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Organised crime and drugs in sport investigation part II

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Parra

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I am not convinced there would be any ASADA investigation at all.

There certainly doesn't appear to be any state government investigations, despite the allegations of match fixing and organised crime suggesting that state laws have been broken.

Would any of this be more than a report sitting in a filing cabinet?
 
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Miller I don't agree. It's the political presence at the press conference that has sullied the whole thing, because it's allowed people to establish an erroneous link between a couple of dumbf**k politicians, the party they represent, and the process. It was an unnecessary presence, and a dumb political move in any event. It's encouraged people to see more into it than is actually there.

However the PC itself isn't an issue, it's holding or not would not have made any difference to media hysteria, rumours, or eventual outcomes.

It's like saying that a government announcement of a pending tsunami made the tsunami worse. It will be what it will be.

Are you saying it wouldn't make a Tsunami worse?

Strongly disagree. If they don't give any notice, there would be several Sydney clubs requiring relocation after the event and that would make many people very happy.
 

bottle

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I am not convinced there would be any ASADA investigation at all.

There certainly doesn't appear to be any state government investigations, despite the allegations of match fixing and organised crime suggesting that state laws have been broken.

Would any of this be more than a report sitting in a filing cabinet?

I don't follow, are you referring to the presser now?

The PC was called because an ASADA investigation had already been in place for the past 18 months or so wasn't it?

I don't think the presser kicked off any ASADA investigation. That investigation was based on info coming to them from the ACC I thought.
 

bottle

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Are you saying it wouldn't make a Tsunami worse?

Strongly disagree. If they don't give any notice, there would be several Sydney clubs requiring relocation after the event and that would make many people very happy.

Hahahaha.

NRL in Sydney would belong wholly to the West and Southwest. All those Tigers and Panthers players would be washed back to where they belong.
 

ek999

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My post got deleted before for not having a link.

Originally Posted by Parra
I am not convinced there would be any ASADA investigation at all.

There certainly doesn't appear to be any state government investigations, despite the allegations of match fixing and organised crime suggesting that state laws have been broken.

Would any of this be more than a report sitting in a filing cabinet?

FFS. Are you actually serious. ASADA has been investigating for 18 months and got the ACC involved from what they found. Here is a statement from ASADA

ASADA CEO Statement on ACC report into Organised Crime and Drugs in Sport


ASADA’s involvement started some 18 months ago when we were assessing intelligence about the use of peptides and hormones in sport.
Our intelligence identified possible criminal links regarding the distribution of these substances in sport.
As a result of these links we were keen to involve the Australian Crime Commission and support them through their investigation.
What the Australian Crime Commission’s report reveals is extremely disturbing.
It highlights threats to the integrity of sport and identifies the widespread use of peptides and hormones in some sports
Peptides and hormones are considered a new generation of substances and most are prohibited in sport.
In many instances, the substances are not yet approved for human use.
ASADA has commenced its formal investigation and we will investigate both athletes and support personnel.
I know many will want to know how long the investigation is going to take. This investigation is complex and wide-ranging.
Based on the report’s findings, ASADA will investigate many individuals, across a range of sports.
I cannot say how long it will take, but I can assure everyone that we will be taking the steps necessary to undertake a comprehensive and timely investigation.
As many are aware our legislation does not allow us to talk about an ongoing investigation. This ensures the privacy of any individual under investigation is protected.
I would like to put on record that the sports have committed to work with us wherever we see necessary, and are already engaged in that process.
We are urging anyone with information about doping in sport to come and talk to us. Every bit of information no matter how little could be a piece of a puzzle we need.
We started the ball rolling 18 months ago working with the Australian Crime Commission.
ASADA’s formal investigation is already underway.
Aurora Andruska PSM

http://asada.gov.au/media/organised_crime_and_drugs_in_sport.html

Statement issued on Feb 7
 

Parra

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Your skills would be suited to the fight club. You can get emotional, hurl insults and use emo-icons and you never need to have a point.
 

ek999

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Parra. Facts have been presented to you showing that this has been a long running investigation and is quite serious. It is also obvious that even if 30 players get banned for 2 years you will claim it is a government conspiracy and arse covering
 

magpie4ever

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Your skills would be suited to the fight club. You can get emotional, hurl insults and use emo-icons and you never need to have a point.

Wish I could get you in the fight club.:lol: I will no longer attempt to converse with you, as it is just pointless.
 

bottle

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that's not correct

the ACC started after this http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/p...-data-report/illicit-drug-data-report-2010-11

it's mentioned in the report

So El D you're saying that the ACC report first, as per your link?
Then the ASADA investigation, as per ek's link?
Then the Presser follows?

