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NRL's growth mindset points to 18th team. And it ain't Perth.

Gobsmacked

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AFL good.
NRL lazy.

Endless repetitive praise for his Idol Gil.

League fan? I think not.
This is Perth red.
Rugby league fan from North England.
Moved to the closest port and easiest place to find a job in Australia- Perth.
Envy of AFL because they have teams there and sad he can't have League anymore.
Love the sun and cushy job so he can't leave back to England to enjoy the beautiful game of RL
So comes on here bashing on the table hoping to bounce a team all the way to WA.
Every single comment is in pure self interest, which is a team in WA.
He'll bag everything that doesn't point to a team on his doorstep.
Most biased commentator on the forum except Te Kah.
 

Pneuma

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This is Perth red.
Rugby league fan from North England.
Moved to the closest port and easiest place to find a job in Australia- Perth.
Envy of AFL because they have teams there and sad he can't have League anymore.
Love the sun and cushy job so he can't leave back to England to enjoy the beautiful game of RL
So comes on here bashing on the table hoping to bounce a team all the way to WA.
Every single comment is in pure self interest, which is a team in WA.
He'll bag everything that doesn't point to a team on his doorstep.
Most biased commentator on the forum except Te Kah.
Bang on mate! 10 out of 10!
 

Gobsmacked

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Not if all the stands are empty... A Thurs night game at ANZ with 16k people, I quickly change the channel
That's actually the strangest reason to change the channel...
Other people aren't where couldn't be bothered going, so I'm not watching.
Changing to farmer wants a wife- where there's 2 people and a camera crew...
Muppet.
 

Wb1234

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This is Perth red.
Rugby league fan from North England.
Moved to the closest port and easiest place to find a job in Australia- Perth.
Envy of AFL because they have teams there and sad he can't have League anymore.
Love the sun and cushy job so he can't leave back to England to enjoy the beautiful game of RL
So comes on here bashing on the table hoping to bounce a team all the way to WA.
Every single comment is in pure self interest, which is a team in WA.
He'll bag everything that doesn't point to a team on his doorstep.
Most biased commentator on the forum except Te Kah.
If you look at the state of rugby league in England you would do the opposite of whatever they think

imagine actually being a rugby league fan then coming to Australia and picking one of the two states that don’t play the game

then blame the nrl for it

I’d have come to Sydney and lived in a city where the game I supposedly love is the dominant sport

where you are spoiled for choice of games too and people to talk to the game about
 
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That's why the NRL grant is more than enough to cover all thier cap and expenses.

If that was true then the clubs wouldn't keep on demanding more money when their licence agreements are up for renewal. They were given 130% of the salary cap by John Grant around a decade ago. Now they want $5,000,000 on top of the salary cap. When the current licencing agreement is up for renewal they will want even more. This is money that could be used on developing the game at the grassroots level across the country.

Clubs from Sydney are still relying on handouts from their League Clubs to cover their shortfalls from football operations.

They generate tv revenue, which is reimbursed through the grant.

You're looking at an outdated model.
Irrelevant.
The Storm football operations are practically nothing .. but they're the most watched NRL team..
Which in reality means they're worth a bucket load to the NRL.

Can you show me the revenue that the Storm generate from football operations?

The Storm sold their gaming machines.

Broncos earn about $24m from football operations. Cowboys earn about $16m. That's more than what they get from the annual grant and allows them to invest money on infrastructure that gives them an advantage over the smaller clubs.

Catch up mate.
I'm living in the real world. There's no guarantee that the money we are receiving from the broadcasters will continue.

The WWF used to generate a fortune from their PPVs. Now they're provided on a streaming service who charge the viewer a tenth of what the WWF got from selling PPV subscriptions in the 1990s. Back in the 1990s people were paying $49.95 to view a PPV. Now they can get it for about $5 via Peacock in America. While it's true that the WWE is now getting guaranteed income from the company who runs the streaming service, it's not guaranteed to continue unless both parties are benefiting. There's no guarantee WWE will get as much money from their next broadcast deal with Peacock, Fox and USA Network because ratings have dropped to their lowest level ever and McMahon is selling the company before the current deal expires. Last year the WWE got about $200m for Smackdown and the broadcaster who had the rights rended up losing about $130m.
 

