OT: Tim Smith MOTM Performance for Wigan 1sts

[Bazal]

Fishy, do I have to say Mea Kulpa, Mea Kulpa. Mea Maxima Kulpa, and whip my back for daring to think that a bloke's public track record...i.e the known and published facts - suggests that he is an obvious dickhead, just because I have a friend who has pleaded NOT GUILTY to an alleged assault, and is still awaiting his day in court to defend it.

:lol: I take it you're also one of those stupid old farts who believes that mental disorders don't exist? The known and published facts, as you say, paint a picture of a young man struggling with a problem. Whether people agree with that gives him a modicum of sympathy or not is not the issue. You believe it makes him a dickhead, for what little that's worth. Well how's this? The known and published facts regarding your "exemplary" mate indicate that there is a good chance he is a drunk who beat on a woman. If Tim Smith is a dickhead, what is your mate? I'll answer for you...he's the lowest of the low...yet a kid who got on the drink and made a fool of himself but was never charged with anything is a "dickhead", while your mate is an "exemplary" kid despite being charged with an offence. The ACT courts don't do that unless there is a solid case, their lenience is renowned....

 

[TheParraboy]

I wonder if Pete caught anything

Could be having a nice flathead for dinner tonight

 

[Y2Eel]

The Parramatta Eels Holy Trinity.

God the father = Colonel;
God the Son = Suity
God the Holy Ghost = Fishy

Parra Pete = The DEVIL......

And there it is Pete needs to make himself out to be in the minority...Dont matter what the argument is Pete will always side against the majority..

 

[Raudonikis]

I wonder if Pete caught anything

Could be having a nice flathead for dinner tonight

He would have went for his arvo nap and dreamt of Tim winning the grand final for parra in 2011

 

[lingard]

And that's the point. He is not proven as yet. (Well neither is T Smith). And he could suffer from that 2nd year syndrome as well.

However, KK seems mentally tough and I think he can get through that.

T.Smith is not my first choice. A top quality half would be but if there is nothing around, I would risk with T Smith.

I don't think Mortimer/KK combo could really guide us to a premiership.

Fair enough. So for argument`s sake, what would you think about Keating at half, and we buy a five-eight. Why can`t K.K. be seen as a possible long-term half, as opposed to five-eight?

 

[parra pete]

I wonder if Pete caught anything

Could be having a nice flathead for dinner tonight

Actually caught a little cod, but had to throw it back..Just wasn't big enough. Kid from across the road caught a 50 pounder at my place last week. Bloody beauty it was too
No flat head down here..just pointy heads...:lol:
Yellowbelly and Murray Cod, and plenty of bloody European Carp.

 

[caylo]

Fair enough. So for argument`s sake, what would you think about Keating at half, and we buy a five-eight. Why can`t K.K. be seen as a possible long-term half, as opposed to five-eight?

We don't need a quality 5-8, we have Mateo. Unless we buy a halfback (quality) i think it is a waste to buy a 5-8. I would prefer we went out and replaced the backrow with a few quality signning with the liek of creigh and crocker (yes i know he isn't on the market, its an eg).

I think luring Jason Cayless back, I would not pay 400K for someon like Poore, so maybe chase Creigh hard and a few solid signning. Then when Cayless is off contract we can use his money to buy a quality front rower. I have no quarms with a halves pairing of Mateo and Keating, I actually thinks its better then Sutton and Sandow or Anasta and Pearce.

We also have someone like Mortimer who can be elevated as a non - dominating halfback or 5-8. I don't expect him to kill it in the NRL, but he just has to be solid with his kicking game and passing game, while Keating can make the big plays.

 

[yy_cheng]

I agree with Caylo.

Unless there is a quality half on offer, (I don't like the ox), I would bolster our forward pack first.

KK and Mateo could do a good job if the pack is making metres and they have space. I am not interested in the back 5. We should have enough talent there already.

We are probably missing a metre eating 2nd rower and another metre eating prop like Price, Cinno, Webcke type.

FFMM gives us the go forward, Caylo (if he can keep it up) can give us the passing before the line but when they are off the field, we suffer alot.

Creigh or Crocker like player should fill that 2nd rower spot nicely making metres out wide and defending strongly.


I would consider Tim Smith if he was CHEAP - i.e. Under $150K or Match Payments + Bonuses.

 

[caylo]

I agree with Caylo.

Unless there is a quality half on offer, (I don't like the ox), I would bolster our forward pack first.

KK and Mateo could do a good job if the pack is making metres and they have space. I am not interested in the back 5. We should have enough talent there already.

We are probably missing a metre eating 2nd rower and another metre eating prop like Price, Cinno, Webcke type.

