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[WestyLife]

Was there an actual official MOM for Game 2 or only an official player of the series.

Player of the series is after game 3. Cleary was MOTM for game 2.

 

[Kilkenny]

Player of the series is after game 3. Cleary was MOTM for game 2.

So Nathan officially MOM. That’s great. Still no try assists though? I’ve read a few posts he didn’t get credited with any which seems a bit strange.

 

[murraymob]

Looks like Cleary charged with contrary conduct .A fine of 700 but free to play.
I might start a go fund me page for Nath with his tic tic fines and now poor fella might have to wash his dads car for a few dollars

 

[WestyLife]

So Nathan officially MOM. That’s great. Still no try assists though? I’ve read a few posts he didn’t get credited with any which seems a bit strange.

NRL.com has him with 0 try assists but everyone agrees he earned that MOTM though.

 

[Kilkenny]

Just to clarify the issue around player’s being released early to go to other clubs.

It is my understanding, any agreement reached between two clubs can include top up payments for part or all of the remaining seasons the player in question was contracted to his original club.

There is no top up payments beyond the term the player was contracted to his original club? So as one simple example, if Josh Mansour was to sign a three year deal with the West Tigers from next season we may agree by negotiation to a pay a portion of his salary for 2021, contracted to us, but are not going to contribute to the additional two years where the West’s Tigers have chosen to give him.

 

[Kilkenny]

NRL.com has him with 0 try assists but everyone agrees he earned that MOTM though.

I had my beer and red wine goggles on and I was sure he did enough in at least one or two of our tries to get some credit for a try assist. Kinda makes a mockery of the stats, try assists situation? Any given player could make a clean line break, run 50 metres, draw the fullback pass to another player metres out from the line, who in turns passes the ball onto another player who falls over the line and scores and it is the player who passes last who gets the try assists and not necessarily the player who did all the work. Bizarre.

 

[WestyLife]

I had my beer and red wine goggles on and I was sure he did enough in at least one or two of our tries to get some credit for a try assist. Kinda makes a mockery of the stats, try assists situation? Any given player could make a clean line break, run 50 metres, draw the fullback pass to another player metres out from the line, who in turns passes the ball onto another player who falls over the line and scores and it is the player who passes last who gets the try assists and not necessarily the player who did all the work. Bizarre.

He got a line break assist and is still credited with doing the build up work for those tries from what I've seen of public discussion.

 

[Kilkenny]

He got a line break assist and is still credited with doing the build up work for those tries from what I've seen of public discussion.

Personally, I don’t rely on cold hard stats anyway so just watch a game and see what certain individuals do or don’t. The fact that he doesn’t get credit for try assists is no big deal to me but at the same time it should be not held against him if three SOO games down the track and the Blues get hammered and everyone jumps on the bandwagon quoting stats suggestions Nathan after 10 origins has no try assists. He’s been half back in two winning series, likely to be a third in a weeks time and hopefully that is what counts.

 

[Pomoz]

Where did I say he played bad? You guys can't read. Cleary isn't picked for the flashy stuff he is picked to put the ball in the right spot for those who are in the side to be flashy. Which he did because I think Tedesco had an awesome all round game.

I'd give him probably 7.5-8/10. For those saying I hate him. Tedesco was a 9 a few others higher then Cleary

Hahaha, very funny. Stop it you are killing me. The last pass for two tries, a line break, a 40/20, numerous kicks causing errors by the Qld wingers. Yep, it's got 7.5/8 written all over it.

The thing is, without the ability to keep Qld pinned down by kicking astutely and creating space by running at the line, NSW don't win the game. The field position he created through his kicking, was absolutely crucial to the outcome.

 

[franklin2323]

Hahaha, very funny. Stop it you are killing me. The last pass for two tries, a line break, a 40/20, numerous kicks causing errors by the Qld wingers. Yep, it's got 7.5/8 written all over it.