Canard

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If that was true then the clubs wouldn't keep on demanding more money when their licence agreements are up for renewal. They were given 130% of the salary cap by John Grant around a decade ago. Now they want $5,000,000 on top of the salary cap. When the current licencing agreement is up for renewal they will want even more. This is money that could be used on developing the game at the grassroots level across the country.

Clubs from Sydney are still relying on handouts from their League Clubs to cover their shortfalls from football operations.



Can you show me the revenue that the Storm generate from football operations?

The Storm sold their gaming machines.

Broncos earn about $24m from football operations. Cowboys earn about $16m. That's more than what they get from the annual grant and allows them to invest money on infrastructure that gives them an advantage over the smaller clubs.


I'm living in the real world. There's no guarantee that the money we are receiving from the broadcasters will continue.

The WWF used to generate a fortune from their PPVs. Now they're provided on a streaming service who charge the viewer a tenth of what the WWF got from selling PPV subscriptions in the 1990s. Back in the 1990s people were paying $49.95 to view a PPV. Now they can get it for about $5 via Peacock in America. While it's true that the WWE is now getting guaranteed income from the company who runs the streaming service, it's not guaranteed to continue unless both parties are benefiting. There's no guarantee WWE will get as much money from their next broadcast deal with Peacock, Fox and USA Network because ratings have dropped to their lowest level ever and McMahon is selling the company before the current deal expires. Last year the WWE got about $200m for Smackdown and the broadcaster who had the rights rended up losing about $130m.

If Broadcasting revenue suddenly drops, which there hasn't been a case of this occurring in any actual real sport in the Anglosphere yet, then every professional sport is f**ked.
 

Perth Red

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This is Perth red.
Rugby league fan from North England.
Moved to the closest port and easiest place to find a job in Australia- Perth.
Envy of AFL because they have teams there and sad he can't have League anymore.
Love the sun and cushy job so he can't leave back to England to enjoy the beautiful game of RL
So comes on here bashing on the table hoping to bounce a team all the way to WA.
Every single comment is in pure self interest, which is a team in WA.
He'll bag everything that doesn't point to a team on his doorstep.
Most biased commentator on the forum except Te Kah.
yawn, and here we go again Play the ball not the man. When you've watched the game around the world as much as I have come back and we'll have chat about whose the biggest RL fan.
 

Perth Red

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That's actually the strangest reason to change the channel...
Other people aren't where couldn't be bothered going, so I'm not watching.
Changing to farmer wants a wife- where there's 2 people and a camera crew...
Muppet.
If theres a full stadium and great atmosphere it makes the game on Tv come across far better. Ive pretty much stopped watching games at ANZ, it looks dreadful.
 
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Where did the Doggies finish in the ranking of clubs at the end of the 98 season?

Admission criteria
All clubs had to meet a Basic Criteria based on playing facilities, administration, solvency and development.

To determine which teams survived, clubs were ranked for the 1995, 1996, 1998 and 1999 seasons on:

Home crowds (1. Broncos, 2. Knights, 3. Eels);
Away crowds (1. Broncos, 2. Eels. 3. Roosters);
Competition points (1. Storm, 2. Broncos, 3. Bulldogs);
Gate receipts (1. Broncos, 2. Storm, 3. Knights);
Profitability (1. Bulldogs, 2. Panthers, 3. Sharks), and;
Sponsorship (1. Knights, 2. Broncos, 3. Cowboys).

Clubs were also required to have a minimum revenue of $8 million per season, including gate receipts of $1.25m and net sponsorship of $2.5m.

While the three Sydney clubs who had aligned with Super League – Canterbury, Penrith and Cronulla – were considered the most profitable, every non-Sydney club produced larger gate receipts than their Sydney rivals.

The final rankings were:

1 Brisbane, 2 Newcastle, 3 Melbourne, 4 Canterbury, 5 Cronulla, 6 Sydney Roosters, 7 Parramatta, 8 North Queensland, 9 Warriors, 10 Canberra, 11 Manly, 12 Penrith, 13 Balmain, 14 North Sydney 15 Western Suburbs, 16 South Sydney.

St George Illawarra were not included as they had merged at the end of the 1998 season – meaning Norths, Wests and Souths were excluded from the 2000 premiership.


The two criterion that boosted the Bulldogs were a) competition points from 95, 96, 98 and 98 and b) profitability.

The three most "profitable" clubs were the three from Sydney who signed with Super League.

How much money were the Panthers, Bulldogs and Sharks given to sign with News Ltd in 1995?

