NRL's growth mindset points to 18th team. And it ain't Perth.

[siv]

Gus saying it didn’t produce good nrl players cause the defence was crap

probably one of gallops best moves bringing it in

plus all a few youth suicides which they felt under 20s put too much pressure on them being on tv

NYCs major problem was always the lack of National RG

It was seen as a failure if you didnt jump from NYC to NRL but did the normal progression of NYC to RG to NRL

As RG ala Qld & NSW Cup are played at park football locations

 

[Colk]

Got no idea

maybe they will expand reserve grade dunno

but I’m sure the experts that decided this have more info than the people on this forum tbh

maybe people should just stop looking for imaginary negative things and let the leaders of the game try things to see what works and doesn’t

I don’t have a problem with trying things if they aren’t working but is the Queensland Cup not working?

 

[Colk]

NYCs major problem was always the lack of National RG

It was seen as a failure if you didnt jump from NYC to NRL but did the normal progression of NYC to RG to NRL

As RG ala Qld & NSW Cup are played at park football locations

I don’t see how that makes any relevance

 

[Wb1234]

I don’t have a problem with trying things if they aren’t working but is the Queensland Cup not working?

Qld cup isn’t played as a curtain raiser for nrl games

that’s kinda the point of this

the qrl and nswrl comps exist due to politics not the good of rugby league they (both governing bodies) were supposed to be disbanded when the commission formed

the qrl aren’t fit to run a chook raffle

 

[Colk]

Qld cup isn’t played as a curtain raiser for nrl games

that’s kinda the point of this

I know what the point is, I’m saying that the point is irrelevant or means little against the negatives it would create. Like seriously where are the Bears, Newtown playing if this gets through - Ron Massey Cup?

It also doesn’t solve any of the problems it supposed to solve. The problem with attendances has a got lot more to do with scheduling and pricing than it does with whether or not there is a game before first grade.

The idea is essentially a bunch of blokes in their 50’s and 60’s trying to bring back the game day experience of the NSWRL because of nostalgia not realising the game has completely changed now.

Look if you really wanted to do something: keep all second grade clubs with their own identity (so not linked with a current first grade) so the QLD Cup doesn’t have to change much, expand the NSW Cup to include teams from Northern NSW, Riverina etc, some from Ron Massey cup maybe get one from Victoria with potential to expand to other interstate regions and split them into two divisions. Essentially work it like the Minor Leagues where you give areas that won’t ever have a first grade team the chance to see good competition with blokes from the periphery mixed in with blokes from that area.

If you want to do curtain raisers have a National (Under 21s) and a National (Under 19’s) competition proceeding it. Or have an expanded Women’s competition proceeding it.

 

[Wb1234]

I know what the point is, I’m saying that the point is irrelevant or means little against the negatives it would create. Like seriously where are the Bears, Newtown playing if this gets through - Ron Massey Cup?

It also doesn’t solve any of the problems it supposed to solve. The problem with attendances has a got lot more to do with scheduling and pricing than it does with whether or not there is a game before first grade.

The idea is essentially a bunch of blokes in their 50’s and 60’s trying to bring back the game day experience of the NSWRL because of nostalgia not realising the game has completely changed now.

Look if you really wanted to do something: keep all second grade clubs with their own identity (so not linked with a current first grade) so the QLD Cup doesn’t have to change much, expand the NSW Cup to include teams from Northern NSW, Riverina etc, some from Ron Massey cup maybe get one from Victoria with potential to expand to other interstate regions and split them into two divisions. Essentially work it like the Minor Leagues where you give areas that won’t ever have a first grade team the chance to see good competition with blokes from the periphery mixed in with blokes from that area.

If you want to do curtain raisers have a National (Under 21s) and a National (Under 19’s) competition proceeding it. Or have an expanded Women’s competition proceeding it.

