if player X wants money for knee surgery, the NRL would want to check the knee was damaged playing NRL and not 10 years after rietement playing bush footy.

Number 8: Hard to determine what they mean by exploitation of player property (image). It may literally mean they want more definition on how player images and likeness can be used under NRL contracts, and that anything beyond that would need to be negotiated, etc. It's obviously different to NCAA using player likeness for video games, etc. and not paying players.

 

[Wb1234]

What do people think of number 8 ? Does this mean the NRL will have to pay players to use thier images/game highlights in promos ?

In regards to the players GPS and medical records surely that's all linked to the 'hard ship' fund ? For example when Blake Ferguson wants money for his nose to be fixed ( I'm not making this up, he actually wanted the NRL to pay for it ) the arlc would want to check his nose was damaged during an NRL game and not from sniffing keys in Japan before paying for his surgery?

Or if player X wants money for knee surgery, the NRL would want to check the knee was damaged playing NRL and not 10 years after rietement playing bush footy.

Hahahhaaha.
It was the keys in Japan that bent it

hahahahaa

 

[Captain Apollo]

Number 8: Hard to determine what they mean by exploitation of player property (image). It may literally mean they want more definition on how player images and likeness can be used under NRL contracts, and that anything beyond that would need to be negotiated, etc. It's obviously different to NCAA using player likeness for video games, etc. and not paying players.

Yep, in the NBA (for example) the NBA are licenced to use player images, but all money is put into a pool which is then paid out evenly to all players across the NBA. Michael Jordan was one who actually pulled the NBA being able to use his likeness as he felt he was being underpaid on it (iirc).

 

[Maximus]

What do people think of number 8 ? Does this mean the NRL will have to pay players to use thier images/game highlights in promos ?

Going to need more info than the FAQ has

What is the issue with player property?​

The NRL wants to reduce player property protection and give themselves the right to exploit individual player property.

In regards to the players GPS and medical records surely that's all linked to the 'hard ship' fund ? For example when Blake Ferguson wants money for his nose to be fixed ( I'm not making this up, he actually wanted the NRL to pay for it ) the arlc would want to check his nose was damaged during an NRL game and not from sniffing keys in Japan before paying for his surgery?

Or if player X wants money for knee surgery, the NRL would want to check the knee was damaged playing NRL and not 10 years after rietement playing bush footy.

That's possession of the data, and I don't believe anyone has argued against them possessing the data. The issue is that they want to claim ownership over that data, and the ability to sell it without consent from the players or even informing them that they've sold it.

People can come up with as many hypotheticals as they want, or question who would buy the data. None of that matters as none of those posts provide any reason for the NRL to own the medical data of players.

 

[taste2taste]

Going to need more info than the FAQ has

What is the issue with player property?​

The NRL wants to reduce player property protection and give themselves the right to exploit individual player property.




That's possession of the data, and I don't believe anyone has argued against them possessing the data. The issue is that they want to claim ownership over that data, and the ability to sell it without consent from the players or even informing them that they've sold it.

People can come up with as many hypotheticals as they want, or question who would buy the data. None of that matters as none of those posts provide any reason for the NRL to own the medical data of players.

The GPS data is a bit of a head scratcher, the majority of the RLPA requests seem reasonable, it would be interesting to see Abdo adress each piont.
When he's appeared on TV and radio he's been a bit wishy washy. (although, he has explained why the arlc want control over the hardship fund and he has stated the RLPA are wanting too much power and could make decisions that are detrimental to the game, he didn't go into great detail on either piont )

 

[Perth Red]

The GPS data is a bit of a head scratcher, the majority of the RLPA requests seem reasonable, it would be interesting to see Abdo adress each piont.
When he's appeared on TV and radio he's been a bit wishy washy. (although, he has explained why the arlc want control over the hardship fund and he has stated the RLPA are wanting too much power and could make decisions that are detrimental to the game, he didn't go into great detail on either piont )

They just keep going Back to money and how well off players will be under what the nrl is offering. Convenient control of the public perception so it makes the players look greedy for not agreeing.

In reality it’s mostly about control. Control of players info, control of payers image rights, control of players funds, agreement with players before major changes to game structure, control
/transparency of information on game revenue, control of how much rlpa is funded to do its job, etc etc

some real media manipulation going on in favour of nrl with newton the pantomime villain in it all. I have yet to see any interview grilling Abdo the same way they are newton.

