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NRL's growth mindset points to 18th team. And it ain't Perth.

Perth Red

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This is just as self interested, catering to a tiny niche, as any North Sydney fan, or a fantasist who wants the game to spend $200M so they can watch some idealised 3rd tier competition at the expense of player development.
It would be 2nd tier not third tier. Reserve grade isnt any tier, no one watches it and its there for the sole purpose of developing first grade players for the 1st tier. it would cost half that and have zero impact on NRL player development, arguably it will improve it with a proper reserve grade bringing more younger players through and another comp for passed over players to show they've got talent. The only losers really are the QRL and NSWRL, and maybe this would make them concentrate on participation and grass roots rather than the current top of the tree that they are.
 

mongoose

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So you're fine with Brisbane having the Magpies and Tigers' headquarters sitting just 7.4km from each other while Logan, which is a 40 year old city with about 360k people according to the Our Logan magazine -- spread out over an area of 958 km2 -- has none?

The QRL met with the Logan City Council a couple of years' ago about leasing land at Heritage Park for a Queensland Cup team.

The problems facing the Magpies are the same ones that condemned Pastoral Brothers Leprechauns, Fortitude Valley Diehards and Western Suburbs Panthers to death. They were too close to one another and competing with a larger competitor (Broncos). Magpies are too close to Tigers and also competing with the Lions. No wonder they've got no money. If they relocated full time to Logan then they could focus exclusively on developing players from all over the city, which would do more for the game than sitting unnoticed at the gentrified inner Brisbane suburb of West End.

How is broadening the Seagulls' reach "catering to a tiny niche"?

The combined population of Wynnum, Wynnum West, Manly and Manly West is around 40k. Redlands has a population greater than 150k and not far off 160k. Keeping the Seagulls as "Wynnum Manly" is the very definition of "catering to a tiny niche".
there is limited interest in the QLD cup... moving around some dots on a map isn't going to help. Are the people of Logan really crying out for a QLD cup team? it's not that far to Wynnum or Coorparoo....
 

Iamback

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You take out the professional players from QLD and NSW Cups, Get it back to semi professional comps and really opens more chances for new clubs or players
 

The Great Dane

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You take out the professional players from QLD and NSW Cups, Get it back to semi professional comps and really opens more chances for new clubs or players
You’re serious aren’t you lol.

You take the pros out of the QLD and NSW Cup and most of the clubs fold overnight, at that point each league would either disintegrate or revert to an irrelevant park football competition in Brisbane and Sydney respectively.
 

Iamback

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You’re serious aren’t you lol.

You take the pros out of the QLD and NSW Cup and most of the clubs fold overnight, at that point each league would either disintegrate or revert to an irrelevant park football competition in Brisbane and Sydney respectively.

So how do you get teams in new markets into semi professional football? If there is no semi professional football?
 

Colk

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So how do you get teams in new markets into semi professional football? If there is no semi professional football?

Why do you think it would become semi professional in your opinion instead of amateur football (which is the more likely option)
 

The Penguin #6.

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So the Panthers are going to invest in revenue streams other than pokies (odds are other forms of gambling...), what of it?

That doesn't change the fact that the NRL's priority should be it's sports and entertainment business, and that it's success should be measured against that. The fact that the Panthers, and other clubs, are so reliant on other forms of income to support themselves shows that something is very, very, wrong with either the NRL's or the club's business plans.

The Panthers Group has signed an agreement with Accor for a new five-star Pullman hotel at the Penrith Panthers precinct in Western Sydney.

Opening in the fourth quarter of 2023, the landmark precinct will consist of an upscale 153-room Pullman Sydney Penrith hotel, a 1,000-person conference centre and a community centre. The project will transform the area and create a new state-of-the-art business and entertainment destination for the local community and visitors alike.