If the qrl and nswrl died off it wouldn’t really bother me tbh

the nrl is spending a lot of money keeping these clubs alive when it’s nrl clubs that are growing the game

Brisbane will have enough nrl clubs soon enough it won’t need the qrl anynore same with nsw. These relics cost a lot of money

you know how much money the qrl and nswrl take each year ? Pretty sure much of the origin revenue goes to those bums

 

[Perth Red]

Qld Cup have what 14 clubs at the moment. What clubs are you including in your third division comp that nobody will watch (let’s be real that’s what it is) and who are you completely shafting.

Also you have highlighted the real problem which is the NSW Cup. The Queensland Cup works perfectly for what it is: keeps the identity of those former BRL sides and represents a significant portion of greater Queensland - you have teams from North Queensland and South Queensland. Compare that to NSW Cup which hardly represents anything outside of Sydney.

To me the obvious solution would be trying to make the NSW Cup more like the QLD Cup and have teams representing regional areas of NSW rather than trying to shoehorn a bad system on every club and wreck a system that works for QLD. It’s antithetical to logic

if the funds were there you could have a 20 team two conf competition so lets say 8 of the current strongest qrl clubs In the northern conference.
I’d watch it more than I’d watch the current two comps that are not legit as results depend on stacking of nrl reserve graders. If qrl clubs are only currently getting 500 fans to games then I’m sure we could get more for a genuine second division competition.

 

[Colk]

if the funds were there you could have a 20 team two conf competition so lets say 8 of the current strongest qrl clubs In the northern conference.
I’d watch it more than I’d watch the current two comps that are not legit as results depend on stacking of nrl reserve graders. If qrl clubs are only currently getting 500 fans to games then I’m sure we could get more for a genuine second division competition.

You would have to have two ten team conferences wouldn’t you? Why would you have a 8 team northern conference and a 12 team southern conference - that makes no sense.

This idea of making a competition below reserve grade is ridiculous in my opinion. Like I just don’t see where the interest is coming from.

Firstly there is the money involved (and yes I know you are going to make the point about TV deals but no I wouldn’t want it to be spent on a national third grade competition).

Secondly, the player pool which is linked in with the money. Because there is no money involved in this thing (even if the ARLC wanted to subsidise it because there would be very little revenue made) anybody with any ability, who is not picked up by a first grade squad (unless circumstances prevent them from doing so) is going to decide to play in England rather than stay here. In any case I’d prefer that to happen because the competition in England needs help more than we need a third grade competition.

Lastly, every second division competition you can think of has some sort of a link or interplay with the premier competition - either because they feed into the premier competition talent wise - like US minor leagues - or because there is a promotion and relegation system like soccer. Without either, particularly the former because the latter wouldn’t work in any case, I fail to see the point in it.

 

[siv]

Cause it would kill off any QRL side instantly. It would be f**king stupid to have Queensland State League replaced by 3 or 4 Reserve grade NRL teams

Not it wouldn't

Qld Cup would not blink if Qld club NRL players were not playing

The person who sits in the Wynnum chook pen would still go and watch no matter who plays

Lets remember that there are plenty of times in a Qld Cup season when the 3 or 4 NRL players dont even play today

 

[Colk]

Not it wouldn't

Qld Cup would not blink if Qld club NRL players were not playing

The person who sits in the Wynnum chook pen would still go and watch no matter who plays

Lets remember that there are plenty of times in a Qld Cup season when the 3 or 4 NRL players dont even play today

He’s right. It would be f****** stupid to do it. I’m sure if it was the other way around you wouldn’t be advocating this.

 

[Canard]

if the funds were there you could have a 20 team two conf competition so lets say 8 of the current strongest qrl clubs In the northern conference.
I’d watch it more than I’d watch the current two comps that are not legit as results depend on stacking of nrl reserve graders. If qrl clubs are only currently getting 500 fans to games then I’m sure we could get more for a genuine second division competition.

Yes, let's kill off 120 years of history and one of the biggest nurseries in Rugby League because @Perth Red said he would watch a plastic NRL clone.