The key takeaway from the criterion is this line:

Clubs were also required to have a minimum revenue of $8 million per season, including gate receipts of $1.25m and net sponsorship of $2.5m.​

In 2019 the Bulldogs failed to meet this criterion. Their revenue from football operations was just $7,832,705.

Why do you think culling one of the biggest teams in the League is sensible thinking?

Why do you continue to lie about the Bulldogs' size?

You've repeated this lie about them being "one of the biggest" teams, despite me showing you that they're a mid-sized team at best.

The Gemba Report ranked them 10th in terms of fans from their survey and listed them as having just 15k members. Only four clubs in the NRL had less than 15k members. The average membership number for "small" teams was 14k.

Don't take my word for it mate.

Go see for yourself on p53 of the Gemba Report.


You have been shown this statistic before, so don't pretend you're unaware of it.

Can you show me the average crowds and members of Sydney teams for the last Decade? And where do the Dogs rank?

That'll take some work, so I'll collate that when I have time.
 
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This is Perth red.
Rugby league fan from North England.
Moved to the closest port and easiest place to find a job in Australia- Perth.
Envy of AFL because they have teams there and sad he can't have League anymore.
Love the sun and cushy job so he can't leave back to England to enjoy the beautiful game of RL
So comes on here bashing on the table hoping to bounce a team all the way to WA.
Every single comment is in pure self interest, which is a team in WA.
He'll bag everything that doesn't point to a team on his doorstep.
Most biased commentator on the forum except Te Kah.
Do you not think it's selfish and short-sighted for NSWRL fans to believe nine small clubs in Sydney are more important than prospective teams in Adelaide and Perth?

The game can afford to lose a few Sydney clubs as there will still be more than enough to satisfy rugby league fans from the market. Rugby League fans in Adelaide and Perth have no team to support.
 

Pneuma

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If theres a full stadium and great atmosphere it makes the game on Tv come across far better. Ive pretty much stopped watching games at ANZ, it looks dreadful.
Jesus do you ever stop? The TV ratings prove that dross buggers like you are the exception. Normal people watch football for the football. You must be a really unpleasant human to live with.
 

Canard

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Admission criteria
All clubs had to meet a Basic Criteria based on playing facilities, administration, solvency and development.

To determine which teams survived, clubs were ranked for the 1995, 1996, 1998 and 1999 seasons on:

Home crowds (1. Broncos, 2. Knights, 3. Eels);
Away crowds (1. Broncos, 2. Eels. 3. Roosters);
Competition points (1. Storm, 2. Broncos, 3. Bulldogs);
Gate receipts (1. Broncos, 2. Storm, 3. Knights);
Profitability (1. Bulldogs, 2. Panthers, 3. Sharks), and;
Sponsorship (1. Knights, 2. Broncos, 3. Cowboys).

Clubs were also required to have a minimum revenue of $8 million per season, including gate receipts of $1.25m and net sponsorship of $2.5m.

While the three Sydney clubs who had aligned with Super League – Canterbury, Penrith and Cronulla – were considered the most profitable, every non-Sydney club produced larger gate receipts than their Sydney rivals.

The final rankings were:

1 Brisbane, 2 Newcastle, 3 Melbourne, 4 Canterbury, 5 Cronulla, 6 Sydney Roosters, 7 Parramatta, 8 North Queensland, 9 Warriors, 10 Canberra, 11 Manly, 12 Penrith, 13 Balmain, 14 North Sydney 15 Western Suburbs, 16 South Sydney.

St George Illawarra were not included as they had merged at the end of the 1998 season – meaning Norths, Wests and Souths were excluded from the 2000 premiership.


The two criterion that boosted the Bulldogs were a) competition points from 95, 96, 98 and 98 and b) profitability.

The three most "profitable" clubs were the three from Sydney who signed with Super League.

How much money were the Panthers, Bulldogs and Sharks given to sign with News Ltd in 1995?

The key takeaway from the criterion is this line:

Clubs were also required to have a minimum revenue of $8 million per season, including gate receipts of $1.25m and net sponsorship of $2.5m.​

In 2019 the Bulldogs failed to meet this criterion. Their revenue from football operations was just $7,832,705.



Why do you continue to lie about the Bulldogs' size?

You've repeated this lie about them being "one of the biggest" teams, despite me showing you that they're a mid-sized team at best.

