NRL's growth mindset points to 18th team. And it ain't Perth.

[Wb1234]

To be honest you`re a bit sad mate with your continual half glass empty attitude in the guise of `telling it how it is`.
I read an interview with the Panthers CEO the other day and he said it is becoming obvious to them that the younger generation have nowhere near the attraction to pokies that the older generation has. He said Panthers Group are preparing for a time coming soon when pokie revenue will make a much smaller part of their revenue. They are basically looking to diversify their income streams.
I think we can assume this will be a nationwide trend.
My definition of success - winning or nearly winning comp`s. The grant - that`s their share of the revenue the competition they are in generates, it`s not a Gov`t handout or charity - they`ve earned it. Back to pokie revenue, it won`t last for ever, rich clubs will diversify their incomes to support the thing that the whole shebang is there to run, the thing they love, their NRL team and Rugby League club.

Yeh that guy has been posting negative stuff for over ten years

can’t remember when he’s ever said a single positive thing about rugby league

imagine trying to argue the dolphins won’t be a massive success

 

[Canard]

You can blame QRL for that, they are also stopping a National Reserve grade comp

Cause it would kill off any QRL side instantly. It would be f**king stupid to have Queensland State League replaced by 3 or 4 Reserve grade NRL teams

 

[Colk]

Cause it would kill off any QRL side instantly. It would be f**king stupid to have Queensland State League replaced by 3 or 4 Reserve grade NRL teams

Exactly.

 

[The Great Dane]

To be honest you`re a bit sad mate with your continual half glass empty attitude in the guise of `telling it how it is`.

You can go f**k yourself with such nonsense.

If you want to live in an ivory tower in Sydney and pretend everything is hunky-dory that is your business, but trying to bully others out of airing criticism doesn't make that criticism illegitimate or make it go away.

I read an interview with the Panthers CEO the other day and he said it is becoming obvious to them that the younger generation have nowhere near the attraction to pokies that the older generation has. He said Panthers Group are preparing for a time coming soon when pokie revenue will make a much smaller part of their revenue. They are basically looking to diversify their income streams.

So the Panthers are going to invest in revenue streams other than pokies (odds are other forms of gambling...), what of it?

That doesn't change the fact that the NRL's priority should be it's sports and entertainment business, and that it's success should be measured against that. The fact that the Panthers, and other clubs, are so reliant on other forms of income to support themselves shows that something is very, very, wrong with either the NRL's or the club's business plans.

My definition of success - winning or nearly winning comp`s.

Then you're a bigger moron than I thought. It was obvious that I was talking about commercial success, and not success on the field.

The Dolphins could win the comp next season and then promptly got broke the one after, would that make them successful?

The grant - that`s their share of the revenue the competition they are in generates, it`s not a Gov`t handout or charity - they`ve earned it.

Again, go f**k yourself.

To get enough funding so the grants covered the salary cap, and then some, John Grant had to take money that was earmarked for the grassroots, development, and investment, and that situation has only got worse since covid. In other words the clubs didn't earn shit, they simply used their power within the game to strong-arm resources in a classic case of the powerful taking from the weak, and the game is worse off for it.

Furthermore, the clubs wouldn't be reliant on the grant if they were successful businesses in their own right.
In a functional system the club's should be self-sustaining and making money that the NRL can then use to reinvest in the interests of whole. You know, like a normal franchising arrangement where the franchisee pays the franchisor for services and the right to use their IP, and the franchisor takes the majority of that money and reinvests it back into the business through marketing campaigns, training programs, etc.

Back to pokie revenue, it won`t last for ever, rich clubs will diversify their incomes to support the thing that the whole shebang is there to run, the thing they love, their NRL team and Rugby League club.

I agree that the clubs are only out for themselves, that's a large part of the problem.

The NRL and ARLC's mandate is to grow the game and work in the best interests of sport, not solely in the interests of the 17 professional clubs. Unfortunately that fact has been lost on most people, and that is largely responsible for RL stagnating in recent times.

 

[The Great Dane]

Cause it would kill off any QRL side instantly. It would be f**king stupid to have Queensland State League replaced by 3 or 4 Reserve grade NRL teams

It's going to kill the Bears, Jets, and Mounties as well.

The Roosters have announced that they're going to run their own NSW Cup side from 2024, and as such won't be renewing their deal with the Bears.

The Bears will only be able to survive for so long without an NRL club to a partner with, but PVL has gone on a crusade to get three games back on game day, because apparently "the fans" want it, and he's willing to pay the NSW/ACT NRL sides to run their own NSW Cup teams, so what are you gonna do.

 

[Colk]

It's going to kill the Bears, Jets, and Mounties as well.

The Roosters have announced that they're going to run their own NSW Cup side from 2024, and as such won't be renewing their deal with the Bears.