Not it wouldn't

Qld Cup would not blink if Qld club NRL players were not playing

The person who sits in the Wynnum chook pen would still go and watch no matter who plays

Lets remember that there are plenty of times in a Qld Cup season when the 3 or 4 NRL players dont even play today

Your thinking purely of the impact of players only, what about media coverage, sponsorship, costs of operation etc.

This would kill off RL in QLD outside the NRL clubs. The regional clubs in particular would be ruined.

 

[siv]

I know what the point is, I’m saying that the point is irrelevant or means little against the negatives it would create. Like seriously where are the Bears, Newtown playing if this gets through - Ron Massey Cup?

It also doesn’t solve any of the problems it supposed to solve. The problem with attendances has a got lot more to do with scheduling and pricing than it does with whether or not there is a game before first grade.

The idea is essentially a bunch of blokes in their 50’s and 60’s trying to bring back the game day experience of the NSWRL because of nostalgia not realising the game has completely changed now.

Look if you really wanted to do something: keep all second grade clubs with their own identity (so not linked with a current first grade) so the QLD Cup doesn’t have to change much, expand the NSW Cup to include teams from Northern NSW, Riverina etc, some from Ron Massey cup maybe get one from Victoria with potential to expand to other interstate regions and split them into two divisions. Essentially work it like the Minor Leagues where you give areas that won’t ever have a first grade team the chance to see good competition with blokes from the periphery mixed in with blokes from that area.

If you want to do curtain raisers have a National (Under 21s) and a National (Under 19’s) competition proceeding it. Or have an expanded Women’s competition proceeding it.

We need to seperate our two league structures

1 - professional NRL clubs
2 - part time player clubs eg players who work & play on weekends

NRL today contracts 30 plus 6 players

Thats enough for two teams

So for these professional players you play NRL and National RG on game days simple

Qld Cup is uneffected. NSW Cup needs to be restructured as you said

Eg Newtown, Bears, Mounties, Wenty, Blacktown

Plus North Coast(Coffs), New England(Greater Northern), Western Div, Riverina(Wagga)

That 10 teams already. How you get the next 2 to 4 teams is easy maybe St Marys, Maitland, Perth and Adelaide

Where travel grants are issued to remote clubs

 

[siv]

Yes, let's kill off 120 years of history and one of the biggest nurseries in Rugby League because @Perth Red said he would watch a plastic NRL clone.



Your thinking purely of the impact of players only, what about media coverage, sponsorship, costs of operation etc.

This would kill off RL in QLD outside the NRL clubs. The regional clubs in particular would be ruined.

Its already gone from Fox & Ch9 replaced by NRLW

I have no regular Qld Cup coverage and can only see it on streaming services until we got to the GF day

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Is there a more selfish, dumb and narrow-minded group of sports fans on this planet than NSWRL fans who yearn for a return to the pre-1995 era?

They're willing to destroy RL in every district outside of the nine surviving Sydney-based NSWRL clubs playing in the NRL, just so they can revive an archaic system that isn't compatible with the professional era.

Bringing back three grades of football on the game day under the NRL clubs' banner won't generate extra revenue. It'll just weaken the game below NRL level and cost more money to run.

I suppose they'll also advocate for a return to the five metre rule, the marker being able to strike at the ball and contested scrums?

 

[MugaB]

Is there a more selfish, dumb and narrow-minded group of sports fans on this planet than NSWRL fans who yearn for a return to the pre-1995 era?

They're willing to destroy RL in every district outside of the nine surviving Sydney-based NSWRL clubs playing in the NRL, just so they can revive an archaic system that isn't compatible with the professional era.

Bringing back three grades of football on the game day under the NRL clubs' banner won't generate extra revenue. It'll just weaken the game below NRL level and cost more money to run.

I suppose they'll also advocate for a return to the five metre rule, the marker being able to strike at the ball and contested scrums?