Correct?

That was my understanding in the first place.

So that makes this -

Parra said:
I am not convinced there would be any ASADA investigation at all.

if it is based on a presumption that the presser instigated the ASADA investigation, complete nonsense.

The presser followed the start of investigations, it was not the precursor for them.
 

ek999

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Having had a look at El Diablo's link I think ACC and ASADA were doing seperate investigations and then decided to join forces with them.

As a result of these links we were keen to involve the Australian Crime Commission and support them through their investigation.

Either way ASADA have still been investigating this since late 2011
 
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El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/sport/how-secret-bombers-deal-came-unstuck-20130327-2guor.html

How secret Bombers deal came unstuck

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March 28, 2013

Roy Masters
Rugby League Columnist

A proposed deal between ASADA and Essendon whereby Bombers players would escape doping sanctions with zero penalty, while Cronulla players would be given a minimum six-month ban, was aborted following protests from lawyers acting for ASADA and Cronulla.

The very same day that ARLC chief executive, Dave Smith, learnt of a proposed preferential deal to his main competitor, he raised it with Prime Minister Julia Gillard at a pre-arranged meeting in Sydney. While Smith is now confident any discriminatory deals are off the table, the AFL can be expected to be frustrated that 45 players from one of its most prominent clubs may be suspended for the season.

Rumours of a secret deal have circulated since March 4, following a meeting in Sydney with representatives of the Sharks, ASADA and the NRL. Lawyers acting for Cronulla raised the question at the meeting whether Essendon players had been offered a lesser sanction.

ASADA counsel, John Marshall SC, denied such a deal would be possible but the following day provided advice to Cronulla's legal team, led by Trish Kavanagh, that this was not the case. He was so chagrined by the revelation of a possible zero sanction to Essendon he told Cronulla counsel he was withdrawing from representing ASADA, for whom he had acted for 20 years.

At the time 14 Cronulla players were considering their options, with 12 expected to accept guilt in the belief ASADA would propose a reduced six-month ban. Another two players were tipped to follow. But negotiations stalled as a result of the exposure of the Essendon deal.

Lawyers acting for the Sharks are furious because the settlement could have seen the players back on the field by September. Now, however, the players are acting individually with their own lawyers, ruling out any prompt, joint resolution. During the tense meeting, Marshall indicated it would not be possible for the two codes to be treated differently and ASADA officials present nodded accord.

The next morning, on March 5, Marshall revealed to counsel acting for Cronulla that he had been inadvertently misled and admitted there were preferred terms for Essendon. He said he had become aware of a letter to Essendon, and when Cronulla's counsel asked for it to be forwarded to them, Marshall did so. The letter, written in fluent legalese, made it clear that if the Essendon players met all of the qualifications asked, a zero sanction would apply.

But NRL players were told the standard two-year ban could be reduced to one year under a ‘‘no significant fault’’ defence and that this could be further discounted by six months if they provided ‘‘substantial assistance’’, including dobbing in teammates and football club officials.

It is not clear whether the substances used at both clubs are the same, giving rise to why the sanctions may have been different. However, the prospect of a difference forced Smith to raise it with the Prime Minister.

Eleven days later, as rumours circulated of Essendon’s proposed superior deal – prepared by a recently appointed ASADA lawyer – Fairfax Media met ASADA chief executive Aurora Andruska in Canberra. Andruska, who had not been present at the Sydney meeting, said both codes would be treated equally.

‘‘Whatever I do, I have the scrutiny of WADA,’’ she explained. ‘‘We put ourselves up as a world leader in the fight against drugs in sport. How would we look if WADA overturned our sanctions? It would be the worst thing for our international reputation. I have a document given to the AFL and the NRL. It is the same document.’’

Andruska also told the Herald the ‘‘no fault’’ defence could be sustained only during a medical procedure. ‘‘The only time a zero sanction has been given was when the athlete has been unconscious during surgery by a doctor,’’ she said.

Given reports that Essendon players were injected as many as 50 times, this defence would be difficult to sustain. Yet this was a possible outcome for Essendon players, according to the document provided by Cronulla’s lawyers. It was dated 12 days before the document was provided to Cronulla counsel on March 5. It begs the question why such a crucial deal, nearly two weeks old, was not revealed at the Sydney meeting, particularly when it was so forthcoming the following day.

Asked to explain the conflict, a spokesperson for ASADA, perhaps relying on the fact that ASADA cannot sanction anyone but merely make recommendations on penalty, said: ‘‘ASADA has not offered a zero sanction to any athlete or support person.’’ The Herald understands Essendon do not believe a zero sanction was ever an option, with a spokesman saying: ‘‘We have no comment.’’
 
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