The thing is, without the ability to keep Qld pinned down by kicking astutely and creating space by running at the line, NSW don't win the game. The field position he created through his kicking, was absolutely crucial to the outcome.

Look at the time stamp.. on the post. Was before the 40/20 and the last kick in the corner certainly was an 8 after both those.

It is the chicken or the egg thing. Kicking game alone didn't pin them down the 600 odd extra running metres set up position for the kicking game to take over.

Take the 3 kicks that got repeat sets. They aren't repeat sets if Addo-Carr isn't so fast. Hence why some judges also gave Addo-Carr 8 /10

 

[franklin2323]

NRL.com has him with 0 try assists but everyone agrees he earned that MOTM though.

Capewell missing Walker led to the 1st try. Capewell makes the tackle no try so that one is reasonable. The 2 scrum moves were all on the attack so would have a try assist attached

 

[WestyLife]

Look at the time stamp.. on the post. Was before the 40/20 and the last kick in the corner certainly was an 8 after both those.

It is the chicken or the egg thing. Kicking game alone didn't pin them down the 600 odd extra running metres set up position for the kicking game to take over.

Take the 3 kicks that got repeat sets. They aren't repeat sets if Addo-Carr isn't so fast. Hence why some judges also gave Addo-Carr 8 /10

It's a symbiotic relationship between forwards and halves that is required for success. The pack becomes less fatigued with Cleary managing the game correctly allowing more impact and the extra impact from the pack allows Cleary to further control momentum.

 

[WestyLife]

Capewell missing Walker led to the 1st try. Capewell makes the tackle no try so that one is reasonable. The 2 scrum moves were all on the attack so would have a try assist attached

Yeah it makes sense why it's recorded that way. Just explaining the difference in public perception although it's the same stats.

 

[franklin2323]

It's a symbiotic relationship between forwards and halves that is required for success. The pack becomes less fatigued with Cleary managing the game correctly allowing more impact and the extra impact from the pack allows Cleary to further control momentum.

I get it but it is why I don't rate halfbacks. They need others to go well to look good

 

[WestyLife]

I get it but it is why I don't rate halfbacks. They need others to go well to look good

Yet 9 times out of 10 the team can't win without them.

 

[franklin2323]

Yet 9 times out of 10 the team can't win without them.

Most systems you could interchange the 7 in and out of the side. Take a prop or a FB out and the systems in place struggle in most cases

 

[WestyLife]

Most systems you could interchange the 7 in and out of the side. Take a prop or a FB out and the systems in place struggle in most cases

Do you think we have the season we did if Cleary is replaced by Yeo or Capewell for example?

 

[franklin2323]

Do you think we have the season we did if Cleary is replaced by Yeo or Capewell for example?

You need someone that can kick and we don't have any one star player.

More look back at some sides to win the comp with average halves but had strike FB or 5/8's

Starts this year Hughes is a pretty average half but the rest of the spine good.

Canberra made last year GF with Sezar
2018 Cronk was a passenger with his shoulder

2016 the worst 7 in the comp Townsend won it

Ben Hunt played in a GF

Way back to Shane Perry at the Broncs

 

[BxTom]

Do you think we have the season we did if Cleary is replaced by Yeo or Capewell for example?

Of Course! Bring back Luke Walsh and Bryce I say!

 

[WestyLife]

You need someone that can kick and we don't have any one star player.

More look back at some sides to win the comp with average halves but had strike FB or 5/8's

Starts this year Hughes is a pretty average half but the rest of the spine good.

Canberra made last year GF with Sezar
2018 Cronk was a passenger with his shoulder

2016 the worst 7 in the comp Townsend won it

Ben Hunt played in a GF

Way back to Shane Perry at the Broncs

Not what I asked BUT you are still admitting you need at least one half and a good fullback. Most people will tell you hunt had a ridiculously good 2015 up until the golden point in the GF.

Also Cronk was successful with a busted shoulder through his higher than average intelligence of the game and how to organise a team.