The Gemba Report ranked them 10th in terms of fans from their survey and listed them as having just 15k members. Only four clubs in the NRL had less than 15k members. The average membership number for "small" teams was 14k.

Don't take my word for it mate.

Go see for yourself on p53 of the Gemba Report.


You have been shown this statistic before, so don't pretend you're unaware of it.



That'll take some work, so I'll collate that when I have time.

A cherry picked stat from 2019 shouldn't be the basis for kicking out clubs.

In the list Decade the Doggies average crowd has matched any club in Sydney.

Whether you like it or not, they are a big club.
 

Pneuma

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Do you not think it's selfish and short-sighted for NSWRL fans to believe nine small clubs in Sydney are more important than prospective teams in Adelaide and Perth?

The game can afford to lose a few Sydney clubs as there will still be more than enough to satisfy rugby league fans from the market. Rugby League fans in Adelaide and Perth have no team to support.
Potato
 

Canard

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Do you not think it's selfish and short-sighted for NSWRL fans to believe nine small clubs in Sydney are more important than prospective teams in Adelaide and Perth?

The game can afford to lose a few Sydney clubs as there will still be more than enough to satisfy rugby league fans from the market. Rugby League fans in Adelaide and Perth have no team to support.

Do you honestly think that someone who has followed a club there whole lives is "selfish" for not wanting to see there club cease to exist?
 

Pneuma

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Admission criteria​
All clubs had to meet a Basic Criteria based on playing facilities, administration, solvency and development.​
To determine which teams survived, clubs were ranked for the 1995, 1996, 1998 and 1999 seasons on:​
Home crowds (1. Broncos, 2. Knights, 3. Eels);​
Away crowds (1. Broncos, 2. Eels. 3. Roosters);​
Competition points (1. Storm, 2. Broncos, 3. Bulldogs);​
Gate receipts (1. Broncos, 2. Storm, 3. Knights);​
Profitability (1. Bulldogs, 2. Panthers, 3. Sharks), and;​
Sponsorship (1. Knights, 2. Broncos, 3. Cowboys).​
Clubs were also required to have a minimum revenue of $8 million per season, including gate receipts of $1.25m and net sponsorship of $2.5m.​
While the three Sydney clubs who had aligned with Super League – Canterbury, Penrith and Cronulla – were considered the most profitable, every non-Sydney club produced larger gate receipts than their Sydney rivals.​
The final rankings were:​
1 Brisbane, 2 Newcastle, 3 Melbourne, 4 Canterbury, 5 Cronulla, 6 Sydney Roosters, 7 Parramatta, 8 North Queensland, 9 Warriors, 10 Canberra, 11 Manly, 12 Penrith, 13 Balmain, 14 North Sydney 15 Western Suburbs, 16 South Sydney.​
St George Illawarra were not included as they had merged at the end of the 1998 season – meaning Norths, Wests and Souths were excluded from the 2000 premiership.​

The two criterion that boosted the Bulldogs were a) competition points from 95, 96, 98 and 98 and b) profitability.

The three most "profitable" clubs were the three from Sydney who signed with Super League.

How much money were the Panthers, Bulldogs and Sharks given to sign with News Ltd in 1995?

The key takeaway from the criterion is this line:

Clubs were also required to have a minimum revenue of $8 million per season, including gate receipts of $1.25m and net sponsorship of $2.5m.​

In 2019 the Bulldogs failed to meet this criterion. Their revenue from football operations was just $7,832,705.



Why do you continue to lie about the Bulldogs' size?

You've repeated this lie about them being "one of the biggest" teams, despite me showing you that they're a mid-sized team at best.

The Gemba Report ranked them 10th in terms of fans from their survey and listed them as having just 15k members. Only four clubs in the NRL had less than 15k members. The average membership number for "small" teams was 14k.

Don't take my word for it mate.

Go see for yourself on p53 of the Gemba Report.


You have been shown this statistic before, so don't pretend you're unaware of it.



That'll take some work, so I'll collate that when I have time.
So let me guess. You’re not a fan of Sydney clubs? Or am I missing something?
 

Pneuma

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With so much leisure options out there why watch a sport you don’t like much and want to change totally to meet your needs ?
These two probably share texts on Thursday nights ‘watching the league?’ ‘Nah crowds too small. I’m watching the afl instead. Shit game but I’m really enjoying the crowd!!’
‘Yeah what a great crowd, I’m really enjoying the crowd!’.
 

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