 

[Iamback]

The GPS data is a bit of a head scratcher, the majority of the RLPA requests seem reasonable, it would be interesting to see Abdo adress each piont.
When he's appeared on TV and radio he's been a bit wishy washy. (although, he has explained why the arlc want control over the hardship fund and he has stated the RLPA are wanting too much power and could make decisions that are detrimental to the game, he didn't go into great detail on either piont )

Most of would be very boring, probably why you don't see too much detail from both sides.

Neither side is being shafted, That much we know.

Who owns the GPS data I think is more the issue there, We saw the Telstra tracker in Origin.

Luai didn't play in game 3, Does his numbers from the 1st 2 games become his? Or could Fittler and co use it to compare with Cody.

I guess you could argue both sides

For me the tests are the same.

Tonga are playing England in a 3 test series, There is no way the NRL know what Tonga are getting from that

 

[bad boy bubby]

Yes, but how and why that information is passed on is regulated. It's not just a free for all where the insurance companies can do as they please.

Any additional use outside of the consented process (which the individual consents to as part of lodgement) requires further consent to be sought. They insurance companies don't 'own' the information.

Have you ever had a workers comp claim? Been investigated?
I have, and they knew every little detail of previous times.
You do know that the majority of Insurance companies in Australia are owned/underwritten by the two big ones, Suncorp and AIG? They do have access to their smaller companies data, and when asked in an investigation they do provide it.
I've experienced it, so you can keep talking legalities but they have these issues covered.
I will say that I was actually quite upset when I found out that this happens, but it did save me as well because my case had nothing to do with anything else.
Insurance companies do try and get out of paying in any way they can, and like it or not, they are in bed with each other.

I daresay that this could be the path the NRL has been advised to take, for further claims once the players have retired? If the player has had a certain injury then it can be proof that it did, or did not, occur whilst playing, and it is indeed something they could be compensated with if it has. At least that's all i'd hope they could use it for.

 

[Frailty]

Have you ever had a workers comp claim? Been investigated?
I have, and they knew every little detail of previous times.
You do know that the majority of Insurance companies in Australia are owned/underwritten by the two big ones, Suncorp and AIG? They do have access to their smaller companies data, and when asked in an investigation they do provide it.
I've experienced it, so you can keep talking legalities but they have these issues covered.
I will say that I was actually quite upset when I found out that this happens, but it did save me as well because my case had nothing to do with anything else.
Insurance companies do try and get out of paying in any way they can, and like it or not, they are in bed with each other.

I daresay that this could be the path the NRL has been advised to take, for further claims once the players have retired? If the player has had a certain injury then it can be proof that it did, or did not, occur whilst playing, and it is indeed something they could be compensated with if it has. At least that's all i'd hope they could use it for.

Yes, the insurance agencies have these issues covered. They are lawfully acting within regulated parameters of the information that they store. It's not just the wild west of them being able to do anything they want with the information. If so, they would be doing a hell of a lot more than just using it as part of investigations.

And guess what, it's in those parameters that are agreed to by people who make claims (it's called terms and conditions).

Again, these companies do not OWN this information.

 

[Vee]

Newton and co acting like the players are 18th century coal miners stuck down a Yorkshire pit for 15 hours a day earning thruppence a week.

And pay mill owner for permission to come to work...

 

[Wb1234]

The players attitude seems to be any new sources of revenue they should get a share out of it directly

I’m shocked they don’t demand one turnstile at each game be turned over to the rlpa directly

 

[Maximus]

The players attitude seems to be any new sources of revenue they should get a share out of it directly

I’m shocked they don’t demand one turnstile at each game be turned over to the rlpa directly

If the revenue is related to the on-field product or their image, why shouldn't they get a share?

 

[Iamback]

If the revenue is related to the on-field product or their image, why shouldn't they get a share?

Is the revenue due to the player or the jersey?

again take the Telstra tracker from Origin.

Is it Luai, Walker or the NSW number 6 that generates the interest?

 

[Maximus]

Is the revenue due to the player or the jersey?

again take the Telstra tracker from Origin.

Is it Luai, Walker or the NSW number 6 that generates the interest?

Who do you think would generate more money. Luai or Bailey Hayward?

 

[Iamback]

Who do you think would generate more money. Luai or Bailey Hayward?

Who gets paid more?

Luai or Bailey Hayward.

What players bring personal sponsors to the game?

Those who are good get individual TPA's, The clubs/NRL as a whole bring in the sponsorship

 

[siv]

That is how I took 8 to read

Either hardship or workcover purposes is my read on the data.

Fergo's nose is an example of why the ARLC need to be involved in the discussions

And what about players who need knee surgery from playing FG before the NRL was formed ?