FFMM gives us the go forward, Caylo (if he can keep it up) can give us the passing before the line but when they are off the field, we suffer alot.

Creigh or Crocker like player should fill that 2nd rower spot nicely making metres out wide and defending strongly.


I would consider Tim Smith if he was CHEAP - i.e. Under $150K or Match Payments + Bonuses.

Wouldn't pay more than 70K or match payments... he owes parramatta not the otherway around. I will take Timmy back, but he has been out of the game for about 2 years and struggled for a while in ESL. Make him earn his jersey.

Creigh my #1 target ( I would offer him 400), then Stuart, Shakelton and OMealy. If we can get alteast 2 of those guys I would look at signning tim. Tim best work is done inside the oppositions 20, if we are not there it is a waste of money. Mateo and Keating add alot of stabilty to the team, guys like Mortimer can do a job. We have speed in the backs, so our halves don't need to rely on kicks to score points. Forwards, forwards, forwards... thats all we need.

Mateo
Keating
Cayless
Keating
Stuart
Hindmarsh
Fuifui
Creigh

Mannah
Paulo
Hauraki
Horo

or

Keating
Smith
Cayless
Ketaing
Fui
Hindmarsh
Smith
Mateo

Mannah
Paulo
Hauraki
Horo

which do you prefer, because I definatly prefer the first team, while the second team losses all go forwards as soon as Cayless and Fui come off. Atleast with the first team, guys like creigh always go froward, Fui would spend more time on the field playing wider and running at halves. Mateo and Keating still both dangerous.

 

[parra pete]

And there it is Pete needs to make himself out to be in the minority...Dont matter what the argument is Pete will always side against the majority..

You have got that wrong....Surely I am not in the minority in saying Tim Smith is no value to a team...:shock:

 

[parra pete]

Anyone else read the news that Pete's other mate Carney got bashed by 4 rednecks outside Atherton Pub at 3am Sunday. Go home Todd you fool.

I have NEVEREVER claimed Todd Carney as a mate. Never. He is a dickhead of the highest order.
He was BOOTED out of the Raiders, as were Bugarelli, Irwin and Bronx Goodwin for off field incidents. Thurling is suspended by the Club. Joel has a nervous wait pending the outcome of his case. But irrespective of the outcome, he is a mate, and his dad is a mate. Nothing will change there..If that makes me a hypocrite, then I AM ONE.
Now all singalong......
"Who's that yonder dressed in black, must be the hypocrite turning back"
"Go tell it on the mountain...."
Todd Carney probably has broken his mother's heart on more than one occasion, as no doubt Tim Smith has to his mum, and I did to my poor old mum plenty of times. But mums still love ya, despite what everyone else thinks.
AND Bazal, I probably am an old fart - you probably think your dad is an old fart as well.
What is that Mark Twain saying, something along the lines of "When I was 17, I couldn't believe how stupid my father was, how little he knew of life. When I was 21, I was amazed at how much he had learned in four years".
I'm not University educated, I did not even do the Leaving Certificate. I left school in Fourth Year. My education has been in the school of life.
I ran a Hotel for 20 years (with a Motel for 10) and then the local newspaper here in town for 9. I've covered Court cases for the paper, and I have been behind the bar. I know dickheads when I see them. Dealt with them and reported on them. Some things never change. Mugs during the week, bigger mugs on weekends. Show offs.
Things are the dopey ones NEVER learn.
If me being able to spot a dick head makes me an old fart, then I plead guilty, YEP, I'm an old fart.
If having an opinion different to yours makes me an old fart, yep, I definitely am one.
Mea Kulpa, Mea Kulpa, Mea Maxima Kulpa.

 

[parra pete]

He would have went for his arvo nap and dreamt of Tim winning the grand final for parra in 2011

That's not a nap, that's a nightmare.....:lol:
"Never take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night"....
Old jungle saying....

Can't even have a lie in in the morning..bloody blood tests...The curse of getting old (or being an old fart)

One evening a family brings their frail, elderly father to a nursing home and leaves him, hoping he will be well cared for. The next morning, the nurses bathe him, feed him a tasty breakfast, and set him in a chair at a window overlooking a lovely flower garden.

He seems ok, but after a while he slowly starts to lean over sideways in his chair. Two attentive nurses immediately rush up to catch him and straighten him up. Again he seems OK, but after a while he starts to tilt to the other side. The nurses rush back and once more bring him back upright. This goes on all morning. Later the family arrives to see how the old bloke is adjusting to his new home. "So Pop, how is it here? Are they treating you all right?" they ask.