Like I said earlier ` developing other income streams to replace the expected decline in gambling revenue`, but you don`t want to know that, it doesn`t suit your relentlessly negative agenda (see your response) and your small-minded attitude that that is all Rugby League Clubs are capable of. Look up the word conglomerate. Fortunately, these clubs are run by people with much greater foresight and imagination than you will ever have. You were obviously born an idiot, and true to form will die one.
 

Iamback

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Why do you think it would become semi professional in your opinion instead of amateur football (which is the more likely option)

It will still be the highest level of competition in the respective states. Rockhampton Leagues Club in particular spend $500k a year on the side to give locals the chance to compete against City teams they normally wouldn't get the chance to
 

Iamback

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The Panthers Group has signed an agreement with Accor for a new five-star Pullman hotel at the Penrith Panthers precinct in Western Sydney.

Opening in the fourth quarter of 2023, the landmark precinct will consist of an upscale 153-room Pullman Sydney Penrith hotel, a 1,000-person conference centre and a community centre. The project will transform the area and create a new state-of-the-art business and entertainment destination for the local community and visitors alike.


Like I said earlier ` developing other income streams to replace the expected decline in gambling revenue`, but you don`t want to know that, it doesn`t suit your relentlessly negative agenda (see your response) and your small-minded attitude that that is all Rugby League Clubs are capable of. Look up the word conglomerate. Fortunately, these clubs are run by people with much greater foresight and imagination than you will ever have. You were obviously born an idiot, and true to form will die one.

Brian Fletcher said it himself, Young people aren't playing pokies so there is a stack of stuff


These are in the carpark, The flow on with be into the restaurants on the premises

They also have an $850m development with the council to have a shopping Centre in the complex
 

Iamback

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Delivering a 150room hotel and conference centre by Q4 in 2023, may be the most unrealistic timeframe posted in this entire thread.

It started in 2020, Then was paused and started up again last year
 
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The Penguin #6.

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" Located in the heart of Sydney’s Penrith, The Royce comprises an exceptional living retirement community together with a warm and welcoming Aged Care home, offering you support every step of the way."


These are in the carpark, The flow on with be into the restaurants on the premises
It could only happen in Penrith, naming a retirement village ` The Royce `. I`m surprised it hasn`t got an attached over 55`s nightspot called ` Simmo`s `. And what this business of it being situated in the carpark. Oh ! Penrith, only been there once and someone gave me a hard time for carrying an umbrella ! Soft !
 

Iamback

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" Located in the heart of Sydney’s Penrith, The Royce comprises an exceptional living retirement community together with a warm and welcoming Aged Care home, offering you support every step of the way."



It could only happen in Penrith, naming a retirement village ` The Royce `. I`m surprised it hasn`t got an attached over 55`s nightspot called ` Simmo`s `. And what this business of it being situated in the carpark. Oh ! Penrith, only been there once and someone gave me a hard time for carrying an umbrella ! Soft !

Hahaha. The Chairman of the club actually lives there
 

Wb1234

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How much funding does the QLD Cup as a whole get? Here I was thinking QRL got the money from the NRL to fund things like the Mal Meninga Cup and Colts team

Rockhampton Leagues Club funds Capras and would stop if a few players stopped playing?

https://www.capras.com.au/players

None of these will play NRL in 2023 anyway

There won't be an NYC. Having no fulltimers opens up the comp for the likes of Perth to enter and be some what competitive
The Panthers Group has signed an agreement with Accor for a new five-star Pullman hotel at the Penrith Panthers precinct in Western Sydney.

Opening in the fourth quarter of 2023, the landmark precinct will consist of an upscale 153-room Pullman Sydney Penrith hotel, a 1,000-person conference centre and a community centre. The project will transform the area and create a new state-of-the-art business and entertainment destination for the local community and visitors alike.