The Bears will only be able to survive for so long without an NRL club to a partner with, but PVL has gone on a crusade to get three games back on game day, because apparently "the fans" want it, and he's willing to pay the NSW/ACT NRL sides to run their own NSW Cup teams, so what are you gonna do.

Ridiculous decision. How many people are really going to watch three games. A couple of hundred tops. Maybe a thousand if you’re lucky.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Ridiculous decision. How many people are really going to watch three games. A couple of hundred tops. Maybe a thousand if you’re lucky.

Queensland Cup games generate about 500 to 1,000 people at a rate of $10 per person over 14. If V'landys brings in reserve grade to replace Queensland Cup he'll be depriving the clubs of about $5,000 from gate receipts per Queensland Cup game, plus the money generated from the sale of alcohol, food and merchandise. It may not sound like much, but for the clubs it is a lot of money. More importantly, it's a revenue stream for RL that's independent of the broadcast rights. There's also corporate suites that are sold at a higher price at clubs like Wynnum Manly. V'landys is willing to kill this off to bring in another two grades that won't draw any extra revenue.

Queensland Cup teams like Wynnum Manly have dozens of sponsors.

How many would stick around if the Queensland Cup became no bigger than an amateur league?

 

[The Great Dane]

Ridiculous decision. How many people are really going to watch three games. A couple of hundred tops. Maybe a thousand if you’re lucky.

Going off my own personal experience you'd be doing really well to get even half that showing up early enough for kick-off for the game before the NRL, no matter whether that game is the NSW Cup, NRLW, or any other.

Can't imagine how few would show up for the fist game of the day. I'd be highly sceptical if a club were to claim more than between 50-100, and majority of those would be the loved ones of the players and sponsors of the team, not paying customers.

 

[Wb1234]

Ridiculous decision. How many people are really going to watch three games. A couple of hundred tops. Maybe a thousand if you’re lucky.

It used to be hugely popular when it was used

you would arrive at half time for reserve grade usually with the more hardcore fans there for the under 21

 

[Colk]

It used to be hugely popular when it was used

you would arrive at half time for reserve grade usually with the more hardcore fans there for the under 21

Still nowhere near enough to warrant killing (maybe not killing them totally but rendering them as pretty much amateur clubs) pretty much for the sake of a stupid reserve grade competition.

 

[Bukowski]

It used to be hugely popular when it was used

you would arrive at half time for reserve grade usually with the more hardcore fans there for the under 21

That's when first grade started about 10 mins after reserve grade finished. That hour or so between games has killed off any early crowd numbers.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Would bringing back reserve grade and colts lead to an increase in ticket prices?

If not then it's just another expense added to the game. At least we can recoup some of the expense from Queensland Cup and NSW Cup by having people pay $10 for entry.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Still nowhere near enough to warrant killing (maybe not killing them totally but rendering them as pretty much amateur clubs) pretty much for the sake of a stupid reserve grade competition.

You know what these hillbillies are like. They would kill Queensland Cup and NSW Cup just so they can pretend game day is like it was in 1984. The saddest thing is the idiots sit there and act as if they're being wronged because the QRL refuses to sacrifice the Queensland Cup just so these hillbillies can get their way. None of them would even bother to turn up to watch reserves and colts.

Next to no one turned up to watch the National Youth Competition. Those who were early would be at the bar chatting with other people.

 

[Perth Red]

Queensland Cup games generate about 500 to 1,000 people at a rate of $10 per person over 14. If V'landys brings in reserve grade to replace Queensland Cup he'll be depriving the clubs of about $5,000 from gate receipts per Queensland Cup game, plus the money generated from the sale of alcohol, food and merchandise. It may not sound like much, but for the clubs it is a lot of money. More importantly, it's a revenue stream for RL that's independent of the broadcast rights. There's also corporate suites that are sold at a higher price at clubs like Wynnum Manly. V'landys is willing to kill this off to bring in another two grades that won't draw any extra revenue.

Queensland Cup teams like Wynnum Manly have dozens of sponsors.

How many would stick around if the Queensland Cup became no bigger than an amateur league?

If the nrl had signed a tv deal the size of afls we could have used a chunk of it to develop a professional second division so that didn’t happen. This is where the $200mill plus revenue difference a year comes home to roost, not haveing the money to do things the game could do to grow significantly. I’d suggest that qrl clubs in a proper competition, not a pseudo reserve grade, could be even more succesful at attracting fans and sponsors.

 

[Colk]

You know what these hillbillies are like. They would kill Queensland Cup and NSW Cup just so they can pretend game day is like it was in 1984. The saddest thing is the idiots sit there and act as if they're being wronged because the QRL refuses to sacrifice the Queensland Cup just so these hillbillies can get their way. None of them would even bother to turn up to watch reserves and colts.