"It's pretty nice," he replies. "Except they won't let you fart."

 

[Bazal]

AND Bazal, I probably am an old fart - you probably think your dad is an old fart as well.
What is that Mark Twain saying, something along the lines of "When I was 17, I couldn't believe how stupid my father was, how little he knew of life. When I was 21, I was amazed at how much he had learned in four years".
I'm not University educated, I did not even do the Leaving Certificate. I left school in Fourth Year. My education has been in the school of life.
I ran a Hotel for 20 years (with a Motel for 10) and then the local newspaper here in town for 9. I've covered Court cases for the paper, and I have been behind the bar. I know dickheads when I see them. Dealt with them and reported on them. Some things never change. Mugs during the week, bigger mugs on weekends. Show offs.
Things are the dopey ones NEVER learn.
If me being able to spot a dick head makes me an old fart, then I plead guilty, YEP, I'm an old fart.
If having an opinion different to yours makes me an old fart, yep, I definitely am one.
Mea Kulpa, Mea Kulpa, Mea Maxima Kulpa.

Well, that rambling attempt to divert from the issue at hand was boring, inane and pointless...typical of everything you post, really :lol:

Tim Smith reportedly has a condition, and reportedly got drunk and made a fool of himself. He was not charged with an offence of any kind. You say he is a dickhead. Your mate reportedly got drunk, belted his missus, and has been charged with an offence. The ACT courts do not lay charges without a good chance of a conviction. You say he is "exemplary." The double standard (and your utter refusal to acknowledge it) is simply hilarious

 

[caylo]

Bazal, I don't like any sort of violence against women. If one of my mates hit his misses I dunno how I would act thou, I would definatly loss alot of respect for him but would I stick by him... that I am unsure of and Pete must do what he thinks is best and moral. For that I will admire he is not taking an easy option. Pete has said that if that means he has double standards so be it, so in a small way he has acknowlaged it. I simply have a problem with the idea of timmy being called a dickhead because I knew him personally at one stage and he is a great character. Timmy is definatley a clown type and joking type, but was always very helpful and considerate. Alcohol consumption does decrease inhibition and we all have done dumb things on the drink (fu*k you should see how the future doctors at the well establised sydney uni act). I will not judge him for that, just his performance on the field. I would not turn my back on signning him for the right price (less than 100K, prefer around 70k or match payments)

 

[Eelementary]

To play devil's advocate - maybe Thommo has a problem. Some people have been diagnosed with having way too much testosterone in their bodies; as a result, they are quick to anger and react violently.

Assuming he was in this case unbalanced in such a way, you could say he has a problem beyond his control and he reacted wrongly but understandably.

 

[Bazal]

To play devil's advocate - maybe Thommo has a problem. Some people have been diagnosed with having way too much testosterone in their bodies; as a result, they are quick to anger and react violently.

Assuming he was in this case unbalanced in such a way, you could say he has a problem beyond his control and he reacted wrongly but understandably.

Perhaps...but that's exactly as you've said; an assumption. There's no evidence in any of the "known and published facts" pete was going on about earlier to indicate he's anything more than a scumbag who got wasted and allegedly hit a woman...

 

[Eelementary]

Perhaps...but that's exactly as you've said; an assumption. There's no evidence in any of the "known and published facts" pete was going on about earlier to indicate he's anything more than a scumbag who got wasted and allegedly hit a woman...

Oh, I tend to agree. He's a thug.

But I was trying to draw a parallel - Timmy has a disorder (bi-polar or whatever it may be) and maybe Thommo does too. Now, obviously the parallels end there - Timmy never did anything illegal and Thommo has been charged with a crime.

But purely for the sake of understanding, it may explain his actions. Not accept them, but explain.

 

[FUIFUI_MOIMOI]

But it was the Warriors with the first points of the night on 6 minutes, a great pass from Tim Smith sent Skipper Sean O’Loughlin through a gap and he was able to out pace Shaun Briscoe to cross for the try. Pat Richards struck a simple goal to make it 6-0.

 

[parra pete]

To play devil's advocate - maybe Thommo has a problem. Some people have been diagnosed with having way too much testosterone in their bodies; as a result, they are quick to anger and react violently.

Assuming he was in this case unbalanced in such a way, you could say he has a problem beyond his control and he reacted wrongly but understandably.

No. Joel has no problem 'beyond his control'.
I am confident he will be exonerated when he has his day in Court. We'll just have to wait and see.
But as I have posted earlier, I will be sticking by Joel and his family, regardless of the outcome.
What he has been charged with is totally out of character.

 

[Bazal]

:lol: "It's not his go" hey pete? Pathetic...