Like I said earlier ` developing other income streams to replace the expected decline in gambling revenue`, but you don`t want to know that, it doesn`t suit your relentlessly negative agenda (see your response) and your small-minded attitude that that is all Rugby League Clubs are capable of. Look up the word conglomerate. Fortunately, these clubs are run by people with much greater foresight and imagination than you will ever have. You were obviously born an idiot, and true to form will die one.
he even bagged the dolphins saying what a mistake it was adding another team that relies upon gambling when they own a shopping centre lol

I think Penrith is also waiting on approval for a shopping centre too

it’s so good seeing rugby league clubs amassing these large property portfolios
 
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there is limited interest in the QLD cup... moving around some dots on a map isn't going to help. Are the people of Logan really crying out for a QLD cup team? it's not that far to Wynnum or Coorparoo....
If you live in Park Ridge you will drive for more than 50 minutes to reach Langlands Park.

Kougari Oval is even further away.

Queensland Cup should be for regions without an NRL team that's within a reasonable driving distance. Inner Brisbane doesn't need three Queensland Cup clubs when it has the Broncos.

The Scorpions drew good crowds despite being a basket case on and off the field.

It's been awhile since Magpies played at Meakin Park, but crowds were always strong.
 
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The Panthers Group has signed an agreement with Accor for a new five-star Pullman hotel at the Penrith Panthers precinct in Western Sydney.

Opening in the fourth quarter of 2023, the landmark precinct will consist of an upscale 153-room Pullman Sydney Penrith hotel, a 1,000-person conference centre and a community centre. The project will transform the area and create a new state-of-the-art business and entertainment destination for the local community and visitors alike.


Like I said earlier ` developing other income streams to replace the expected decline in gambling revenue`, but you don`t want to know that, it doesn`t suit your relentlessly negative agenda (see your response) and your small-minded attitude that that is all Rugby League Clubs are capable of. Look up the word conglomerate. Fortunately, these clubs are run by people with much greater foresight and imagination than you will ever have. You were obviously born an idiot, and true to form will die one.
Smart decision by the Panthers to create new revenue streams.

How much profit do they make from real estate investments?
 

Iamback

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he even bagged the dolphins saying what a mistake it was adding another team that relies upon gambling when they own a shopping centre lol

I think Penrith is also waiting on approval for a shopping centre too

it’s so good seeing rugby league clubs amassing these large property portfolios

Like the Perth RL team, Pokie den will soon be irrelevant
 

Colk

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It will still be the highest level of competition in the respective states. Rockhampton Leagues Club in particular spend $500k a year on the side to give locals the chance to compete against City teams they normally wouldn't get the chance to

I’m sure ‘professional’ rugby league players are going to play in a bush competition with no link to first grade. You pretty much make every competition outside of NRL irrelevant. Forget about any growth.
 

siv

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Jesus wept. I’ll make this simple.

QRL and NSWRL attain money from broadcasters, sponsors as well as from the ARLC to run these competitions because they are considered to be the second grade competitions. Right, where do you think this money is going to go if this is replaced by a NRL Reserve Grade competition? Do you think the Capras or the Mackay Cutters or other far flung areas are still going to have the money to be an entrant in a Statewide Amateur competition when you take the money away from this competition?

In this absence, who is going to fund these areas? Assuming you are going to say NRL clubs will. Considering some of the dire stories you hear of regional football in NSW I don’t think that is a good model at all.

Lastly, they will go - you know why? NRL squad numbers will have to increase to 40 and even more if you add an NYC competition so clubs are going to have to pull this talent from somewhere.

Furthermore, if the Capras or Mackay Cutters somehow survive long term, they won’t have the money to purchase players and no player with any dreams of playing NRL will go there.

All this idea does is migrate talent from regions like Central Queensland etc to Brisbane in a lot of cases before they are ready to do so and if they initially fail (say play NYC and fail to make a reserve grade squad) that’s their career.
Money goes to the QRL and NSWRL from the ARLC before they send it to Qld Cup and NSW Cup teams

No reason why state leagues grant should not remain as is
 

siv

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I’m sure ‘professional’ rugby league players are going to play in a bush competition with no link to first grade. You pretty much make every competition outside of NRL irrelevant. Forget about any growth.
All of the current links can remain

Just feeding into National RG
 

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