Dribbling again

 

[Canard]

If the qrl and nswrl died off it wouldn’t really bother me tbh

the nrl is spending a lot of money keeping these clubs alive when it’s nrl clubs that are growing the game

Brisbane will have enough nrl clubs soon enough it won’t need the qrl anynore same with nsw. These relics cost a lot of money

you know how much money the qrl and nswrl take each year ? Pretty sure much of the origin revenue goes to those bums

If the entire player pathway for all of the NRL died off, it wouldn't bother you?

All that history and tradition thrown in the bin?

The exact opposite of your Bears arguement

 

[Canard]

Its already gone from Fox & Ch9 replaced by NRLW

I have no regular Qld Cup coverage and can only see it on streaming services until we got to the GF day

So f**k it, get rid of it then?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I know what the point is, I’m saying that the point is irrelevant or means little against the negatives it would create. Like seriously where are the Bears, Newtown playing if this gets through - Ron Massey Cup?

It also doesn’t solve any of the problems it supposed to solve. The problem with attendances has a got lot more to do with scheduling and pricing than it does with whether or not there is a game before first grade.

The idea is essentially a bunch of blokes in their 50’s and 60’s trying to bring back the game day experience of the NSWRL because of nostalgia not realising the game has completely changed now.

Look if you really wanted to do something: keep all second grade clubs with their own identity (so not linked with a current first grade) so the QLD Cup doesn’t have to change much, expand the NSW Cup to include teams from Northern NSW, Riverina etc, some from Ron Massey cup maybe get one from Victoria with potential to expand to other interstate regions and split them into two divisions. Essentially work it like the Minor Leagues where you give areas that won’t ever have a first grade team the chance to see good competition with blokes from the periphery mixed in with blokes from that area.

If you want to do curtain raisers have a National (Under 21s) and a National (Under 19’s) competition proceeding it. Or have an expanded Women’s competition proceeding it.

Clubs like Wentworthville would also be f**ked under the system proposed by V'landys and his braindead disciples. It would splinter rugby league in Sydney as the regions like North Sydney, Newtown and Wentworthville would no longer be represented at any significant level.

The best option is to dissolve the NSW Cup and merge its existing clubs into the Queensland Cup, then rebrand it as National Rugby League 1. That way the old NSWRL competition will be the top tier and the old BRL will be second tier, like it was in the old days, albeit in nationalised formats. That should keep the NSWRL and QRL happy and relevant.

 

[Colk]

We need to seperate our two league structures

1 - professional NRL clubs
2 - part time player clubs eg players who work & play on weekends

NRL today contracts 30 plus 6 players

Thats enough for two teams

So for these professional players you play NRL and National RG on game days simple

Qld Cup is uneffected. NSW Cup needs to be restructured as you said

Eg Newtown, Bears, Mounties, Wenty, Blacktown

Plus North Coast(Coffs), New England(Greater Northern), Western Div, Riverina(Wagga)

That 10 teams already. How you get the next 2 to 4 teams is easy maybe St Marys, Maitland, Perth and Adelaide

Where travel grants are issued to remote clubs

Exactly, that’s enough for two teams.

Why create a third?

The QLD Cup is fine. It does what it is meant to do: it gives players outside the system a chance to grab a contract because they are playing against fringe first graders - there is already a few in the Dolphins squad for example as well as in other squads, keeps the identity and history of the clubs in Queensland intact, as well as giving every area a chance to watch a quality competition and provide a link to the NRL.

If you wanted to compare the two competitions, it is clear to me that the NSW Cup is the more ineffectual competition. The NSW Cup has no representation outside of Sydney for example (other than Canberra and Newcastle second grade sides) thus no real link to rural or regional NSW.

If you wanted to put forth a second grade competition why would you use the NSW Cup as a model instead of the QLD Cup?

 

[Wb1234]

If the entire player pathway for all of the NRL died off, it wouldn't bother you?

All that history and tradition thrown in the bin?

The exact opposite of your Bears arguement

Nrl clubs do it

bears will be in nrl soon anyway

I don’t think the jets have much value these days