Next to no one turned up to watch the National Youth Competition. Those who were early would be at the bar chatting with other people.

I actually liked the National Youth Competition and it had some very good benefits. It was extremely beneficial to somebody like the Warriors.

Can’t say the same for this idea of ripping apart the Qld Cup competition and some NSWRL clubs just so a handful of people can watch three grades.

 

[Wb1234]

Still nowhere near enough to warrant killing (maybe not killing them totally but rendering them as pretty much amateur clubs) pretty much for the sake of a stupid reserve grade competition.

I love this forum with the takes it makes

yeh giving paying fans more games to watch on game day is a bad thing for the game

next you will make a comment about how the arlc is doing nothing to grow crowds

 

[Colk]

I love this forum with the takes it makes

yeh giving paying fans more games to watch on game day is a bad thing for the game

next you will make a comment about how the arlc is doing nothing to grow crowds

How do you think this decision would impact the Newtown Jets or the Mounties? Take Cronulla’s reserve grade players away from Newtown and force them to conjure up a reserve grade and where does that leave Newtown?

What about all the QRL sides who have clubs like the Burleigh Bears, Wynnum Manly, Norths Devils some of which have history exceeding Sydney NRL sides? Do you think a Brisbane Broncos or Gold Coast Titans reserve grade wouldn’t impact the QRL sides considering they are going to take talent from those sides? What is the QRL Cup then - a third division comp?

Lastly, after all of this, how many people are really going to make the effort to watch these games? Are they going to supersede the people already watching second grade games.

You can also create a proper second grade competition without having all the NRL sides field a second grade side, or create more content prior to a first grade match without doing this

 

[Perth Red]

How do you think this decision would impact the Newtown Jets or the Mounties? Take Cronulla’s reserve grade players away from Newtown and force them to conjure up a reserve grade and where does that leave Newtown?

What about all the QRL sides who have clubs like the Burleigh Bears, Wynnum Manly, Norths Devils some of which have history exceeding Sydney NRL sides? Do you think a Brisbane Broncos or Gold Coast Titans reserve grade wouldn’t impact the QRL sides considering they are going to take talent from those sides? What is the QRL Cup then - a third division comp?

Lastly, after all of this, how many people are really going to make the effort to watch these games? Are they going to supersede the people already watching second grade games.

You can also create a proper second grade competition without having all the NRL sides field a second grade side, or create more content prior to a first grade match without doing this

At the Moment there are 26 qrl cup and nsw cup clubs. make 17 reserve grade sides and you’ve still got the current players available for 9 second tier clubs, then add in some new clubs in new areas. A proper second tier comp gives players that will never make nrl an opportunity to still earn a reasonable wage playing rl. Theres an argument the current 12 nsw cup reserve grade structure prevents other regions being able to progress up to that level.

 

[Colk]

At the Moment there are 26 qrl cup and nsw cup clubs. make 17 reserve grade sides and you’ve still got the current players available for 9 second tier clubs, then add in some new clubs in new areas. A proper second tier comp gives players that will never make nrl an opportunity to still earn a reasonable wage playing rl. Theres an argument the current 12 nsw cup reserve grade structure prevents other regions being able to progress up to that level.

Qld Cup have what 14 clubs at the moment. What clubs are you including in your third division comp that nobody will watch (let’s be real that’s what it is) and who are you completely shafting.

Also you have highlighted the real problem which is the NSW Cup. The Queensland Cup works perfectly for what it is: keeps the identity of those former BRL sides and represents a significant portion of greater Queensland - you have teams from North Queensland and South Queensland. Compare that to NSW Cup which hardly represents anything outside of Sydney.

To me the obvious solution would be trying to make the NSW Cup more like the QLD Cup and have teams representing regional areas of NSW rather than trying to shoehorn a bad system on every club and wreck a system that works for QLD. It’s antithetical to logic

 

[Wb1234]

How do you think this decision would impact the Newtown Jets or the Mounties? Take Cronulla’s reserve grade players away from Newtown and force them to conjure up a reserve grade and where does that leave Newtown?

What about all the QRL sides who have clubs like the Burleigh Bears, Wynnum Manly, Norths Devils some of which have history exceeding Sydney NRL sides? Do you think a Brisbane Broncos or Gold Coast Titans reserve grade wouldn’t impact the QRL sides considering they are going to take talent from those sides? What is the QRL Cup then - a third division comp?

Lastly, after all of this, how many people are really going to make the effort to watch these games? Are they going to supersede the people already watching second grade games.

You can also create a proper second grade competition without having all the NRL sides field a second grade side, or create more content prior to a first grade match without doing this

Got no idea

maybe they will expand reserve grade dunno

but I’m sure the experts that decided this have more info than the people on this forum tbh

maybe people should just stop looking for imaginary negative things and let the leaders of the game try things to see what works and doesn’t